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(@leraku-jigoni)
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Hey-o! how's everyone doing. This is my webcomic strip, Ell 'Lo Ell! Just so you guys know, i'm a little new, so suggestions may be appreciated!

due to lack of explanation (heh) I'm removing 1-4. They SUCK.
Ell 'Lo Ell #5: Someone New!
Ell 'Lo Ell 6: Idea-Thirsty
Ell 'Lo ell 7: The Beginning of a Saga
I'm planning on stopping this series... I'm going to be making another. Thanks for all your help, Swanson & Eggpire. I'm going to start over...

 
(@leraku-jigoni)
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You know, i'm wondering why don't have any replies yet... i want some input on what people think!

 
(@the-eggpire)
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Just how many replies did you expect in a hour?

 
(@leraku-jigoni)
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Just how many replies did you expect in a hour?

Well, i had tried this in another forum and was used to getting 4/5 replies within 30 minutes. Meh. But still, thanks for replying, what do you think of it so far?

 
(@the-eggpire)
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Well you'd be lucky to get 4/5 replies in one day on the mofo! I'm having a bit of trouble seeing some of your text (in the comics), as I have trouble seeing bright greens! Speech bubbles can go a long way!

 
(@leraku-jigoni)
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Well you'd be lucky to get 4/5 replies in one day on the mofo! I'm having a bit of trouble seeing some of your text (in the comics), as I have trouble seeing bright greens! Speech bubbles can go a long way!

O.K. I'm gonna be finding something that may work, but how would i know if the speech bubbles would be JUST the right size for the text?

 
(@swanson)
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Okay, I'll reply, but you might not like it. My honest opinion is that these comics are not too good, not to make you feel bad or anything, I'm sure you put tons of work into them but they're just not funny. Here's a couple things that could help.

1.) Like Eggpire said, use word balloons, that helps to make it look like an actual comic. Also, to make them the right size, just put them over the text, that usually works if I'm remembering correctly. You may have to copy and paste the text if you're using Paint.

2.) You seem to have a problem with resizing sprites and such, I'm going to go ahead and guess that you're using Paint, that isn't a good idea for a comic. Something like Photoshop would make your comic look 10x better.

3.) While a Bionicles comic is a pretty original idea, it's not wise to base a comic off a series that doesn't have a ton of sprites. You could do a Mario comic or a Final Fantasy comic, or a mix, whatever you prefer. If you're looking for sprites check out spriters-resource.com or tsgk.captainn.net (The Shyguy Kingdom) they have tons of sprites for you to use.

4.) Recolors (taking a sprite sheet and coloring it a different color) tend to be frowned upon, mainly because they never look good (your's is actually pretty well done.) My suggestion is that if you can't make your own sprites, don't. Just use the sprites that you can find but never EVER recolor, the only exception would be if you're making a parody character like Speed the Porcupine.

There's tons of other stuff I can say, but I've probably offended you enough already, these are really only the technical problems, fix these up and your comics will look much better.

 
(@leraku-jigoni)
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Okay, I'll reply, but you might not like it. My honest opinion is that these comics are not too good, not to make you feel bad or anything, I'm sure you put tons of work into them but they're just not funny. Here's a couple things that could help.

1.) Like Eggpire said, use word balloons, that helps to make it look like an actual comic. Also, to make them the right size, just put them over the text, that usually works if I'm remembering correctly. You may have to copy and paste the text if you're using Paint.

2.) You seem to have a problem with resizing sprites and such, I'm going to go ahead and guess that you're using Paint, that isn't a good idea for a comic. Something like Photoshop would make your comic look 10x better.

3.) While a Bionicles comic is a pretty original idea, it's not wise to base a comic off a series that doesn't have a ton of sprites. You could do a Mario comic or a Final Fantasy comic, or a mix, whatever you prefer. If you're looking for sprites check out spriters-resource.com or tsgk.captainn.net (The Shyguy Kingdom) they have tons of sprites for you to use.

4.) Recolors (taking a sprite sheet and coloring it a different color) tend to be frowned upon, mainly because they never look good (your's is actually pretty well done.) My suggestion is that if you can't make your own sprites, don't. Just use the sprites that you can find but never EVER recolor, the only exception would be if you're making a parody character like Speed the Porcupine.

There's tons of other stuff I can say, but I've probably offended you enough already, these are really only the technical problems, fix these up and your comics will look much better.

Oh, it's fine. Thanks for the Photoshop idea, i'm going to try it out. And with the bionicle... That's my fault. I was trying it on a bionicle forum, and i had to add it in or else i would have been moved to where no one would see it... Ignore comics 1 through 3. To be honest, i totally suck at makin sprites. But i really put a lot of work into recoloring. But there are a few things that you would NOT see in the normal sprites i got mine from! Such as:
My own personal sword moves.
Variations of teleporting, speed, and the Raging Demon
Guns
And other misc. poses. One of them being a dropkick, and a splitkick, like in my avatar. Thanks for the feedback, and i wasn't offended. However i'm just starting, and for starters... Comic's don't always have to be funny. What about combat plots? Plots in general! Ect.

 
(@swanson)
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I understand, and honestly, being funny is the last thing you have to worry about, for now it's all about getting the art of spriting down. My suggestion is once you get Photoshop just spend some time experimenting. Once you get a handle on the software you'll be able to do all sorts of awesome effects.

 
(@leraku-jigoni)
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I understand, and honestly, being funny is the last thing you have to worry about, for now it's all about getting the art of spriting down. My suggestion is once you get Photoshop just spend some time experimenting. Once you get a handle on the software you'll be able to do all sorts of awesome effects.

Let me tell you, i have a history in spriting. I know how to do it quite well, however i'm constantly searching for ideas and ways to improve. However i came up with a solution to start out the basics in Paint, then touch it up to a reasonable perfection till i can handle it a little better.

 
(@the-eggpire)
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Good luck! I look to see improvements! Also one last thing that I touched on before. Try to use darker colors for text! It will help out tremendously!

 
(@leraku-jigoni)
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Good luck! I look to see improvements! Also one last thing that I touched on before. Try to use darker colors for text! It will help out tremendously!

Already been taken care of @ Elloell 7. Check out the word boxes. And i need help, i need people to participate. I already have one person in mind, but i can't wait for more!

 
(@the-eggpire)
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Much improved, with regards to the spriting. The textboxes are a leap forward, but they could use a little work. Drawing lines from the box to show who's speaking is generally unattractive. The text bubble works just fine ( first pannel #7). You should try and stick with those. What do you need help doing?

 
(@swanson)
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A vast improvement between 6 and 7, I look forward to more!

 
(@silvershadow)
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First of all, welcome to the Forum! Nice to see a new face around here. Please make sure to acquaint yourself with the rules, linked on the main page of the forum.

Secondly, on to the topic at hand here, the comic.

I'm gonna be brutally honest.

This thing kinda sucks.

There's been hardly any exposition of the plot so far, assuming there even is one. So far it seems like there isn't - instead, all we've had thus far is a character in some location, activating some device and making another character appear out of nowhere.
And then with no explanation or sense of continuity from the previous comic either, we cut to the same guy on the roof of some building, with another character turning up whose company was apparently requested by the first guy. And then reference is made to a previous invasion of robots, and now the same thing seems to be happening, or something.

I'm left with a jarring feeling of confusion regarding how all these things are intermingled, what the heck is going on, and also why I should even care.

On the plus side, you've taken criticisms on board well. The most recent comic is way more readable than the previous two - but, and it's a big but - there are so many graphics programs freely available with Photoshop-like functionality that really the kind of sloppiness of design on display in these has no excuse.
The panels are misaligned, the speech clouds are solid white with mouse-drawn lines to them, and there's a jarringly noticeable rift in quality between the background used for the first seven panels and that used in the last one.

It seems to me that you've run headlong into this without much, if any, forward planning whatsoever - and it shows. Before even opening up graphics to mess around with, you have to have some idea of plot, storyline, setting etcetera. Writing out scripts in advance is a very good idea, as is deciding what's to occur story-wise overall beforehand.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to shoot down your efforts - far from it in fact. Rather, I'm alerting you to what needs worked on if you want to captivate a readership and keep them. A little effort will go a really long way, especially with something like this.

 
(@leraku-jigoni)
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I know, i know.. i was trying new sprites for that one guy, i shouldn't have chosen them. Anyway, i forgot a ton of things like that and ETC...
I'm planning in putting in something that explains what happened

 
(@swanson)
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While what SS said is true, what you should focus on is getting the technical aspects down, a suggestion is to make a note somewhere in the original post that these are experimental comics, use this original series as a experiment for feedback and such and once you feel ready start over with an actual plot and all that good stuff. Did that make sense, I'm half awake while typing this?

 
(@silvershadow)
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Thread closed as per OP's request.

 
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