**tilts head to one side** I'm sorry... what?

**tilts head to one side** I'm sorry... what?

My sentiments exactly. Also, I would like to bring to your attention some offensive behaviour that Stair displayed toward me in the Yuku Chatroom a few days ago. Check out this screenshot:

Stair is a hypocrite. He thinks that he's being flamed when someone merely calls him 'stupid or obnoxious' (like Peaches did), yet apparently accusing me of being a rapist isn't flaming at all. I am NOT a rapist and I NEVER will be. EVER. I DEEPLY HATE the act of rape.
A couple of weeks ago, my cousin was driving in her car to her house. Shortly before she had arrived at her house, she was accosted by a young woman. She was VERY distressed and in tears. She pleaded with my cousin to let her into her car, because she told her that she had been raped. She was being followed by a man from the train station she was at into a nearby swamp, where she claimed to have been physically attacked and raped by this intimidating man. She, however, luckily managed to run to a safe distance away from him and hid from him until he appeared to be out of sight. Then she eventually ended up in my cousin's car. Within a few minutes, my cousin and the young female victim had arrived at my cousin's home and called the police. Some police officers eventually arrived at her house and interviewed both the young female victim and my cousin for at least 2 hours. The victim stated that she was a Japanese exchange student who lived in the house of her host family. She pressed charges against her attacker and was then safely driven back to her host family's home in a police car. This is a true account of a true event.
Enough is enough, Stair. So, you like to insult people huh? Whatever floats your boat, man. But rape..... rape isn't a joking matter. You made a SERIOUS accusation against me which is COMPLETELY and UTTERLY UNTRUE. You even had the audacity to claim that you had some so-called 'proof' to support your BASELESS accusation against me, which you unsurprisingly never showed.
Here is my second and final screenshot I would like to show you:

This is a screenshot of Stair presumably telling me that I suck. He PMed me to tell me this, even though such a reaction from him was COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED. I never even typed a SINGLE word to him when I was in the Yuku Chatroom on that particular day. I was simply minding my own business and trying to complete an assignment I had to get done. I chose not to retaliate against him like he probably wanted me to, deciding to bring this issue to your attention instead.
I appreciate the time you have taken to read this, SA.

Words escape me. **facedesk**

Well, gosh. I guess there are just some rude people on the forums afterall.

hey, sa, have you ever considered actually moderating something? i mean, you've had the title of "moderator" since before i joined this place, so you might want to consider living up to it instead of just shaking your head whenever stuff like this happens. just a suggestion.

Now then. It is my opinion that implying that a person is either "stupid" or "obnoxious" could pass as flaming. However, to be fair...just about everyone I know would agree that you tend to act pretty obnoxious, so I don't know that that word was exactly unprovoked. I know that whether it was provoked or not has not really mattered in past decisions (I speak from experience), but it's something you might want to consider. Furthermore, I get this feeling that you're overestimating the importance of all of these incidences simply to induce staff action against people you don't particularly care for. In fact, I think you know that they don't really matter, but you post them anyway just to see whether or not the staff really cares about consistency anymore. While I understand that sentiment, some things should simply be left up to you, not the staff. If someone calls you a name or says a naughty word or two, take it up with them before tattling to the EVC.

Rishi, while I understand why you don't consider rape to be funny in any circumstance, please try to use your head. I doubt stair was seriously intending to flame you, and I don't think anyone here, including stair, really thinks you're a rapist. He was joking the same way he always does; it's his nature to mess with people like that. You took him way too seriously, and you'll realize that if you come to know him long enough. As for the "YOU SUCJK", I suggest you ignore that kind of silliness unless he regularly harasses you in PM. If that happens, you can use the ignore or block feature (I believe Yukuchat has one), or you can take it up with staff, who will probably treat it more seriously than they would a one-liner.

TLDR: serious business. Some issues are small enough that you should try to work them out yourselves before taking it to staff, as it's apparent that most of them don't really know or care what to do with them. Try being more mature.

Stair: You have an official warning from me for flaming, as well as for at least three instances of uncensored swearing while I was in the chat. Calling someone a rapist is not appropriate. Telling someone they suck in PM - even if it's misspelled - is not appropriate. Further action may be taken against you as deemed necessary by the staff. Also, Arikyrenne did attempt to quell the dispute, and therefore was doing her job. And based on the logs that Ari sent to me (her doing her job again), you provoked Darklordpeaches, not excusing him but stating he didn't flame you out of nowhere.

Darklordpeaches: I am giving you only a verbal warning - not an official warning - for your behavior, since this appears to be the first time you have stepped out of line. No matter what Stair says, you can choose to avoid reacting to him. If the option is available, put him on ignore in the future.

Rishi: I appreciate your frustration and that you came to post this in this thread. But I feel that I should advise you to try not to get too carried away in your emotions if something should happen like this again. You know you aren't a rapist (and who does like being called one?), so you don't need to give Stair the satisfaction of knowing he bothered you with that accusation. Deckman does have good advice regarding Stair's character to take into consideration. Thank you for reporting this.

Bottom line: Regardless of whether someone is joking or trying to yank a chain, that is no excuse for causing enough disruption to normal chat activities that it results in silliness like this. And rules are rules regardless of the attitude or character in which they are kept or broken.

I would like to apologize for stepping out of line. I try to keep my cool, but I have what many people refer to as an "Irish Temper" or "a short fuse". Sometimes, I just can't control myself and things do get out of hand.

hey, sa, have you ever considered actually moderating something? i mean, you've had the title of "moderator" since before i joined this place, so you might want to consider living up to it instead of just shaking your head whenever stuff like this happens. just a suggestion.

I figured other mods who'd find this would take care of it. I don't log on here much, you see. I have a life and I forget to check this place a lot, so I don't mod much at all. Always been like that.

I would like to apologize for stepping out of line. I try to keep my cool, but I have what many people refer to as an "Irish Temper" or "a short
fuse". Sometimes, I just can't control myself and things do get out of hand.

Well sir, you might want to learn how to exercise a little self control, or else a banning will be in your future.

I already have self control. Sometimes I just have a lot of things going on in my life and the stress gets to me.

Don't worry SA. If you did mod a lot he'd just say you were abusing your powers. So you're screwed either way.

~Tobe

my dears, i never said anything about modding "a lot". there are very few things on this forum that i care about anymore, the least of which being how often you show up here. all i suggested was that, if you're going to go through the trouble of posting in a thread like this where at least one person has been seriously offended, why not try to settle the dispute as well? why not answer an innocent newbie's question before yelling at him and locking his topic? accusations of power abuse are stair's bag now; i can't even remember the last time i said something like that.

...forget it. i don't even know why i bothered; i'll just drop it.

Thats a rather silly thing to say, Deck. I've been called much worse than that but a good number of people on this board. It's pretty obvious from Stair's past behavior that this is some kind of "stupid or obnoxious" stunt, to what end I do not know.

And I agree, I'm not exactly sure why you felt the need to bring that up.

~Tobe

Just to point out. Kio goes around saying "I heard (Blank) was a (Blank)" Usually in this case it is rapist. So Rishi if I recall kiorein initated the rapist accusation, I find it biased that you mainly jump on me. Also I only intended it jest( Yes I realize that still counts as flaming) but you could of just brought it up and I would not of called you a rapist again as I am not that much of an ass. Also I am upset that terg implies I get some satisfaction from this.

But if you agree with Deckman that means you agree that telling the truth is not flaming. Therefore Kio should not be punished for providing a true statement about Sx's character. Maybe for his method of delivery but not for the message itself. Otherwise Peaches has to be punished because of the precedent you set when you banned kio from flashchat.

Wow I must say some VICIOUS, HARSH things have really been brought up in this thread. ESPECIALLY BY STAIR.

DAMN I can't believe he called you "Stupid or obnoxious" that's the most BRUTAL FLAME I've ever heard.

...Rishi I hope you're joking. Cause to sit here and try to say something like this against stair in a public forum where people can try him for real forum punishment is a little odd. It's an obvious joke. We joke around like that. If it bothers you, say something about it. It wasn't a serious claim and never will be.

Also stair you're mistaken. My normal quote is "Hey I heard Rishi only has one arm"

Well this time you said he was a rapist. Anyways according to the staff at this point it isn't a flame since I am actually "Stupid And Obnoxious". That means calling matthayter "Unarticulate" Is not a flame correct.

I already explained my reasons for giving my warnings as I did. Please read my post again; if you have trouble understanding my reasoning as put forth, I'm willing to try to explain it differently. However, I am not retracting my decision unless compelling evidence is presented. I have not seen any of that so far.

Kio, I appreciate your interest in the topic, but I'd appreciate it more if you didn't have such a sarcastic tone. It doesn't contribute to the thread in a meaningful way.

Just one last question. Is the role of the staff to protect members from more malicous ones? Or is it to prevent disputes that drive important members away?

I think that I am going to have to bring up the fact the staff may have a bias against me, specifically tergonaut.

The role of the staff is to prevent and/or resolve disputes between members so that everyone can get back to enjoying the forum. If someone does something that breaks a rule, the staff's job is to enforce that rule to the best of their ability and knowledge.

What rules do the staff follow besides the ones the members follow?

Wait uh

Stair says he's banned from yuku chat

If he's not I say we all just drop it

Stair: We follow the same rules, except that we are granted the ability to enforce the rules when others refuse to keep them. Otherwise there is no difference.

Kio: Stair is indeed banned from the Chat after the staff has discussed the issue. If you'll recall I did say further action might be taken after the staff had reviewed the situation.

so you have no regulaitions on how you may enforce the situation?

Yes, we do have regulations of sorts. However, if I may counter-question here, why are you so interested?

I am wondering why the public does not know this information.

Because it isn't necessary for it to be public? Moderators for the most part will watch each other for error, so do not worry, it is not like anyone is running amuck with no checks or balances in place.

If you feel someone has used their authority in a way not appropriate, and have evidence of it, then you merely need to do as you have done and present a case here. However, such a case should be serious and not done merely because you don't like a particular staff member.

Well it's not like telling us these rules will cause harm. It'll be easier to spot abuse this way anyways.

I would like to report Squishie making homo-erotic advances on me four years ago.

Sorry, just kidding. Don't ban me.
Anyway, I think we should all just get along!

this is absurd

all of it

I think everyone in this thread (excluding Deckman) is just being silly. You're all putting up a big fuss over what is essentially nothing. If you're just "Following the moderator rules", honestly, I think the moderators need some better rules. He was joking about somebody being a rapist, which is something we do often amongst each other.
(MSN Chat)
"Kiorein says:
RAPIST
Pregga Zexas says:
JUST BECAUSE I RAPE ALL THE TIME
Pregga Zexas says:
does not make me a RAPIST
Kiorein says:
lol"
I do understand that there might be a personal problem, but in all seriousness this kind of thing is not to be resolved by moderators. If somebody were to say "HEY KIO I HAVE PROOF THAT YOU'RE A RAPIST" I'd actually be pretty amused. I do realize that people don't like that kind of humor in some cases, but completely outlawing it because of the chance of somebody disliking it is a bit overboard, don't you think? It's on a person-to-person basis, not a general rule. If somebody were to openly call me a rapist (in jest or not) I wouldn't have any problem with it. Honestly taking something like this to the EVC is, well I've gotta say it's the opposite of logical. Stair was right there. I understand that you may not have wanted to flame him but a simple "Hey, that's not cool, cut it out." surely would have sufficed instead of coming here and making this long post about why what stair did was just so horrible. It's practically tattle taling. Instead of figuring out a real solution to a problem you're having you go running to the EVC and attempt to get stair banned. I hate that kind of thing. This entire event should not have reached the EVC. Ever. No moderator should have had to deal with this at any point. It didn't get out of hand and there was not even any real discussion between the two parties. We just witnessed people running off into the EVC to tell on each other. I'M LOOKING AT YOU STAIR.

stair it's clear you weren't offended by peaches and was just posting to get moderator attention and possibly cause them to bring action against peaches. That's absurd. He didn't flame you. If that's a flame then damn, go ahead and ban me right now for flaming everyone who I've ever talked to. Same goes for the rapist comment.

What Kio said. This should never have gone to EVC. However for the record it was Stair that started this topic, so he's just as guilty of blowing things out of proportion as Rishi. Someone says something that offends you? You don't run straight to the EVC yelling "Miiiiiisssss! So-and-so called me a mean thing!" First things first you try and resolve it with the other guy. You say, "Hey dude, that ain't cool. Could you cut it out please?" If they carry on like that, you still don't take it to EVC, you PM the nearest mod and they'll try and resolve the situation. The MoFo's best kept secret: mods are primarily there as arbitrators rather than enforcers. Their first goal is to resolve situations rather than dropping the banhammer at the slightest provocation. To be fair to Stair he did do this step, but he screwed up when he pretty much ignored the mod in question's advice. Protip Stair, "please don't start anything" does not mean immediately report the offending party to EVC, it means just drop it and get on with your life. Same goes for the other guy. If he carries on after repeated requests to stop, then frankly any mod present should've done something by now but if that isn't the case for whatever reason (i.e. no mod around), then you can take to EVC, with full evidence of continued abuse.

Honestly, IMO when it comes to flaming and such the EVC should only be used for serious one-off events (which neither of the ones in this thread are) or long term cases of harassment. In either case, the more evidence the better and the more complete the evidence the better.

Also, regarding the "I'm joking" defense, it can still count as flaming if it seriously offends the other guy. I'm all for friendly ribbing, but make sure the guy on the receiving end is cool with it before you start. Not everyone has the same sense of humour. Yeah there are some people out there (not necessarily saying anyone in this thread) who could do with thicker skin, but there's no need to make an ass out of yourself about it. That's not the kind of community we are.

I'm not going to say anything else about any other issues raised in this thread. We've already made Kilimanjaro out of this molehill, let's not take it all the way to Everest.

So what rules do the mods follow?

Same ones as everyone else, Stair. Kindly take your personal brand of idiocy back into the SPA, where it belongs (albeit only just). You're already hovering dangerously close to being banned, stuff like this is not helping your case.

I'm going to lock this now.