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(@miss-puar)
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"Line Of Succession, Part 2"
Opens with "Ant" kissing his new bride, Princess Sally. She puts on a brave face, but her thoughts reveal how unhappy she is. "Ant" on the other hand is positively giddy (and why shouldn't he be, when he's *this* close to becoming King, bwa ha ha). Cut to Sonic, who is asking a cloaked figure for help. The prince says it's not his place to get involved and Sonic leaves. He runs into an elderly couple to ask for directions to the wedding. They tell him he just missed it, and that everyone is at the Banquet Hall having the reception. In a movie moment, Sonic bangs on the glass, calling out Sally's name. The guards won't let him inside (Commander D'Coolette's orders). Sonic begs Sally not to let them do this, but she says she has to support her husband's decisions, and orders Sonic to the dungeon herself. "Ant" excuses himself to attend a small manner (namely, giving the King a final dose of poison). Cloaked figure returns at this point, riding a stallion (I didn't know regular horses existed in Mobius...) Guards tell him only authorized personnel are permitted so he reveals his identity- it's Elias! He has Sonic freed from jail, who asks why the Prince had a change of heart. He says his wife convinced him that he should claim the crown in order to prevent a dangerous transference of power. Sonic says he can't imagine "Ant" being so disloyal (an awkward statement, I'm wondering if that speech ballon should have been Elias') and the two hed to the King's chambers. Elias knocks first (who does he think is gonna answer? His royal comatose-ness?) and then enters anyway, sees "Ant" hovering over the king's bedside and asks why the Commander isn't with his bride. "Ant" hides that needle quickly, claiming he was just being dutiful. Elias says he hopes he'll show him the same duty once he assumes the crown, "Antoine" smiles convincingly saying how surprised the Queen will be. Secretly, he's now moved Elias up to number one on his Hit List ("le king" can wait). He says he's going to rejoin the guests and asks Sonic and Elias to join him. Sally and Alicia discuss "Ant's" coronation, but Elias interjects asserting his right to the crown (in the real world, this is impossible because once you give up a birth-right you CANNOT get it back. But this is a comic, so that detail's unimportant...) Alicia reacts by telling Elias that his step-child (Alexis isn't his baby? Teh scandal!) will be ineligible for the throne. Sally asks her bro if he really wants to do this, and he accepts. Alicia pulls a sword out of nowhere, has her son kneel as if to be knighted, and hey presto! he's the new king in town! "Ant" for no discernable reason is thinking of killing Meg and Alexis too as Alicia crowns her son. Elias and Sally hug and "Ant" offers to shake his magesty's hand. Sonic spies the needle in his palm and pushes Elias out of harm's way. Sonic and "Ant" mix it up. During the fight, Sonic points out the needle, which "Ant" tries to bluff as being in Sonic's possession. Sonic FINALLY states that "Ant" is an imposter, (the real Twan wasn't a fighter much less a killer, and he didn't have a disfiguring scar). Sonic then pulls out the Zone-Link Generator from #150 (guess he took it with him) and prepares to undo the switch-e-roo. Cut to real Antoine sleeping in Anti-Mobius. Sonic wakes him up, and Twan can barely believe that he's finally going home but as Sonic points out they were overdue for a happy ending. True enough, as back on Mobius Prime Elias hand-delivers an annulment to his grateful sis. King Elias then advises Sal to spend time with the true love of her life. Speaking of Sonic, he's over at Bunnie's hut with good news of his own. He re-introduces Bun to her main squeeze (the scar-less Antoine) and the lovers share a fond embrace. Cut to castle where Sally is by her window, listening to Sonic and Fiona talk. Fiona is surprised that Bun accepted Ant so readily, but Sonic says she never stopped loving him (that time she kissed Sonic was only an attept to provoke 'Twan, and nothing else). Fiona is relieved to hear that and she and Sonic walk off together, while a crying Tails makes his one-and-only appearance this issue.
Note: since this recap ran so long, I'll summarize the back-story in a later entry.

 
(@neoremington373)
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I swear Elias (while it's nice to see him) returning is pretty darn cheap to prevent Sally from accepting her fate, but hey, at least Antoine and Bunnie seem happy the way you describled it. I'll give off my two cents some more when the issue comes to me.

Oh, and Miss Puar, I mean no offense, but next time you write a summary, can you try and use paragraphs? It just hurts the eye (and gets me easily confused and out of place)when reading one long paragraph crumbled together.
~Neo

 
(@lonewolf23)
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YAY!! WOO HOO! HEY NONNY NONNY! And many other exclamations of boundless joy!

The real Antoine's back and with Bunnie, and Sal's off the hook in terms of obligations to the throne!

I can't wait to see this issue..

 
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Sure Elias coming back was probably cheep and the story might have been done better, but I am glad things turned out the way it did because I never wanted this marriage in the first place. Plus, I have come not to expect too much from Archie. I am glad to see Elias back. Hopfully, Sonic and Sally can still solve their problems, that spilt them up, and come to a compromise so they can rebuild their relationship. Archie has to stop scaring us Sonic and Sally fans. Overall I am relieved, I was dreading this issue though Fiona may become a problem(I hope not).

To not make this post totally about Sonic and Sally's relationship, it sounds like King Max's condision has not changed. Since Sally is not becoming queen(at least for now), which I wasn't quite ready for, I don't think I mind what happens to him as long as the story is done well. What do you think will happen?

 
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Anything about the backup story?

 
(@charlesrocketboy)
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Sally's no longer in command of Knothole? Well, smeg. Now she gets to be boring. Whoopee.

 
(@rattrap2000)
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Yes I just knew Bunnie and Ant would get back together but not everything is back to the way it was cuz it sounds like Sonic is now going out with Fonia Fox for the time being witch leaves Sally and Tails without the one's they really love witch means that this love story crap will not be over intell Sonic and Sally as well as Tails and Fonia Fox are together witch means Tails will find a way to make himself a little older say about 17 and then comes up with a plan and tells Sally about it and she go's along with it witch lead's up to something that I've been wanting to see ever sense Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles and that is Super Sonic vs. Turbo Tails with a crying Sally and Fonia to watch lets just say Tails beats Sonic so bad that Sally go's to Sonic to care for him and Fonia see's Tails in a whole new way witch means Sonic will step down as the big/main hero but he will still be a hero but not the hero that he once was that job will belong to Tails soon. (Cuz I think that's one way to get Sonic to step down as the hero and back with Sally witch is kind of what she wants Sonic to do anyway!)

 
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it sounds like Sonic is now going out with Fonia Fox for the time being witch leaves Sally and Tails without the one's they really love


Good. Tails/Fiona? With that big age gap? Ewww.

And if we're lucky, Sonic/Fiona will result in Fiona getting a personality!

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Tails will find a way to make himself a little older say about 17


OH GOD NO. They tried that stomm with Amy, and it was dumb then. Not to mention that Sega will stomp it (and good for them!) because making Tails older than his game counterpart is a no-no.

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Super Sonic vs. Turbo Tails with a crying Sally and Fonia to watch lets just say Tails beats Sonic so bad that Sally go's to Sonic to care for him and Fonia see's Tails in a whole new way


Yeah, as a violent git who beats on his best friend to attract girls. Why should anyone want Tails doing this? I mean, he'd be a jerk. (And if this was STC-Sonic, he'd find a 2-by-4 and bludgeon Tails with it when his back's turned as retaliation)

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witch means Sonic will step down as the big/main hero but he will still be a hero but not the hero that he once was that job will belong to Tails soon.


What, just because Tails beat him up when chaos-charged? How's that going to make Sonic step down?

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(Cuz I think that's one way to get Sonic to step down as the hero and back with Sally witch is kind of what she wants Sonic to do anyway!)


Sonic is never going to step down as the hero. That's why Sally broke up with him. He could've gotten together with her again by stepping down at any time, and he didn't. Because he's Sonic, and stepping down from the good fight is something he doesn't see as an option.

 
(@rattrap2000)
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Let me put it this way then Charles 1. Do you really think Fonia would get get a personality if she was Sonic 's Girlfriend (I don't think so) let's just say she would have no personality plus with Sonic's track record with girl's Sonic I think would just end up dumping Fonia in 2 to 3 month tops anyway. 2. Knowing how Sega is they will do that anyway with Tails one day. (I really think they sould just do it now and get it over with!) 3. Sonic has a real big ego that needs to be busted just think if Tails busted Sonic's ego by beating some sense into his big blue head and almost all of the planet finds out about it they would laugh at Sonic as well as saying Sonic is nothing more then big looser and a big joke and that he will never be able beat Eggman as well as that he just had luck on his side the day he beat the first Robotnik and nothing more Sonic ego would never be the same again cuz of it and he would have no choice but to step down as a hero once and for all.

 
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Rattrap, your bit about Turbo-Tails beating up Sonic and he gets looked after Sally is not right but its on the right tracks.

Instead, who is more likely to beat up Sonic heavily? yep, Shadow.

So, Shadow comes back next issue (and he does) and gets into a fight with Sonic and Sonic gets badly Injured (Gun shot in the leg maybe?) and he get cared for by Sally.

Meanwhile, Tails shuts down all the Mecha Sonics and Fiona starts to 'like' him.

Sonic steps down and gets back together with Sally.

 
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with Sonic's track record with girl's Sonic I think would just end up dumping Fonia in 2 to 3 month tops anyway.


Ah yes, that track record with girls. The one that had him hitting on and off-on dating Sally for years (with unacted-on feelings for Mina for a brief point) and then, after they'd been seperated for some weeks, hitting on Fiona. That track record with girl's? The really small one?

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2. Knowing how Sega is they will do that anyway with Tails one day.


They won't.

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3. Sonic has a real big ego that needs to be busted just think if Tails busted Sonic's ego by beating some sense into his big blue head


"Beating up your best friend because he's dating a girl who has absolutely NO romantic interest in you whatsoever" does not equal "beating some sense". It equals "being a smeghead".

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almost all of the planet finds out about it they would laugh at Sonic as well as saying Sonic is nothing more then big looser and a big joke and that he will never be able beat Eggman


Yes, if that planet is Anti-Mobius where everyone is a complete jerk. On the real Mobius, they're not going to do that (OK, maybe Knuckles). They're certainly not going to say he'll never beat Robotnik when his track record proves he's been beating Robotnik for years. Not to mention that Sonic's lost fights before without everyone turning on him.

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Sonic ego would never be the same again cuz of it and he would have no choice but to step down as a hero once and for all.


Because we all know Sonic only fights evil because of his ego, and not because of any moral or ethical drive...

He didn't step down when Sally made it clear that she'd break up with him if he didn't; why do you think he's going to step down if people are laughing at him? That's not Sonic.

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Instead, who is more likely to beat up Sonic heavily? yep, Shadow.


The guy Sonic can match move-for-move?

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Sonic gets badly Injured (Gun shot in the leg maybe?) and he get cared for by Sally.


As opposed to Doctor Quack, who is an actual doctor with medical knowledge and everything.

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Meanwhile, Tails shuts down all the Mecha Sonics and Fiona starts to 'like' him.


Fiona starts to 'like' a ten-year-old? When she's... Ewwwwww. Can you say "statutory rape", boys and girls?

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Sonic steps down and gets back together with Sally.


If Sonic ever steps down, it's a clear sign as any that the comic has totally jumped the shark and has no idea how to write for Sonic. He's not going to step down because he lost one fight, and he's not going to step down to get back together with someone when they broke up because he refused to ever step down. That'd just be dumb.

You'd have to shoot Sonic in the spine in a way that permanently cripples his lower body if you wanted him to actually step down, and even then he'd likely do a Barbara Gordon and find some way to stick around. He's a very driven hedgehog.

 
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with Sonic's track record with girl's Sonic I think would just end up dumping Fonia in 2 to 3 month tops anyway.


Fiona will probably end up dumping Sonic

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The guy Sonic can match move-for-move?


Yeah but Sonic's cockiness can get in the way... and Shadow has a Gun.

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As opposed to Doctor Quack, who is an actual doctor with medical knowledge and everything.


Okay Doctor Quack looks after Sonic but Sally is by his side.

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You'd have to shoot Sonic in the spine in a way that permanently cripples his lower body if you wanted him to actually step down, and even then he'd likely do a Barbara Gordon and find some way to stick around. He's a very driven hedgehog.


hey he did in the Shadow the Hedgehog game

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Sonic steps down and gets back together with Sally.


Well he temporirly steps down because of his injury and it give Tails a chance to shine.

 
(@lonewolf23)
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Sally's no longer in command of Knothole? Well, smeg. Now she gets to be boring. Whoopee.


Nope, now she can get back to being a Freedom Fighter.

 
(@charlesrocketboy)
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and Shadow has a Gun.


And Sonic can dodge bullets easy.

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hey he did in the Shadow the Hedgehog game


In the game centered around a different character, yes. This, on the other hand, is Sonic's comic. Totally different situation.

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it give Tails a chance to shine.


Tails has had multiple chances to shine and he took them, shined and beat up bad guys. He's already one of Knothole's premier heroes.

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Nope, now she can get back to being a Freedom Fighter.


So now she's not only boring, but she's unimportant. Knothole has loads of freedom fighters and defenders these days, who were able to carry on fine without Sally. She was more important when she was running the place.

Also, Elias not only never wanted to be king, he didn't seem that great at ruling in the first place. So now instead of Sally, Knothole gets to be ruled by someone who doesn't want to be there and isn't good at it. They be screwed.

 
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I can think of LOADS of reasons how Shadow could shoot Sonic answers. oh and btw M shot Sonic in 133.

1) Suprise by shooting behind his back
2) Shadow aims where Sonic is going to be.
3) Get a Machine Gun and shoot everywhere.
4) Rocket Launcher, do I need to say more?
5) Paralyse him with a taser and shoot him.
6) Shoot him while hes sleeping.
7) Beat him up until he cant move then shoot him.

 
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1) Suprise by shooting behind his back


Possible.

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2) Shadow aims where Sonic is going to be.
3) Get a Machine Gun and shoot everywhere.


Also possible, but this is assuming Sonic doesn't decide the best defence is to hit Shadow and take his gun anyway. Which he can do.

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4) Rocket Launcher, do I need to say more?
5) Paralyse him with a taser and shoot him.


Both of which are weapons that Sonic can also dodge.

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6) Shoot him while hes sleeping.


Which requires Shadow getting right into the middle of Knothole and right into Sonic's bedroom without anyone noticing a thing.

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7) Beat him up until he cant move then shoot him.


Except Sonic can do as much damage to Shadow as Shadow can do to him. And if he's already beaten Sonic into immobility, why does he need to shoot him? He's already won! Unless of course he wants Sonic dead, in which case 6) and 7) will result in a very dead Sonic and there's not going to be any "Sally looks after Sonic" scenes resulting from that.

 
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AAAA TRYING NOT TO LOOK AT SPOILERS!

This is weird... I'm usually one of the first to get a subscription copy around here... but I haven't seen my issue yet...

 
(@miss-puar)
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Anything about the backup story?


I'm getting to that now. My apologies for the rushed paragraph-free recap of LoS Part 2 and abscense of Dulcy summary.
Price Of Flame, Part 2
Begins with Sonic in the upper-right corner getting the readers up to date. He says that "protected under the planet by distance and ancient magic, roboticized dragons have survived!" This is as good an explanation as any for why we have roboticization in a post-Tossed In Space comic.
The Mecha-Dragons have now launched an all-out attack on Vesuvius (the volcano) so that Robotnik can harness the vast energy resources. The Mechas are equipped with a laser that fires a rebotocization beam. One dragon is turned to metal before our eyes.
Cut to Dulcy waking up with a major headache. She hears the screams of her imperiled clan and remembers that the volcano is under seige. She sees a young dragon literally up against the wall, menaced by a Mecha. By body-slamming the intruder mid-air she defeats it and saves the child. He introduces himself as Sparky and asks the "stranger" (Dulcy) to add her flame to the defenders fire-wall. Before Dulcy can explain that she is unable to do that, Glint steps forward.
The elder does not want help from an outcast. Despite Sparky's protest, Glint has the "traitorous wench" chained to the walk via her nose ring. Glint leaves to help stave off the attack and orders Sparky to follow. The child reluctantly obeys.
Dulcy watches the battle from the sidelines until a defeated Mecha is knocked out of the ky and lands on top of her. It takes most of her strength to lift the enemy and toss it aside. In doing so, she somehow managed to yank her nose-ring out and her fire-breath is restored. Good thing too, as Dulcy's fire power secures victory for the dragons. Even Glint is cheering her on!
At the battle's end, Dulcy is saddened however because she knows the Mecha were once alive (at that one of them was her mother!) Glint tells her not to worry as a dragon's spirit is eternal. Their essence will be reborn in a new generation of dragons.
Not long after that, a meeting of the dragon council is formed. By a unanimous decision, Dulcy is pardoned for her trip to the surface, given back her singe ring, and is named "Ambassador To The Upperworld" much to her delight. The End.
Again, sorry for the delay. But I've also managed to put up some scans so I hope it's been worth the wait.

 
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....Okay. I just wrote a huge long post, and it got deleted because... I'm not particularly sure why. Let's just say, however, that I think that Shadow shooting Sonic in the leg would be unlikely, as Shadow would probably aim to kill (especially with a rocket launcher and a machine gun.) Also, I think Sally can still be interesting, because she held her own in the past, (even having her own mini series which involved her adventuring and kicking butt, from what I remember) before her "I've got to be queen and be all angsty and slap sonic in the face" phase (that's still going on now, apparently). Also, as long as Sally doesn't continue to be an angsty teenager, I don't care how bad a ruler Elias is (it could be interesting if he does a crappy job, as utter chaos would reign, and there would be something to focus on other than all the crazy-relationship-angst-stuff going on).

Then, on the whole relationship thing (I realize we're not supposed to talk about it here, but that other board we're supposed to post about it on seems to be devoid of all life). I went back and looked at the issue where Bunny gives a "thank you kiss" to Sonic (as people put it in the thread about issue 155). Let me just say that it looked pretty darn mutual to me, and it also had led me to believe that the two were going out, as it looked like a pretty important kiss, with the stress lines, the red background, the locked lips, and the arms wrapped around each other. (I see that Bunny supposedly kissed Sonic to make Antoine jealous, but as per no one was even present to witness it, and Patch, as far as I remember, was elsewhere with the King and Queen anyway... "riiiight" is my reaction to that development.)

Then in issue 154, when Sonic watches Mina kiss Ash, he looks disapointed, as opposed to looking happy for his friend like one might expect. And then he kissed Fiona, who he knew Tails had a crush on, gets caught by Tails himself, who screams that he hates Sonic and runs away. Afterwards, Sonic proceeds to play his guitar like nothing happened. Besides the thing with Tails, nothing up to that point would have led me to believe that Sonic or Bunny had broken things off with the other. And now that Sonic has successfully broken up Patch and Sally, after also acting like he wanted to be with Sally again, he apparently goes right back to Fiona.... ...what an awesome guy. What is this going to lead to? A talk about the "birds and the bees" from his father, or something? Or did that already happen? (I think it might've, if I remember correctly.)

Back to the whole Sonic getting injured thing. I think it might be cool to focus on Sonic being unable to help everyone else because of a broken leg, because then we could get a chance to see him really frustrated in not being able to help. I think that might be pretty interesting, with or without a relationship with some girl, be it Fiona or Sally (personally, I'd prefer to see him with Sally, and see certain characters like Fiona, Tommy, Mina, etc, slip into the background, so that we could see some more of the old school characters, like Geoffrey, Hershey, and Lupe, etc; I was just reading the Endgame Saga the other day, reminding myself why it was my favorite arc in Archie Sonic history.)

La la la... burnt out on writing. Maybe I'll say more once I actually get Issue 156. And also if people decide to not be mean to me.

 
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Then in issue 154, when Sonic watches Mina kiss Ash, he looks disapointed, as opposed to looking happy for his friend like one might expect. And then he kissed Fiona, who he knew Tails had a crush on, gets caught by Tails himself, who screams that he hates Sonic and runs away. Afterwards, Sonic proceeds to play his guitar like nothing happened.


OK, Sonic totally ignoring Tails' outburst is crap writing. On the other hand, Tails' outburst was also crap writing.

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And now that Sonic has successfully broken up Patch and Sally, after also acting like he wanted to be with Sally again, he apparently goes right back to Fiona...


Sally broke up with him and made it clear things would stay that way unless he stepped down, and Sonic is never going to step down. What did you think would happen?

 
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--ADMIN MODE ON--

There is no relationship discussion here--and I do enforce it.

So, if people are going to continue dissecting Sonic's love life, people will find their ability to post removed for awhile.

The only slight exceptions will be for comments about this issue--unless they go overboard.

--ADMIN MODE OFF--

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask. Did Knuckles, Julie-Su, or the Chaotix make a cameo anywhere? My subscription ended last issue and I have no reason to buy this one as it stands. ;p

 
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Which requires Shadow getting right into the middle of Knothole and right into Sonic's bedroom without anyone noticing a thing.


He's black...and it gets dark at night...nuff said

 
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He's black...and it gets dark at night...


And he also has large red stripes & red eyes, is heading into a green and wood-coloured area with (I presume) some sort of electric lights on in houses, which is in a forest full of leaves & twigs and stuff that make a noise when you step on them, when said forest has a sizable defence force...

AND Shadow's constant angsting will give him away. ;)

 
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yeah, I was refering to a racist joke...

What do you do when you see your tv floating at night...
you yell "hey (blank) put down my tv"

no, i'm not racist...

 
(@charlesrocketboy)
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What do you do when you see your tv floating at night...
you yell "hey (blank) put down my tv"


And which point karma hits, and it turns out your TV is being carried by the amenic ghost of an albino Country Clubber from Cambridge.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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My subscription finally ran out, and this doesn't make me miss it much. Sally has lost the only interesting aspect of her character and the only reason she was broken up with Sonic, Sonic's acting like a douche, Sally's acting like a spineless wimp (again) and Tails is a horemonal teenager.... except he has no horemones and is 5 years shy of being a teenager.

...yeah.

Anywho, this is more or less my official bow-out of Knothole, it was a fun ride, but there's no reason to stay if Penders is doing 10/12 stories per year and we haven't seen Dubs nearly all this year. It's bad enough I pay Sega for failure, Archie ain't gettin' my money too *Tuxedo Bayfield cape-swish leapy thing*

 
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Actually guys, Tails is 11 in Archie. Remember, Archie based most of its ages on SatAM and Tails was 10 in SatAM. Due to the year jump, Tails is 11 now.

Can't see Dub when he isn't working there.

 
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Ah, didn't realise Tails' age thing, and I know about Dub, but don't mention I've not seen any formal announcement about such and didn't know if it was ok.

Thanks for clearing up Boss Lady *hands YOU a magical box, holder beware*

 
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Sally has lost the only interesting aspect of her character


Don't worry, she might find it down the back of the sofa. It's amazing what gets lost down there.

 
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Ooo! Look! *Tugs* I found the missing Source of All plot hidden down here!

Whoops. *Puts it back before anyone notices* Wouldn't want any sloopy clean-ups like the whole "how to tie the Choosen One up in 2 issues" merlarky a few months back :3

 
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Some additional thoughts:

The Dulcy story sounds somewhat interesting.

I do hope this means that Sally can go back to being a freedom fighter, empathizing her being royal has held her character back somewhat.

No matter what Archie decides to do about King Max, I hope they don't drag out King Max being in a coma too long. I am a little surprised that noone has yet to answer my question, on what you think might happen.

Going back to Sonic and Sally, sorry to being this up, and I hope I don't get banned, but this does have to do with Sally seeing Sonic with Fiona. If I were Sally, I would drop the demand that Sonic "step down" and just accept that Sonic is a warrior. Sonic has to be more understanding and try to be careful and not take any unnessary chances. Instead, if I were Sally, I would demand Sonic stop being a ladies man before I took him back. Sonic does need to change in this area, I don't find him appealing when he is a ladies man.

 
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I do hope this means that Sally can go back to being a freedom fighter, empathizing her being royal has held her character back somewhat.


I thought her actually acting like a monarch in charge of a refugee city-state was actually some great character development for her. She can do far more good for Knothole as ruler than she can as Freedom Fighter (esp. when the current leader is Elias, who never wanted to be leader and turned away from being a monarch, which makes the whole 'King Elias' thing make NO SENSE).

 
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This means we still haven't cleared up the anti-sonic matter yet, right?

 
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Responding to CharlesRocketboy, there are times I think all this developing of Sally's character has cost too much, and that she is just a slave in the castle. At times, I feel like she has lost all her friends(especially Sonic) because she can't spend enough time with them. I am tired about hearing what is best for the kingdom. What about what is best for Sally and her freindships? At least, I hope Archie can figure out a way Sally can balance her time better where she can be both a freedom fighter and help run the kingdom. I am so discouraged about the way things are.

 
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Response to Hiro: Yeah, the Evil Sonic thing has not yet been adressed. But since it took 26 issues before Patch was outed, I wasn't surprised.
Response to True Red: Knux and pals did have a cameo- they were at the wedding reception enjoying a buffet. And accordingly to Sonic, we learned that Knux liked Patch's attitude and thought him a "stand up guy" (this was before everyone learned of his traitorous power-hungry ways).
As for Sally's character devolpment now that some of her royal obligations have lessened with Elias as the King, I think it's too early to tell. I have a feeling that she will never be quite able to balance duty and friendship as well as she did in most pre-Tossed In Space issues, and that until she regains some confidence in herself, her decision-making will continue to suffer.

 
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*sigh*

Its sad, REALLY sad what Archie are doing.

King Elias
Sonic/Fiona
Army of Mechas
Acorn in coma
Knuckles stupid, oh wait he's always been stupid
Evil Ant
A.D.A.M
M
Sally's new delevopment

Whats next?! Shadow joins the Knothole Freedom Fighters!

*sob*

 
(@charlesrocketboy)
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I am tired about hearing what is best for the kingdom. What about what is best for Sally and her freindships?


Well, let's see- on the one hand, you've got an entire nation-state of refugees against Robotnik, with tens of thousands of lives depending on it. On the other... you have a handful of people. Which is more important?

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I hope Archie can figure out a way Sally can balance her time better where she can be both a freedom fighter and help run the kingdom.


Those are both full-time jobs. She does both, she not only would have to give up being with her friends ever again, she'd have to give up sleeping.

 
(@rattrap2000)
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I don't want to sound this way but there is one thing Archie has over looked (Hay this is Archie we're talking about after all) and that is even though Patch is now back on Anti Mobius he is officially married to Sally so he is by all means the king not Elias so in other words Sonic has no clue that he has screwed things up even more for every body and he thinks his doing the right thing if he keeps going this way then it won't be long before Sonic is officially (Two things could happen to Sonic) 1. He could be locked up for very long time and/or 2. Sonic could end up getting kicked out of knotthole and the kingdom that is the one big/main reason right their as to why he needs to officially step down as the hero cuz there is a few in knotthole that are starting to get real sick of Sonic's B.S. just to name a few Ash, King Max and as of now Sonic former best friend Tails as well as a few others that I'm sure of that feel the same way as they do.

 
(@charlesrocketboy)
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even though Patch is now back on Anti Mobius he is officially married to Sally so he is by all means the king not Elias


Elias granted an annulment, so he's no longer married to Sally (unless I misread Miss Puar's synopsis). Having been divorced, usurped and thrown out of the kingdom, Patch has as much claim to the throne now as Robotnik does for the Vatican.

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so in other words Sonic has no clue that he has screwed things up even more for every body


What, by getting rid of Patch and stopping him being king? Erwha? :? (OK, having Elias in charge instead of Sally is certainly a big screw-up, but we can blame Badly-Written Elias and Badly-Written Sally for going along with that one)

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that is the one big/main reason right their as to why he needs to officially step down as the hero cuz there is a few in knotthole that are starting to get real sick of Sonic's B.S. just to name a few Ash, King Max and as of now Sonic former best friend Tails as well as a few others that I'm sure of that feel the same way as they do.


Ash was annoyed because he thought his girlfriend had feelings for Sonic, Max was poisoned & delirious, and Tails was acting like a whiny brat over a girl who had no interest in him & is older than him.

There is no good reason why those reactions should mean Sonic should step down when he's still doing a good job of protecting Knothole- which is what being the hero entails, not being universally loved.

 
(@hiro0015)
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didn't someone mention something about an annulment? I'm not sure...I won't get the comic for atleast another week, so I'm not all that sure but...yeah

 
(@charlesrocketboy)
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Yep, Miss Puar said;

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Elias hand-delivers an annulment to his grateful sis.


 
(@super-rayzor_1722027929)
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Rattrap, get over the Sonic stepping-down bit. It ain't gonna happen; I mean if losing the love of his life didn't cause him to step down, what makes you think any of this stuff will? Plus, won't be much of a Sonic book if Sonic is not the main hero.

 
(@fansinceissue10)
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Here's something I just can't understand. I thought Sally told Sonic right before the "Tossed in Space" arc that she woulds stand by him no matter what. Yet here thay are having broken up over a year ago and neither of them are any closer to reconciling what happene and admitting they still love each other. Now I suppose Sally could say she made that promise to Sonic out of desperation as it looked like he was never going to return, but the fact remains that she still made that promise and should stick to it. Despite this, she tried to get Sonic to do a complete 180 and give up doing his part to free Mobius when before, she was always sending him off to do dangerous asssignments like herself and everyone else. Why? Because she knew everyone had their duty to perform and pave the way to a better tomorrow for the next generation. And even at that time they were still steady! Geez I just know someone's gonna nail me with an example of other charcters easily breaking promises or vows made only 2 or 3 issues ago. So, yeah.... really stupid for them to have broken up in the first place. Sorry to have been talking about relationships, but it just seems to be unavoidable on this forum no matter how hard people try.

Also, I was honestly a little disappointed with the synopsis of the main story. I guess I was kind of hoping for some kind of Antione/Patch fight, heck even a brief struggle ending with Bunnie decking Patch for having broken her heart for over a year now.

As for Elias being King now... him reclaiming his birthright makes no sense except that the rules of royal lineage are obviously different in this reality especially under the conditions as they were at that point. The good side is that instead of Geoffery, Elias now has Sally and Alicia to help him govern and teach him how to be a good ruler. I feel things might actually improve... or maybe its the lack of sleep talking?

Tails. Why not go to Argentium and bring back his parents? That would probably get him off Sonic and Fiona's back for a few months.

Isn't Mobius technically still at war with the Xorda? If so, where are they?

Knuckles and the Choatix. Is it unreasonable to see them be the subjects of another story within the year? Or maybe even the Dark Legion? Afterall, they included Locke in #150-151 and Knuckles was nowhere in sight!

Final thought: I know as much as anyone that Sonic's been a jerk at times to put it mildly, but why suddenly is everyone talking about Shadow gunning Sonic down for no reason whatsoever? Yes, I know Shadow has never had much reason for anything he's done before and that the Shadow the Hedgehog game came out 2 weeeks ago!

OK I'm signing off for the night.

 
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I have a proposal for the comic...let's do what the TV series Dallas did...have Sonic wake up and realize the events of the past year were all a dream...

They also did this in the Family Guy episode "Da Boom". here's the bit on it from www.familyguyfiles.com...
"The entire end of this episode is a parody of the TV show DALLAS (1978-1991). In DALLAS, an entire season had been made with one of the main characters, BOBBY EWING (PATRICK DUFFY) dying and immediatly dallas started losing popularity. So next year, they started the new season by making it all PAM EWING (VICTORIA PRINCIPAL)'s dream; and when she wakes up, BOBBY EWING is in the shower (alive and well), letting the show go on as usual, basically erasing the entire "unpopular" season. Both the original actors reprised their roles for the spoof on Family Guy."

Sounds like a good idea to me! The series was on such a high at 125...hell, I think #129 was good...But lately the comic has hit a low, at least for me...the only good thing about this is that it can only go so low...it has to improve sometime...right?

 
(@rattrap2000)
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You know Fansinceissue 10 just gave me an idea about Tails becoming an even bigger hero then Sonic not only does Tails all by himself go's in outer space to save his mother and father and bring them back home to Mobius but put's an end to to the Xorda once and for all and it will happen soon or later cuz in a way Archie has already started Sonic's (Not the Sonic X comic but the 156+ verson of Sonic the Hedgehog comic) downfall as the main hero slowly and I am one person that can see it (Even though nobody thinks it) happening with in a few years or when ever it does happen Tails will be the next big/main hero of Mobius no matter what I or anybody or anyone says or thinks about it cuz even Archie Comics started the idea over 10 years ago about Tails being more powerful then Sonic, Knuckles and yes even Shadow himself (Shadow says Sonic is a faker that may be but I think Shadow is the Ultimate faker to Tails) so it has to come true witch I hope it does and maybe even Sega in the long run maybe!

 
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Well, rattrap, Sonic will never stop being the main hero in his book, but if they were to do as you suggest in even the slightest way, they would try to give Tails his own book, or at least a 2nd mini-series, which I don't think would work unless they could really, and I mean really, keep the interest of the fans.

 
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Isn't Mobius technically still at war with the Xorda? If so, where are they?


They'd have to know that the planet wasn't destroyed. Considering they left in #125 long before the planned destruction, they probably aren't aware that Mobius wasn't destroyed yet.

It took them awhile to find out that they messed up the first time around. It probably won't take them as long this time to find out, but right now they're probably ignorant of the situation on Mobius. ;p

 
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Alicia reacts by telling Elias that his step-child (Alexis isn't his baby? Teh scandal!) will be ineligible for the throne.
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Whaaaaa??? :eek Man, this issue sure is fill with a alot cop outs.

 
(@dandrazen)
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I knew when we saw Elias and a REALLY pregnant Meg that Elias hadn't been gone THAT long, unless gestation periods for Mobian females are incredibly short. So maybe he'd walked into the middle of a seduced-and-abandoned situation amongst the woodcutters. That's how I'd have handled it in a fanfic, anyway.

 
(@charlesrocketboy)
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Isn't Mobius technically still at war with the Xorda? If so, where are they?


Judging by their previous track record, they've probably not noticed Mobius isn't dead yet.

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I have a proposal for the comic...let's do what the TV series Dallas did...have Sonic wake up and realize the events of the past year were all a dream...


No. That's a cop-out the size of Robotnik's butt.

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not only does Tails all by himself go's in outer space to save his mother and father and bring them back home to Mobius but put's an end to to the Xorda once and for all


And Tails, on his own, is going to put an end to the Xorda once and for all... how, exactly?

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Archie has already started Sonic's (Not the Sonic X comic but the 156+ verson of Sonic the Hedgehog comic) downfall as the main hero slowly and I am one person that can see it


You're the only person who can see it coz it's not happening.

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Tails will be the next big/main hero of Mobius no matter what I or anybody or anyone says or thinks about it cuz even Archie Comics started the idea over 10 years ago about Tails being more powerful then Sonic, Knuckles and yes even Shadow himself


Which they've never touched on since, and which Sega is never going to let them for as long as they're making Sonic games.

 
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