Are Lara-Le and Mace gonna be around at least?
Enerjak 2.0 doesn't even hold a candle to the original. I mean I didn't expect the new Enerjak to be just like Dimitri but he was far too eager to show off his power while Dimitri seemed more calm and collected...
I hope the next arc doesn't have as much widespread effects as these last 3 have been...
I think I remember being a huge fan of Locke...until the Knux comics were discontinued and I lost interest.
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Are Lara-Le and Mace gonna be around at least?
They were on the first page of this issue (though apparently colouring Lara accurately is incredibly tricky or something).
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I mean I didn't expect the new Enerjak to be just like Dimitri but he was far too eager to show off his power while Dimitri seemed more calm and collected...
...uh, really? Both of them seemed pretty calm and secure in their self-righteousness only until the second something opposed it; then they'd both go screaming and ranting and showing off their power. Heck, when Dimitrijak came back he spent an entire issue giving examples his power in an attempt to shake Knuckles (look, we're on the moon and I don't care because I'm all-powerful! Now we're deep in the ocean just because I can do that, nyar har har!) and when Knuckles was less than impressed, he went nuts and did the molecule-pull-apart thing. You don't call that eager to show off power?
True but just who was Enerjak 1.0 showing off his power to? Just one person...not that big of a deal. I do remember when him and the DL arrived in Echinaopolis and he disarmed the entire army. How many times did Knuckles show off his powers to others? Almost all the time.
And Dimitri was far more calm and collected than Knuckles. Even when showing off his power to Knuckles...it took the entire issue for him to get annoyed. Knuckles was calm and cool for a very few times...most other times he was vengeful and just going beserk. He was far more pro active than Dimitri and I know this was due in part because Knux was under Fini's spell, the point still remains. Knuckles was around for as many issues as Enerjak was (3 or 4) and caused far more destruction and mayhem.
But what's going to happen, if and when they decide have Enerjak 3.0 (Which I kind of hope turns out to be Tails?) Tails/Enerjak 3.0 could make Dimitri/Enerjak 1.0 and Knuckles/Enerjak 2.0 look like nothing more then a low rank novice! The only reason I'm saying this is because Dr. Finitevus might have sensed that Tails has an even stronger connection to the ME then Knuckles, Sonic and maybe even more then Shadow does/has. Since Tails is the Chosen One after all, back in STH #181. So it is very possible that Locke might have made things even worse for everyone (Somewhere down the road.) with his actions.
...Why are people already thinking about a THIRD Enerjak? We just got out of the arc featuring the second one, so I don't think we'll see another Enerjak for YEARS.
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So it is very possible that Locke might have made things even worse for everyone (Somewhere down the road.) with his actions.
Oh, sure. Blame the guy who just sacrificed himself to cure his son's idiocy. If anything, Knuckles'll probably cause the next problem again cause someone will trick him. He's no different than his game counterpart now.
Wasn't Locke fooled by the same man who used Knux to try to execute his scorched earth policy?
Like Father, Like Son!
Sally should die next...
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LMAO!
Did you draw that? That had me in tears! That is fantastic!
Now . . . if I only had a six-pack like that.
Yeah, I did. Glad you liked it.
Sort of a editorial cartoon response to the outpouring of emotions regarding Locke's death.
On another note...Rambo comes out soon. Joy!
LOL! That comic made me laugh so hard. I don't actually think that's a good thing to be know for though...o___O
Gullibility must run in the family.
Thanks for the concern, Darkest Light. I got my issue btw and voiced more of my opinion over on Ian's board if anyone pops up in there to read. I like the issue overall, but this could have all been avoided if Knuckles would have just came home when his father asked him to...
Good job, Knuckles. Good job. >__>
Well, since were on the topic of killing more characters...why don't we just kill off Sonic's parents. That seems fair to me.
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Well, since were on the topic of killing more characters...why don't we just kill off Sonic's parents. That seems fair to me.
Sonic's dad was already killed.
... and then revived pages later.
Heck, why not kill off everyone else and restore the status quo from the SatAM era?
sonic blaster, i must say, that's a great pic lol
There's supposed to be a war going on. One would expect a few deaths to occur. Granted, it's a children's comic...
Nobody considers all of the characters that have died in the comic's history that I cared about! I say all of these dead echidnas make us even!! TT.TT
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If anything, Knuckles actually HAS a point now, now that he must guard the Master Emerald once again.
Yeah, now instead of guarding it out of pride and loyalty he can guard it out of guilt for the eradication of his people and the death of his father (resulting in him being the only Guardian left).
Wow, that's a sig I haven't used in a looong time. I forgot the original joke that led to it. Now I have to figure out how to edit my profile.
>>He's not the only one. They're all still just in the Zone of Silence, that opens up every 4 generations :O.
..!!!! Loophole! DUH DUH DUH!
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Wasn't Locke fooled by the same man who used Knux to try to execute his scorched earth policy?
Yeah but Locke was fooled by the guy who was Lien-Da's right-hand when the Dark Legion was AI's resistance. He was fooled by the guy who helped him keep A.D.A.M. from stealing the M.E. when he sucked up all the emeralds across the universe. He was fooled by the guy who's team defended the echidna's from a Dingo attack. He was fooled by the guy who gave him a means to find his forefathers. Yes he was fooled but all he'd seen of Fin so far showed that he was aiding him and his cause. He had no idea how deep the deception ran or how long Fin had been spinning the web.
I haven't gabbed about him in a long time, but since I'm still partial to Remington and since I just got this issue, I ask, does Remmy actually know that he's Kragok's kid now? Let alone that he's of Dark Legion lineage? I was rather disappointed this was merely ambigiously stated (not unless Ian plans to make some short story based on this in the future or something), so I suppose it's best to ask now if anyone knows the answer.
Well, I have to say that this story arc ended in a horrible way for the return of Enerjak; it's even worse than when the poor guy got hosed the first time. The Dark Legion has been reduced to Robotnik's foot soldiers, Lien-Da no longer has a chance of becoming a major villain in her own right, Dimitri's following the "Baxter Stockman" pattern, the Destructix are off to join up with Mammoth Mogul AGAIN, Enerjak didn't even get to really punish Super Sonic, and Knuckles is in emo mode. MY APOLOGIES FOR THE RUN-ON SENTENCE.
Still, there are a few things I'm happy about: Locke died in a cool way, Dr. Finitevus has escaped to prove himself the supreme Archie villain another day, Scourge and Fiona have left for an unknown period of time and are likely to return badder than ever, and it doesn't sound like Knuckles is going to get any rap for being under a spell and causing all the damage that he did. Of course, knowing Rad Red he's probably already planning to hammer himself over it during the long hours of solitude he'll have as the lone Guardian of Angel Island. Hopefully, Julie-Su will stay with him-to provide moral support, of course (odged day omantic ray iscussion day an bay).
I just hope that a new Enerjak will return at a later date, because this was a disgraceful finish for one of the greatest villains in the series.
It was a good issue and a good story arc. Wrapped up a bit fast but Doc Fin is still alive so I guess Ian will be revisiting some of the plot points. (Hopefully during the #200 story arc!
) Glad Locke died, never liked him, should have got a long death seen though. Hope we see more of a reaction to this from Knuckles in the issues.
I haven't decided yet if I'm happy that Doc Fin survived the arc though. Don't get me wrong, I think he's the best villain to come out of the comic in years, but when villain stick around for too long they get neutered. (Ex. Mammoth Mogul & Ixis Naugus)
At any right this looks like just the beginning for Knux-based stories . The DL & Demetri are back in bussines! Just wish they were independent of of Robotnik
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Besides that the only disappointment I have about the issue would be the super fight. Was expecting more. Anime has spoiled me. I have to remember to adjust my expectations for Sonic. I have to keep in mind I'm older now and the target audience is younger readers.
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Still love the comic though, Ian's doing a great job!
Exodus, you read my mind. The Super Sonic vs. Enerjak fight was extremely disappointing; Shadow vs. Enerjak was better. I'm hoping that Finitevus returns just as tough as ever, and that hopefully he won't end up like Mogul and Naugus-humiliated and reduced to little more than a thug-or like A.D.A.M.-killed just after showing us how tough a villain he really is. I won't be happy until I see him in a serious one-on-one battle with someone, and I hope he ends up becoming Knuckles' new arch-nemesis.
As for Knux, I'm rather disappointed in him; he's abandoned his principle that Mobius is more important than Angel Island just because the Echidnas got hammered and Locke is now dead because he wasn't on duty and then got tricked. Sure, the Master Emerald needs defending, but Angel Island? The place is virtually empty of Echidnas, and any other sentient inhabitants have certainly been no help. I say get 'em all of the island, and then dump it into the nearest ocean and keep the Master Emerald in New Mobotropolis or something.
Dimitri's returning status as a villain doesn't seem that great to me; his apparent reform seemed like a nice change, but it turns out to be fake. The fact that he now has tentacles doesn't change things, it just says that Archie has been watching too many episodes of the new TMNT cartoon featuring Baxter Stockman. I also think that the Dark Legion would do much better without Robotnik; I wanted Lien-Da to be forced to make a deal with Dr. Finitevus. I hope we get more in depth about Knuckles' feelings over the whole incident, and that it won't be too long before Rad Red comes to his senses.
@Enerjak: Considering Angel Island is Sega cannon, I doubt Sega would allow it. Death of Sega characters isn't allowed, and I'd presume that extends to things such as Angel Island as well.
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The place is virtually empty of Echidnas, and any other sentient inhabitants have certainly been no help. I say get 'em all of the island, and then dump it into the nearest ocean and keep the Master Emerald in New Mobotropolis or something.
I agree, every couple of story arcs and in every game some steals it or syphines off some power and becomes super. It's too much trouble. My friend and I were talking about that the other day.
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The fact that he now has tentacles doesn't change things, it just says that Archie has been watching too many episodes of the new TMNT cartoon featuring Baxter Stockman.
I never thought about the connection but that is so true. That's what happens to villain that writers don't want to kill off and have no plans for, weird transformations and flip-flopping between sides. Dimitri could have been a deeper villain if he stayed reformed and lived a life to repent for past mistakes.
But if Dimitri is going to be evil again he needs a better form. Needs to go to Japan and invest in a Gundum. Anyany case the DL are back!
Mogul needs to die and stay dead. The guy's had more rebirths than Optimus Prime or Goku.
Goku's only been revived once. He had two deaths-- first in the Saiyan Saga, after he is 'wished back' he survives multiple battles before getting killed by Cell, and choose to remain in Heaven aka Other World. He had such a pure heart that they let him keep his body and even visit Earth sometimes-- but he has a halo so you can tell he's really deceased. (And I guess he's got a third death if you count Future Trunks' parallel timeline where he died of heart disease). His best friend Kuririn has died more than any character- killed by Tambourine; revived by the original Earth dragonballs, killed by Frieza; revived by Namekian dragonballs, killed by Buu; revived by New Earth dragonballs Dende created, and finally killed by Super 17 in DBGT; also revived by the New Earth Dragonballs which is technically breaking the rule but since Toriyama didn't write any of GT can be disregarded. Also died in Future Trunks' timeline and presumably is dead of old age in the anniversary special starring Pan's great-grandson Goku Jr but those take place outside the main continuity. What? It's not like I'm obsessed with that fandom or anything. *whistles*
erm, im not sure when it happens, but when i check on youtube, he definitely has no halo when he axes kid buu.
Puar. Gonna hafta correct you.
New Namek Dragonballs -Can bring anyone back any number of times-stated by Dende in the end of DBZ when Goku and Vegeta are formulating their plan on Supreme Kai's world as they get wrecked by Buu.
Second. Goku's was given his life back by the old guy :O. In the sword Gohan was having acres of troble with :O. He traded his life so Goku could help fight cause Buu was SICKNASTY!:O.
<< >> not like I'm a fanatic or anything... *runs before she beats him*
Back OT: Umm Yeah! Sonic!
DL got to it before me....i suppose it depends on your opinion, but goku may as well have died at the end of GT. (i loathe GT, but it doesn't really matter)
^If I say I only read the Buu Saga in lq manga scanlations do I get a pass? Totally forgot Supreme Kai (he and his fruitloopy assistant--Kabito?--were hilarious). Of course Toriyama intended to stop writing the manga after Cell so if we pretend that matters, we're all winners. But in another, more accurate way, DL is the winner. *tips hat*
I do so love seeing DBZ nerds on the board. It was my first fandom. <3 Any of ya guys ever stop on by AZ, we'll hafta watch the uncut DVDs. Maybe play a little Budokai! FUSION-HA!
Back On-Topic: Death cheats in any fandom tend to grate on the nerves, even if the chara is well-liked. For that reason I'd like Locke to stay dead.
As for Max getting the ax... he has a few close calls but I think he works as a grumpy PITA, given that the other 'good guys' who filled that role are gone thru death or redemtion.
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I do so love seeing DBZ nerds on the board. It was my first fandom. <3 Any of ya guys ever stop on by AZ, we'll hafta watch the uncut DVDs. Maybe play a little Budokai! FUSION-HA!
What is AZ? either way it sounds like a plan lol
AZ=Arizona
lol, Ian has said that he knocked Mogul down so that he could build him back up....so I'm sure his status as one of the big bad guys will be restored in the coming months...although I'm sure everyone will continue to make fun of his long winded diatribes.
The Mammoth must die! Uber-level villains that stick around to long always loose their uberness. If his uber status is restored in this arc it should also be his exit arc.
To really get back on the subject track,just got 184 yesterday.
The story was more of fist fight from start to near finsh, when Locke finally saw the errors of his ways and sacrifice his life to restore his son, but as I said before it looks like he got his way anyway, for Knuckles now vows to guard the Master Emerald even it's by himself, but I don't think so, something tells me Ian's going to work it out where Knuckles uses either the star gem or a warp ring to go back and forth to check on the emerald, or maybe have Julie-Su and the Chaotix help him guard it.
The entire saga overall was done very well, perhaps one of the best Sonic Stories in a long while. Now I know not many will agree with that, for some may say it was too ovious that Knuckles would be restored the way he was, and will also ask questions like why did Locke die and Finitevius live.
But to me the entire saga was well put together, the writing, the artwork, the characatzion, all of it was done extremly well, my hat's off to all the all who worked on this story and brought it to life for us to hold in hands and enjoy.
The Story and entire saga it's self gets a 100/100, even though some of you may not agree with that, but to me this saga truly dersves it, for it will go down as one of the best Sonic Mini-Series stories of all time.
God Bless.
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... and will also ask questions like why did Locke die and Finitevius live.
Because Finitevius is cool and Locke was a jerk. Nuff said
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But seriously I do agree it was a great story. I wouldn't give it 5 stars though. Ian needs to work of the fight scenes and the story pacing. Events rap up and/or occur to quickly at times.
That's true for most Sonic arcs though. I'd give it a 7/10. Gotta love an arc with Knux and Julie in the forefront.
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The story was more of fist fight
this is the only time i'm ever going to say that i didn't like a fistfight in the comic. the whole "i'm invincible so you can't hurt me" thing was overplayed. especially since they were both "invincible" you'd figure it would cancel itself out or something. but noooo
I liked how Super Sonic was geuinely having fun messing with Enerjak; I think that suits his playful personality. I almost expected Enerjak to say something along the lines of "Please! Try to behave like a proper omnipotent being!" Although the Super thing was only temporary so the analogy wouldn't work but...umm...
I was surprised by two things in this issue: Scourge and Fiona leaving Mobious all together and the fact that Dr. Fin's hex required a self-sacrifice; which is a sort of suicide. I'm kind of surprised something like that made it into an Archie comic. (And I hope Ian wasn't suckerpunched by mangement.)I suppose because it wasn't too graphically portrayed and was done in a fantasy sort of way...If Dr. Fin would have proclaimed "In order to stop the he
I did like this issue. My only major complaint was that the final page with Dr. Fin in it was a little vague in it's action. I didn't get what was going on at first until I read it a second time. It definetely looks better when I watch it in my head in motion than broken down sequentially.
You just reminded me of something Dreamer. Does anyone thing Scourge is going to turn good?
From what I've seen in the spoilers, (Still waiting to catch up on the latest few issues in detail myself) I'd say, I he not. It's possible, however as much as Scourge is one bad desisicion away from Sonic, I think that it was a desicion he agreed with, and he'll stick to his guns.
If anything, I think he's finally realised he knows very little about the multiverse he lives in. He'll be back, bigger, badder, dare I say superer?, and smarter than ever. Not much smarter, natch, he is Sonic after all...
I've thought breifly about that too. I think it would be unwise to make Scourge into a complete hero; after all, if you take the Anti out of Anti-Sonic, what do you have? Sonic. Then you'd have a non-evil duplicate of Sonic stealing spotlight away from...Well, Sonic.
From a veiw of character perspectives, though, I don't think Scourge could become a hero. There's just too much sleaze to cut through. Even if he decided to fight for the right I think he'd still be a little morally corrupt and I wonder if he wouldn't be a little bit inept at being a hero.
Also, I just read through the first three or four pages of this topic. It really is too bad most of the board gets the comic two or three weeks ahead of me; the discussion is usually dicussed by the time I get to it. I guess that people have really taken what has happened to the Echidna World pretty hard. I was personally never a fan of the Knuckles series -- I liked the original mini-series, and I tried following the main series but gave up after the first three-parter. I did respect the mythology the Echdina stories managed to accumulate but never could get into it.
I kind of wish Knuckles in the video game series would have an ephiphany similar to this and decide to stay on Angel Island.
Also, on the subject of the Sonic Series going backwards, I would tend to disagree. Sonic and his friends finally have their old home back. (Sure, they overtook Robotropolis for awhile but they never cleaned it up enough for it to truly shine like Old Mobotropolis.) Plus, since it's made with nanites, their home has a pretty nifty forcefield. Their form of government has changed from a kingdom to a republic or democracy or something...it's too late for me to be thiking of government. Then there's things like Tails' family finally being reuinted, Antonie and Bunnie getting married, and Shadow finally having a clearly defined past and purpose in the comic.
As far as the Knuckles series goes Knux is finally back on Angel Island which took long enough considering how long ago the "Home" arc and the "Return to Angel Island" arcs were. This is a major shift in the status quo for the echidnas -- maybe even the Echidna equivlenet of "Endgame" or "Eggman Empire". But it presents a bunch of new story possbilities such as the potential wrath of the Dingos, The Dark Legion's relationship with Robotnik, how Echidnas cope with living on the land again, How Knuckles grieves for Locke...But yeah, I can see how it would be a big pill to swallow.
Well, since I already posted this on Bumbleking, I may as well here too, to express my feelings for the death of whoever it was that died. With visual aids!
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I've thought breifly about that too. I think it would be unwise to make Scourge into a complete hero; after all, if you take the Anti out of Anti-Sonic, what do you have? Sonic. Then you'd have a non-evil duplicate of Sonic stealing spotlight away from...Well, Sonic.
Not only that, but he'd be another heroic green hedgehog (Rob) and another bad-hedgie-turned good (Shadow).
I'm not saying I'm not for character development for Scourge, but I think him suddenly going good seems pointless. He's fun as a villain.
Maybe he's going to try and become completely evil, instead of whimsically evil, so that he isnt just one good day away from being sonic.
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Maybe he's going to try and become completely evil, instead of whimsically evil, so that he isnt just one good day away from being sonic.
I hope so guitarpalooz, I hope so. Cause him turning good would be completly out of the blue and would probally be done very corny.
I'm also curious about *where* Scourge is going to end up in the universe. We do know a few different alein species that exist in Sonic's universe at this point...Such as Careem's species, The Xorda, the Bem, The Thoraxians, and The Black Arms. Course he could end up on some previously unknown planet as well.
I just assumed he was going back to Anti-Mobius.
