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(@rocket-jessie)
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Pleeaaaaase forgive me if I'm doubling on a topic. If I am.... it's because I didn't see any listed on this page... and because I didn't want to anger people by bumping an old topic n.n;

Anyhow.... it's just a basic, stupid question.

Anti Antoine is the one with the scar, right? The real Antoine doesn't have a scar.. does he? I wasn't too sure looking at the pics from #150. I couldn't really tell...

 
(@matt7325)
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From what I could tell, they both have scars. Whether this is because of the whole anti-thing (Anti-Ant has a scar just because the real Ant does) or some reason, we're yet to be told. Personally I think the real Ant got his scar, then got sent to the Anti-world, and the Anti-Ant gave himself the scar so that he'd fit in.

 
(@miss-puar)
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Re-read 150 and Patch (Anti-Antoine) definitely had a scar before he went to Mobius Prime. Antoine must likely got the scar to blend in on Anti-Mobius (whether it's a real scar or just for appearances remains to be seen).

 
(@dirk-amoeba)
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Doctor Quack claims to know how Ant got the scar. This means either the real Ant got the scar while on Mobius Prime, or we have a plothole. Knowing this comic, either situation is as likely as the other.

 
(@lonewolf23)
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...I think Anti-Antoine's the one with the real scar, and not Antoine..

...But I'm hoping that when Antoine comes back, he gives Anti-Antoine a realreason to wear an eyepatch... :"> )

 
(@sonicxfactor)
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yeah i agree. i hope the real Antoine kick Anti Antoines butt. this could be a sign for Antoine to be in the spotlight and be hero for a day.

 
(@questern)
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You know, a likely senario could be that Antione could have been on a mission when the switch happened. Somebody probably noticed the scar and took him to Doctor Quake's. (Patch could've gone the extra mile and put fake blood on it, since it is an old scar. Remember the SU crossover? I seem to remember him having a scar way back then.) After treating the scar, Patch told DQ that he didn't want anybody to know how it happened.

Of course, plotholes may be used. :">

 
(@alcatel)
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...But I'm hoping that when Antoine comes back, he gives Anti-Antoine a realreason to wear an eyepatch... >: )


Yeah ! So I'm not the only one wishing Antoine, back home, fights his Evil double with some of similar feelings than him: anger (he lived far from relatives and friends for months), hate (against all the Anti-FF, and especially Anti-Sonic cause it's his fault and Anti-Antoine for the pain he would know him having caused to Bunnie), harshness and coldness (he couldn't live with the Anti-FF showing cowardly and exuberance).

Errr... Oh yes: Antoine would fight him and alsmot kill him, but spare his life cause... Bunnie, of course, she would never accept such a murder, especially not from his REAL boyfriend - who's supposed to be the nice one.

(yeah, sounds like Return of the Jedi, I know)

........

...at least I hope a great and violent swordfight.

 
(@sonicxfactor)
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If they did a sword fight they would have to make it stylish like in those samurai movies. That would kick ass:thumbsup

 
(@alcatel)
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No, I'd see it more like a swashbuckler.

 
(@fansinceissue10)
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Have any of you actually considered some of the more important points? Like, how exactly is Antione going to get home, or how is he going to reveal Patch as an imposter and himself as the real deal? And just what would be done with either of them depending on the outcome of the previous question? That's what concerns me more. I look at the fight stuff as page fillers to build up to the next big developement point in the plot (not that it isn't exciting mind you).

 
(@energyemerald_1722585807)
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Yes, yes, yes, and yes. I have, anyway.

 
(@miss-puar)
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Yeah I've thought about it. I figure Ant will probably get home the same way Sonic did- Evil Rote's inventions. If he explained his situation I think the Anti FF's would help him (if for no other reason than to get revenge on a common enemy). It's a little cliche, but Ant will probably arrive in the midst of a wedding ceremony, and if everyone there sees two Antoines they've gotta figure that one is a faker. I imagine the scene will play out a little something like this.
MoFo Theatre Presents: Wedding Crashers

ANTOINE: 'E iz an impostair!
PATCH: I know you are, but what am I?
ANT & PATCH: *brandishing swords* Grrr!
SALLY: This is getting us nowhere.
SONIC: Don't sweat it Sal. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
SALLY: Enlighten us then.
SONIC: *points to Patch* This guy's gotta be the real deal. Fancy jacket, polished boots, goofy hairdo, he looks just like 'Twan.
ANTOINE: *livid* Son-eek, tu es un blague! Tu veux que je te fasse un dessin? Il est l'ennemi! *waves sword around, uses a few choice expletives*
SONIC: *gulps* But hey, that's just my opinion!

EDIT: May have made a few grammar errors with the french, just ignore them and enjoy the joke.

 
(@fansinceissue10)
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Okay, that's not too bad. Now tell me if this sounds more likely: the way I think part of the Evil Antione story should be resolved is that the Evil Freedom Fighters should come to Mobius and really give it to Evil Sonic for leaving them behind. After all, after beating down the others, Sonic left Evil Rotor conscious so he could operate the zone portal generator to get Sonic home. Evil Rotor could then explain this to the others once they come to and Antione could persuade them (without giving himself away so he doesn't get killed) to go after Evil Sonic so they could give him what he rightfully deserves. This seems like the most likely way Antione will ever get back to the Mobius he knows and loves since neither he nor Sonic really recognized each other in #151. Odds are he might have to sneek off which might raise their suspicions thought. Besides, can you imagine just what would happen if Evil Sally and Bunnie caught Evil Sonic with Rouge? They would tear him apart limb from limb, and just think of the cat-fight that would happen between them and Rouge! It would be absolutely hysterical just trying to see Evil Sonic worm his way out of that situation. If that would happen in a future issue as the whole Evil Antione story gets resolved, I would by the issue just for that. Are you listening out there Archie Comics?

 
(@rocket-jessie)
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ANTOINE: 'E iz an impostair!
PATCH: I know you are, but what am I?
ANT & PATCH: *brandishing swords* Grrr!
SALLY: This is getting us nowhere.
SONIC: Don't sweat it Sal. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
SALLY: Enlighten us then.
SONIC: *points to Patch* This guy's gotta be the real deal. Fancy jacket, polished boots, goofy hairdo, he looks just like 'Twan.
ANTOINE: *livid* Son-eek, tu es un blague! Tu veux que je te fasse un dessin? Il est l'ennemi! *waves sword around, uses a few choice expletives*
SONIC: *gulps* But hey, that's just my opinion!


xD Bwahahahaha... I could totally see something like that happening.

 
(@fansinceissue10)
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Thanks, I just hope someone who has connections to Archie Comics' Sonic division actually monitors thissite from time to time. That's probably the best chance this idea ever has of becoming reality. Archie, you better be listening! On another note, isn't Ron Lim the worst artist they ever hired?

 
(@lonewolf23)
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Here's how I think they oughta have Sonic tell the two apart..

Antoine: I am ze real Antoine!
Sonic: Oh yeah? Prove it!
Antoine: Ok... Maurice...
Sonic: *Winces* ...Ok, you're the real deal..

 
(@fansinceissue10)
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Ummm... actually its Maurcie (not sure if that's the right way to spell it). Check #53 and you'll see.

 
(@lonewolf23)
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The right way to spell it ~is~ Maurice.

 
(@fansinceissue10)
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Really. Hmmm... I'll have to look into this over the weekend.

 
(@ingjald)
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yep, its Maurice

 
(@fansinceissue10)
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What do you know. I was wrong. Thanks for setting the record straight. Come to think of it, it's been a few years since I read that issue, so I guess it would be easy to confuse the names. Although I admit, Maurcie does sound kind of weird for guy's name. So what do you think of my idea for getting to the resolution of the whole Antione/Patch story?

 
(@ingjald)
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no problem!

as for your solution, id say thats too clever for Archie to come up with...

 
(@alcatel)
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EDIT: May have made a few grammar errors with the french, just ignore them and enjoy the joke.


Boaah, even the writers do some. And worse ones.

ANTOINE: *livid* Son-eek, c'est une blague! Tu veux que je te fasse un dessin? Il est l'ennemi!

I see something like...

After a little trip around Mobius, where Antoine sees what Patch left behind him, he finally finds him, alone.

Antoine (full of anger): You fake... I've seen all you've done here. Oll the pain. Oll the mess. How many times made you my dear Bunnie crying ? How did you manage to divide the freedom fighters ?
Patch (cold): Mee ? A fake ? Oo's the fake ? I'm the brave Antoine, am I not ? Oh, maybe "your" Bunnie knowz I'm not you. But... After I'll have killed you, WHO will make the difference and know the truss ? I will be a hero EVEN MORE: one of zose damn Evil Freedom Fighters, dead by my hand !
Antoine: This is it. Je l'attendais. En garde, monsieur ! (he points his sword and engages the fight)

The fight quickly degenerates. Antoine and Patch use their fists and feet.

Patch: I've gained a considerable experience during your wor against Robotneek... You'll be no match.
Antoine (smiling): Pauvre crdule. Do you really think I didn't get prepared ? I trained hardly with your little hell's angel friends. Every day, I had to accomplish an evil scheme of theirs. I fighted a lot. I even almost became really one of them !

Antoine kicks Patch and knocks him down, while Sonic, Sally and Bunnie appear far of them.

Antoine (lifting his sword): I'LL KILL YOU !

Sonic runs to prevent Antoine doing the crime. He and Bunnie catch him. Antoine struggles.

Antoine (furious): LET ME KILL HIM !

I've already proposed the end of that.

 
(@ingjald)
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not saying its not clever, but what i really meant is that Archie probably would come up with something far more far-fetched and improbable...probably inolving more zone-hopping, time-travel, Tommy Turtle dying again for no reason in particular and then finish it all with Patch randomly tripping over the "Cosmic Reset Button", returning everything to normal.

 
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Yeah, I really like LoneWolf23's idea, it would be a way for Archie to show the vetrain readers that they still care. :annoyed I've stopped buying the comic for pleasure. I'm only missing 14 comics from 28 through to the present, so I only trying to go for a complete collection.

 
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From what I could tell, they both have scars. Whether this is because of the whole anti-thing (Anti-Ant has a scar just because the real Ant does) or some reason, we're yet to be told.


Sorry, that can't work because it's now been established, as far as Archie is concerned, that the AntiBunnie is intact rather than partially roboticized. So it's not a true mirror world.

 
(@fansinceissue10)
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Oh well, you probably are right about Archie doing something more far-fetched. At the moment I'm only concerned with two things right now: 1) Evil Sonic gets the proper smack-down he deserves from characters of both worlds(Rouge, E. Sally, E. Bunnie, Antione, and Sonic); and 2) Ron Lim is not the penciler for that issue. In fact, make sure he isn't even in the building when that issue is being made. IMO anyone already on staff as a penciler is better than him, and I mean ANYONE!

 
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Sorry, that can't work because it's now been established, as far as Archie is concerned, that the AntiBunnie is intact rather than partially roboticized. So it's not a true mirror world.


So that must mean there was something that occured that gave them both their scars. I'm still going with my Anti-
Ant self inflicted wound theory.

 
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IMO anyone already on staff as a penciler is better than him, and I mean ANYONE!


Eh, I think Dave Manak is about the worst. Of course, that could be the fact that since the first time I saw Manak's art, I've thought that a six year old can draw better than him; of course, I've always liked Lim's pictures so I am a little bias. Finally, though, I will admit that Manak has gotten better, and I think the best story he's done is the one where Ant goes looking for the Krudzu.

 
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Ant goes looking for the Krudzu.


Eh, when was this?

EE

 
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Eh, I think Dave Manak is about the worst. Of course, that could be the fact that since the first time I saw Manak's art, I've thought that a six year old can draw better than him; of course, I've always liked Lim's pictures so I am a little bias. Finally, though, I will admit that Manak has gotten better, and I think the best story he's done is the one where Ant goes looking for the Krudzu.


Oh yeah, "The Map". In it, Antoine finds half of an old map in the handle of his father's sword, and thinks it's something his father wanted him to find. Meanwhile, Snively, looking through some old records, finds the other half of the map and decides to check it out. Antoine also decides to investigate..

The story's not bad, although in it, Antoine is suspiciously devoid of his usual cowardice, and actually comes off as a clever, sneaky commando-style fighter. ...Which leaves me to believe maybe that story had been intended for Geoffery St.John instead.

...Well, it's all Academic anyways, since the Map sub-plot was never picked up again, and things have changed an awful lot since then...

 
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Oh, yeah! =)

I remember that story, it was the backstory to Battle Royal Special, wasn't it?

Hmm, you're right, the story was never finished. I wonder what the map led to, anyway... =(

I'd better pick up that issue and re-read it.

I'll make a fanfic if I need to.

EE

 
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It's things like Anti-Ant and Tommy the Turtle's re-birth that make me cry.

Oh, and Tails getting trodden on by all the Archie characters and being little more than a chauffer. With a plane.

And M:25YL.

 
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