We'll get right on it.

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They had other characters that have appeared in recent issues that haven't been seen since the beginning of the comic series.

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I'm willing to bet that most of those characters all share one thing in common that the original Robotnik lacks: the fact that they haven't died.

Of course, I don't really read the comic, so if you're able to provide me with a counterexample, please, be my guest. Otherwise, I think dead people should stay dead.

Zombies.

Oh yeah, that's how bad the comic can still be.

I know it seems far fetched and weird. However, given the circumstance that they have "zones" and "teleporters" in the stories, for example, bringing someone back for any reason could be acceptable.

Also, Dr. Robotnik, was back only for issue #108. The effect(and him) didn't last due to the lack of molecules.

Well, Ian has already made clear his "no old Robotnik" stance, so don't expect him for quite a while.

You know what the comic needs?

More Wolvurkel.

BETTER YET: An entire issue centered around a Nerb invasion and led by the Wolvurkel.

Have it drawn by Many Hands.

You know you want it.

well, thanks everyone. (don't worry, i'm not being sarcastic)

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Well, Ian has already made clear his "no old Robotnik" stance, so don't expect him for quite a while.

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and if ian stays on the comic till the end, don't expect old robotnik ever.

Dubs, I'd buy a million copies.

truthfully i want the old 'botnik to stay dead and gone. i like how this one is more calculating and careful. don't get me wrong, i thoroughly enjoyed the antics of the original but now that the comic has fully taken this turn into telling real stories i don't see the original robo being much of an asset. i think he'd completely get his butt handed to him nowadays

To be honest, I think I'd prefer the old Doc being crazy/insane like this, and with an entire skyfleet at his disposal.

This one is still just too goofy to my liking.

if you look goofy and act goofy.. and have very hilarious facial expressions of disappointment.. then your not a very good villain... and thus cannot be taken too serious.. The satam based robotnik was the best.. he held no quarter against his enemies.. and he could still be funny but usually in a cruel yet poignant way.. hell id love to see this eggman wiped clear off the map and a when his essence is downloaded into a new body and not the evil ivo we had back in the day of the comics why not revive the classic robotnik from the old sega games.. atleast he looked fairly creepy on the sonic 2 box art...

That'd be pretty tough, since the character is'nt a robot anymore.

then Nega should pay the old doctor a visit every now and then to lend a hand in his nefarious schemes..

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if you look goofy and act goofy.. and have very hilarious facial expressions of disappointment.. then your not a very good villain... and thus cannot be taken too serious..

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Looking goofy stops you being a good villain and being taken seriously when you have incinerated entire kingdoms, recorded the suffering of the Golden Hive natives for fun, and created a system that burns out people's souls to turn them into parts of a power system, solely for the fun of burning out said souls?

I'd take that guy seriously.

True, the current version of Robotnik is goofy, though he has proven he can be a serious threat. The original Robotnik was probably killed off too soon; it probably should have been saved until near the end of the comic book.

I have mixed feelings about the "dead staying dead" policy. On one hand it can prevent dumb death cheats, on the other there are those characters I don't think should be killed off(Sonic, and Tails of course, Sally and the rest of the core FF's). I guess this comes from my distrust of Archie.

yeah, one of the reasons i posted this topic was that i also thought that the old robotnik was killed off too soon. but hey, i guess that's the way that it is.

At the point of time it was that the comic had run for, I doubt they'd had considered that "too soon".

Hell, I doubt they expected it to last even this long.

i guess that this eggman is cruel.. and is someone to be feared... but, robotnik actually looked evil... but i guess like the saying goes; don't judge a book by its cover... but i can still imagine finitevus being a practicer of necromancy and bringing back the old robotnik and having sonic fight his old nemesis.. but i digress.. i could also imagine with this necromancy thing that shadow is intrigued enough to team up with finitevus if he promises to bring back Maria..

finitevus isn't a necromancer, that's a little too pg-13 for this book.

I sort of wonder what the obsession is with bringing back "old" Robotnik. It seems that their backstories were almost identical meaning that for the most part he IS that old Robotnik who had the same relations with all the major characters, and probably a lot of the same events worked out in a similar fashion. He is just from another zone where the ultimate battle turned out differently. And what happened differently is in and of itself a good story -- at the brink of losing, Julian turns his own roboticization machine on himself. This is a guy who'd sooner repudiate his own basic humanity rather than concede defeat. And his desperate move worked. THIS Robotnik was able to permanently put his version of Sonic out of commission, just as "prime" Sonic emerged alive from the final fight with HIS version of Eggman. So they're both facing a version of the enemy they already defeated in their home zones... which makes their fight the all-time tie-breaker. Kinda cool, IMHO.

welcome to the forums!

i like the way you put it. they are kinda of perfect to pit against each other.

For me, my fascination with the old Robotnik stems with his character design. I just like how the tub of lard looked better than the current one.

The reasoning behind the killing off the original Robotnik in #50, iirc, was they thought the comic was going to be canceled. SatAM was already canceled, and they thought they were going to get the ax as well.

I too, liked the way the original looked and acted. That said, I grew up watching SatAM. I think today's Robo is too much like the video game's Eggman.

I want him to come back if only to negate that stupid story they did in 108. That wasn't the return of Robotnik...that was camp filler. XD

basically as i said above, i know and apologize if i keep repeating myself, but it feels that the original r. wasn't in the comic series long enough. i liked his character design.

you get used to one villain, then it changes (not by much, i know because the new eggman is practically the same).

i don't know, it's hard for me to explain.

there was enough soap opera drama in the comics that it was practically pg-13 material... and i never stated finitevus WAS a Necromancer.. i just merely stated i could imagine him to be one.. we dont know the limits of his power yet now do we?

: s:: thanks for the welcome, though I tend not to post much.

Well if you just prefer his character design that's really just an aesthetic reasoning I wouldn't argue with since I think newer Robotnik looks cartoonier (and thus less menacing). But I've noticed a lot of people thinking he's inferior to the first incarnation and I kind of wonder why it is that almost no one plays up the things he has going for him that the old version didn't. It ain't ALL bad.

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I sort of wonder what the obsession is with bringing back "old" Robotnik. It seems that their backstories were almost identical meaning that for the most part he IS that old Robotnik who had the same relations with all the major characters, and probably a lot of the same events worked out in a similar fashion. He is just from another zone where the ultimate battle turned out differently. And what happened differently is in and of itself a good story -- at the brink of losing, Julian turns his own roboticization machine on himself. This is a guy who'd sooner repudiate his own basic humanity rather than concede defeat. And his desperate move worked. THIS Robotnik was able to permanently put his version of Sonic out of commission, just as "prime" Sonic emerged alive from the final fight with HIS version of Eggman. So they're both facing a version of the enemy they already defeated in their home zones... which makes their fight the all-time tie-breaker. Kinda cool, IMHO.

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That's what I've always thought, too. In my mind, the old Robotnik's world and the new Robotnik's world were exactly identical up until the final Sonic vs. Robotnik fight in #50, except in that reality Robotnik won and the Freedom Fighters were wiped out. Robotnik roboticized himself to avoid his own death, appeared in #19 and #22, and then came to our Robotnik's reality. Virtually identical people, different body.

That being said, I do prfer the old Robotnik's design too.

i don't care for robotnik really. so i'm not too upset that the original is gone forever. i prefer this version of him the same way as i like the newer version of sonic i guess.

You know what.

Next time I talk to Ian on the phone I'm gonna convince him that he needs to bring back AoSTH Robotnik, SatAM Robotnik, Eggman Robotnik, Fleetway Robotnik, Robo-Robotnik, Sonic-X Robotnik, and Doctor Kintobor from the Anti-Dimension...

...dress them all up in various El-Grand Gordo outfits

...and then spend the entire issue having each and every one of them wrestle the other in a gigantic bowl full of lime green gelatin.

Sonic can sit there and watch.

Sally and Amy can be the cheerleaders.

Naturally, the winner of the match shall be Coconuts by default.

Have the entire issue drawn by Many Hands.

Dedicate it to the memory of Ike Turner.

Release it as "A Very Special Issue of Sonic the Hedgehog" just like those episodes of Blossom from back in the day.

End it with a GI Joe Public Service Announcement moral.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN I THINK WE HAVE OUR NEXT ISSUE OF SONIC X!

... XD That'd be epic. Do it! Ian would be like "LOLno."

Jonathan H. Gray, I do believe I love you.

edit: Also, I'm drawing that, I call dibs.

Do it, Dubs. I dare you. If only for Ian's reaction.

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XD at what Jon Gray said. I miss u dub.

gaaah~ the mental images! ><;

xD BLOSSOM. Hilarious. Do it, that's damned hilarious.

GI JOE service announcement at the end would be epic win.

The "current" Robotnik and the "old" Robotnik are, as Tyoria pointed out, the same character.

And more importantly, people are always saying that this Robotnik is more goofy than the original. This is flat out, unambiguously and undeniably false, and I don't know why people seem to hold to this idea so tenaciously. If anything, the old Robotnik was goofier than this one!

i think that the new design of eggman doesnt look evil to me i guess.. i will say that this one actually looks like he is physically able to move around.. i liked the idea of this eggman, being in this design but with the dark blue metallic shell, and lets add the red glowing eyes underneath the glasses.. i suppose we should be all glad that they didnt kill off this eggman just to drag in the realistic sonic next gen eggman..

Dirk Amoeba, when people say the new Robotnik is goofy, I believe most people are talking about his looks more than anything else, I know I do. Maybe it is the way he has been drawn lately.

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Ack! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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Dirk Amoeba, when people say the new Robotnik is goofy, I believe most people are talking about his looks more than anything else.

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Are we even talking about the same rotund, stubby-limbed, beady-red-eyed, cone-headed dictator? The one with multiple chins and a bright yellow cape to go with his bright red onesie with tremendous shoulder...things?

The older Robotnik was no more serious or scary than the current Robotnik. I thought he was pretty menacing and scary in Endgame too, but that might be because I was nine.

I'd have thought the only thing that makes that Robotnik inherently scary is his voice from SatAm - if you mentally hear that voice when reading his comic appearances, that could make him scarier by association.

And if you don't mentally hear it, it's "ha ha that guy has a pointed head!".

In the incredibly early issues, I always heard Long John Baldry's robotnik voice coming from the SatAM model.

^ Agreed.

Jim Cummings was the only thing that made the old Robotnik menacing.

I still think Balrdy was the best Robotnik VA. He had the best blend of goofy and menacing.

Of course, he's the only Robotnik VA I heard till I was 17, so I'm a bit biased.

Baldry was an awesome Robotnik, it's true.

Baldry was the Robotnik VA in AoStH, right, or was in in the games? Jim Cummings was my favorite Robotnik VA, it is a matter of personal taste, I just liked his approach to the character the best. Also, I thought the Sat a.m. design of Robotnik was somewhat meancing, and that went along with his voice. I agree that how one pictures Robotnik's voice does have an impact. I picture Jim's voice, although it is getting harder to have that mental picture in the comic.