Incorrect. Read on in that thread and you'll see he was calmed down and wont let a few net trolls drag him down, of which I think the guy has balls of steel and would like to shake his hand for. After that Sonic CuLT stuff a few years back, I can only imagine what a hard time he's been going through and to soldier on despite that shows strength and resolve most of us can only dream about.
So, maybe he deserves an honest and clean shot without being dragged down. As much as I would personally laugh at the idea of a SatAM revival, I have no place in this world telling a man with the resources, dedication and talent to pull it off that he should give up.
So, in short. AnimatorX is a strong man to deal with our crap and still soldier on. Maybe we should respect him, if nothing else.
Just further proof he's an evil robot from the future. *folds arms* Nobody with a name ending in X is a good guy.
@ Craig: He's just said that he has calmed down...he has yet to say he is still "for" or "against" continuing his revival. He says he'll stick around...I hope he does.
I have no place in this world telling a man with the resources, dedication and talent to pull it off that he should give up.
It took Sonmanic to bring him to his seneses and to keep him in the game...praise be to Sonmanic?
So, in short. AnimatorX is a strong man to deal with our crap and still soldier on. Maybe we should respect him, if nothing else.
If he survives the sonic fandom and makes his pitch, regardless of the outcome...he should get a gold medal. Guys like him shouldn't have to go through stuff like this...
Just further proof he's an evil robot from the future. *folds arms* Nobody with a name ending in X is a good guy.
DISAGREEMENT!
ALAS I AM FOIL-ED!
Well, this is certainly interesting.
If anything, I'm going to have to agree with what's been said about needing a reboot of the series. Hell, they did it with the Ninja Turtles with varying degrees of success (two TV series and a CG movie, all of which weren't half bad, considering their target audience).
But, I'm not going to hold my breath for this, instead I'm just going to just wait and see what happens, though I wouldn't mind checking up on the project every now and then, or at least rumours.
Good luck in your endeavour, Matt, wherever the course may take you.
Technically, there's only been one Turtles TV series. Fast Forward was just season six. Season seven is called Back to the Sewers... *slunks away back into his shadowy corner* >>
Just further proof he's an evil robot from the future. *folds arms* Nobody with a name ending in X is a good guy.
Also, Rider X from Speed Racer. Jeez, the Satam fandom is more vicious than I remember. But with everything Sonmanic pulled it's justified. Having missed the drama with that, I found out his legacy still reverberates around the fandom and others places too. A very disturbing individual.
Anyway, AnimatorX, do what you can to erase the memory of that no-talent from the fandom.
Also, Rider X from Speed Racer.
I would also have accepted Weapon X or Soldier X.
Not Proffessor X though, he's a prat.
If this guy can pull off a SatAM revival, more power to him. I'm not going to get my hopes up, but I'll support him.
FUS link? If he's putting up with the weird sisters AND mau? The man has the patience of a saint.
~Tobe
And Shia's too old for Tails.
And Dolly Parton for Bunnie. WTF?
.......Yea sorry about that, that was the caffine talking.....gotta stop drinking so many soadas, anywho gammarallyson you do know that white has played the voice of sonic in every U.S. made sonic cartoon don't you?
So. Did you know that he voiced the three siblings from 'Sonic Underground'. That's Sonic, Manic and Sonia?
Sonia?
... SONIA?!?
After that, I just didn't want to hear him voicing Sonic ever again! XD
Technically, there's only been one Turtles TV series. Fast Forward was just season six. Season seven is called Back to the Sewers... *slunks away back into his shadowy corner* >>
Well even better to know that it's reached seven seasons. There still may be hope yet!
Wow I can't believe I remembered my password.
I think it's funny that after Sonmanic calmed Matt down... you guys still say he has balls of steal XD
And before anyone asks, ... I'm not too into this right now. I wish Matt good luck but this is less of a SatAM revival and more of a guy trying to make his own series. Personally I think he should make his own original series instead of chasing after Sonic. He's totally got the goods to do that.
Why won't my avatar show up? ...
God I just spent like 10 minutes on a sig. No wonder I left ezboard.
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I think it's funny that after Sonmanic calmed Matt down... you guys still say he has balls of steal XD
It's funny to say the least. But it would be a hendering alliance if Sonmanic and Matt's pairing were to get any deeper then just telling the guy to "stay in the game".
I wish Matt good luck but this is less of a SatAM revival and more of a guy trying to make his own series.
How so? I mean, it's got Sonic and the Freedom Fighters in it. Knothole and Robotropolis. It takes place on Mobius. He says he's going to (or at least is trying to) get some of the original VAs and cartoon creators to work with him. It's being labeled as a SATAM show.
Personally I think he should make his own original series instead of chasing after Sonic. He's totally got the goods to do that.
The first show (or movie) that reminds me of SATAM, but isn't, is RED DAWN. Mobotropolis is the town of Calumet. The Wolverines the Freedom Fighters. The Soviets, Robotnik's troops.
....I don't see why some fans would get all up in his face for trying to revive/rehash a show, I mean theres always been a sonic show on TV one way or another (& i don't know about you but im tired of SonicX reruns) I say more power to ya animatorX
So. Did you know that he voiced the three siblings from 'Sonic Underground'. That's Sonic, Manic and Sonia?
Sonia?
... SONIA?!?
After that, I just didn't want to hear him voicing Sonic ever again! XD
Just because Jaleel voiced Sonia you don't want Jaleel to voice sonic again?? Come on! He does sonic perfectly! Sonia was a stretch but he didn't do half bad voicing her.
If the show is greenlighted I see it as being a "Transformers Animated" thing MAYBE. With the hardcore screaming noooooooooooooo blasphemy noooo TeenTitans nnnoooooo!!! And then finally watch the show and be like omg this is sweet! (Wreck Gar is so cool) But anyway yeah. If they're lucky it will be like that and fans will be very positive about it. But a big thing about Transformers Animated is that it's saturated to the hilt with retro easter eggs. But even without them the show stands well on its own two feet.
What I don't want to happen - It drags in all - ALL of the archie comic characters into it. Ugh I just couldn't stand it if it turns into a cartoon version of the comic. But I'm fine with core freedom fighters.
If its a remake of SatAM maaaaybe Sega will be like, not so quick to want to include so much of the Sega-verse. If anything I'd dig it if the story includes the chaos emeralds and M.E. which of course brings Knuckles as well. And perhaps if I'm extremely fortunate, they include Amy Rose just for the hell of it.
So what I'd want. Core Freedom Fighters + Knuckles and Amy and I'm a happy camper.
Oh and Nack. I just love Nack. I love bounty hunters in general. They cause so much mischief.
SONMANIC didn't DIRECTLY calm me down. I calmed down after yelling at him for 10 minutes. Afterwards, I had expended all my rage ^-^
good for you, its good to let your anger out through words not violence.....anywho X i was wondering will Knuckles, Chaotix or the dark legion be considered for the reevive/rehash?
"The serveres are the seven chaos, chaos is power enriched by the heart"
ancient Echindna text.
SONMANIC didn't DIRECTLY calm me down. I calmed down after yelling at him for 10 minutes. Afterwards, I had expended all my rage ^-^
That sounds more like the sonmanic we know!
If this does get off the ground, a few suggestions:
In SatAM Sally was generally "the chick," and a Mary Sue, and it would be better if that could be avoided as it works even less now IMO.
The Chaotix? 
And if it does get off the ground, please return Tails to his rightful place. Sally was good and all, but she really shouldn't have taken Tails's spot.
Well X if the show gets greenlite i think you should ask the guys at archie to write an episode or two [preferbly ken penders or Ian Flynn] I bet they could come up with some good stories.
Oh lawd, no Penders. No no no. That'd be crossing-the-streams bad.
....so SA im guessing your not a fan of penders work, i like the guy ok myself...well if not penders he could always call over to the jolly ol U.K. & get Nigel kitching [STC] to write one.
SONMANIC didn't DIRECTLY calm me down. I calmed down after yelling at him for 10 minutes. Afterwards, I had expended all my rage ^-^
Wow, when and where did that happen?
SONMANIC didn't DIRECTLY calm me down. I calmed down after yelling at him for 10 minutes. Afterwards, I had expended all my rage ^-^
Wow, when and where did that happen?
I'm also curious about this.
Best of luck to you, MysteriousAnimatorX.
No doubt Richard was already emailing/IMing him as soon as he heard the news. MAX, the less contact you have with sonmanic... the better. Word of advice, though I'm sure you're all too familiar already.
Also get used to having all kinds of stupid requests made about who should be in and what a new SatAM needs to be (besides the painfully obvious). Right now it's Christmas time in the SatAM community and all the kiddies want their turn on Santa's lap.
Personally I think he should make his own original series instead of chasing after Sonic.
No offence at all to Sonique, whose dedication I respect and who I've known for years, but... Given the complete lack of relevance of SatAM to any other part of the Sonic franchise and the way that the one sole other character on Sonic's side at the time was relegated to a grade school-aged irrelevance (and lucky to escape being a thumb-sucking, overweight four year old in a cowboy hat) behind a Mary-Sue princess and a bunch of random rich kids dreamt up by the show's writers, am I the only one who finds that statement just a wee bit ironic in a pot-kettle kind of way?
It won't be the SatAM we know and love because times change. The cast've aged, the storyline and the feel of the animation and storyline've aged... and most of all because we've aged. Personally, I'd give someone the benefit of the doubt in a situation like this, just to see what they do with it - it's not as though the original didn't have flaws that couldn't be worked on.
I am sad that some fans treated Animator X so badly. He does have courage to talk about his plans to Sonic fandom, because I knew people would start to bombard him with what they wanted in a series. This makes me concerned to, because there are certain fans that I don't want to have an influence if a new series does happen.
After what Ken did to the comic, I don't think he should be in a Sonic project ever again.
I would be wary about Amy being in a cartoon revival of Sonic Sat a.m., for reasons I will not go into.
No doubt Richard was already emailing/IMing him as soon as he heard the news.
Yeah, and the fact that he was seen on DA calling Matt's current concept art "terrible". As if Sonmanic had any right to criticize Matt's concept art. Considering the fact Sonmanic STOLE his concept art for his SATAM pitch a few years ago.
Right now it's Christmas time in the SatAM community and all the kiddies want their turn on Santa's lap.
Yeah and let's hope that, at the end of the day, Santa can still make it to his sleigh and deliver the presents come Christmas Day.
.....Well I'm rooting for x myself hope he can pull it off, give us somthing deceant to watch on TV again, in fact i think more people should follow his lead & start reviving classic 90's toons (& mabye some 80's ones as well.)
Yeah, and the fact that he was seen on DA calling Matt's current concept art "terrible". As if Sonmanic had any right to criticize Matt's concept art. Considering the fact Sonmanic STOLE his concept art for his SATAM pitch a few years ago.
Man, I wish I knew where all of this is happening. Last time I checked Sonamic's DA page he was praising Animator X's work and dedication. Don't know if he was being sincere about it since he was also trying to defend himself from his Encyclopedia Dramatica page near the same time.
Ah, Sonmanic is Richard Kuta? This suddenly makes so much more sense.
Man, I wish I knew where all of this is happening. Last time I checked Sonamic's DA page he was praising Animator X's work and dedication.
About Sally, I would be concerned about her character development in an Sat a.m. revival, and I would hope she wouldn't change that much. In the comic, the way Sally's character changed ruined things IMO. I am glad Ian brought her back to more of the way she was, even if she is a Mary-Sue. I think I would rather Sally stay Mary-Suish(both in the cartoon and comic), unless it could be done better, now that I have seen an alterative in the comic and didn't like the results.
I am fine with Tails having a bigger role, though ideally not at another characters' expense, and I like to think it could be done that way.
If an Sat a.m. revival does happen, I know at least some of the cast members would have to be replaced. I wouldn't mind as long as the replacements were just a good or better.
I want Jalel to voice Sonic >.> Who else would they call? Ryan? Jason? ugh. My fantasy wants Jaleel's voice again but the chances of that are slim.
And Sally? A mary sue? When has she ever been portrayed as "perfection" ? When? When?? I'm not talking about the comic just the cartoon.
And if it does get off the ground, please return Tails to his rightful place. Sally was good and all, but she really shouldn't have taken Tails's spot.
Tails' rightful place? Watch AoStH lol.
well I think what they mean is sally saw her self as a mary sue in the series, & admittingly in the 1st season of satam & the 1st 20 or so issues of the comic she acted very mary-sueish. But frankly I kinda liked that about sally....now all I can say is if Knuckles is included in the series I hope He's the total B.A. anti-social Trap setting tough guy we all remember from the early Games & comics, I don't want to sound rude but lets face it Knuckles has gone soft these past few years, but I know He's Still a total B.A. deep down.
The serveres are the seven chaos, chaos is power enriched by the heart"
ancient Echindna text.
times have changed soooo
the freedom fighters...
promote TERRORISM??
*dramatic prarie dog stare!*
The insurgent rebel furries lead by O Sonic bin Hedgehog carrying out guerilla attacks on the global superpower, (Robotnik) and after many years of it a large percentage of the swatbots want to pull the other swatbots out of the war in knothole while everyone complains about rising power ring prices. Some people say they should explore for more power rings but big power ring companies are blamed for not doing it.
Some want alternative energy sources like chaos emeralds. Little do they know.... the real bad guy is Knuckles the insane enviromentalist!!
Disclaimer at the beginning of ever episode : "We apologize for all of the corporate SEGA-isms that were forced, weaseled, and/or shoehorned into the following movie. We regret that SEGA values its own attempts at maintaining some semblance of canon, and its own agenda, over its own fanbase. Please try to block these discrepancies out of your mind and enjoy, as best you can, the feature we are less than proud to present. Thank you."
Watch AoStH lol
In terms of a better portrayal of Tails? Yes, I'd happily say that AoStH did a better job than SatAM. They might've made him very young, but they let him be what he was meant to be: the techie and the friggin' sidekick!
He wasn't lucky if he was even got one appearance per episode, let alone a spoken line - he was young and he might as well've carried around his own pre-written ransom note at tines, but he was always there and also seen portrayed as a mechanical genius and had an episode number in double figures where he actually pulled Sonic's spiny rear out of the proverbial fire in one way or another.
I'm as respecting of a good storyline as anyone, but my opinion on Princess Mary-Sue and her clique is well known and boiled down here (there was a 1,000 word limit - the original version had about 700 more words and more detail) - I got rather bored of being told how great she was by all and sundry (including her) when I should've been able to figure that out myself from watching the narrative.
I'm not one of those fans who describe any original character as a Mary-Sue, but I do define Mary-Sues as those characters that take attention away from the canon characters, and to a lesser extent those that the entire cast have to keep foregrounding as unfathomably perfect and that all have to be exceptionally "special" - magic powers (or some equally substitute bit of tech *coughNicolecough*), hideously coincidental contacts and/or rich relatives that let them get into everything...
The canon consisted of Tails and Robotnik at that point, and the show had to have a villain so Robotnik got off lightly.
But the only other good guy got their role completely obliterated, the sidekick position given to Sally, the techie position given to Rotor and their screen time completely pressed out by DiC's original characters.
Rather than having it legitimised by being on TV, if we were reading it on FanFiction.net and equivalent time and prominence was given to characters with identical traits named (for example) Princess Twinkletoes the hedgehog and her cowardly butler, a half-robot fox that could shoot lasers and suchlike whilst Tails sat around in the background and even Sonic didn't seem to be the main character in his own narrative, how many of us - even at the time SatAM was created - would honestly've described that as a good fic?
Had Tails gotten a bit more parity, I'd have said that a cast of hero, sidekick and villain could stand up to a bit of fleshing out - but I find it a bit hard to justify it when cast members who were already there to fill certain roles were supplanted and downright ignored.
9 out of 10 times I see the term "Mary-Sue' used on the internet, it's being used completely out of context.
Some of you have no idea what you're complaining about.
Then please do enlighten us, rather than just telling us that we're wrong and leaving it at that. Discuss! Discuss! 
I tend to work with the definitions here and here.
I'm well aware that Morpheus from Sandman gets around 75% on ye olde Mary-Sue Litmus Test and it doesn't necessarily make for a bad narrative if well-written - but in this case, it had canon expectations to live up to and it didn't work for me. Sally-Sue really did just get in the way.
Don't forget that Tails didn't officially become a Freedom Fighter until the third to the last episode. It took two whole seasons for Tails to reach the level he should've been at the start? WTF?
The games had already established that, though he was young, Tails was pretty much on the same level as Sonic, and one of the few characters to actually be able to keep up with him. So what happens on the show? He gets shunted to the background character that rarely gets any screentime. As a Tails fan, it's insulting.
Read that IMDB comment I linked to in my long post (I'm at work at the moment, and linking was quicker than repeating myself) - I wholeheartedly agree.
You know, I've had my own thoughts as to how they could fit in SatAM-related characters into a more modern-day Sonic setting. Granted, I'm aware of the whole "I can't use your ideas because of big fat royalty checks" business, but honestly, I don't really mind, and if nothing else, you could just ignore this post. 🙂
So, without further ado:
- For starters: Sonic takes place on Earth now, guys. Has for a good while. So, in a nod to the "original" name for the planet, and to make the monarchy thing seem more realistic (seeing as plenty of military geniuses have attempted world conquest, but none have ever really pulled it off - two of them invading Russia didn't help), the adventures would take place on a small island called Mobius Island, with the Great Forest spanning most of it, Mobotropolis being the major economic center, perhaps Downunda being just off the south coast, etc. It's not like Sonic's never done adventures on small islands before, either; Pretty much every Genesis Sonic title has been on a small island:
- Sonic 1: South Island.
- Sonic 2: Westside Island.
- Sonic 3&K: Angel Island.
- Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island
- Knuckles Chaotix: Newtrogic High Zone (which, incidentally, is Eggman's base built on... an island)
- SegaSonic the Hedgehog (okay, this is an arcade game, but same era, so!): Eggman Island
- Naturally, this is where the Chaos Emeralds have decided to arbitrarily flock off to like they always do in every video game. Thus, Eggman takes an interest in the island as a means to his end of obtaining said gems (which are themselves the means to the end of world domination). He heads over, and, not seeing a need for unnecessary bloodshed, worms his way into King Max's favor through offers of trade - his ingenuity in designing various contraptions (IQ of 300, natch) in exchange for permission to go seek out the Emeralds. This generally works out quite fine...
- ...until he gets the first one. When Max sees how much more powerful Eggman's machines get after he obtains the first emerald, he begins to get suspicious. This ultimately leads up to a standoff between the two men. However, Eggman has found a way to tap into the Emerald's power and change matter entirely from organic to mechanical, through a process called "roboticization". In addition, this process brainwashes the victim in any fashion the culprit sees fit. Eggman decides it'd be best to take the already-established town as his new base of operations, and begins to invade en masse with an army of his robots. Soon, the city of Mobotropolis is under his rule, and most of the populace is either roboticized or pending roboticization. He casually deems his new city Robotropolis (tempted to say "Eggmanland", but that'd be a little too far off the beaten path). He proceeds to continue to seek out the emeralds, seeing that this could be a powerful tool with which to take control of the world's most powerful heads of power.
- Some people obviously escape roboticization, hiding deep within the forest in a small town known as Knothole Village. It's a far cry from the modern society they had with Mobotropolis, but they make do. Led by Princess Sally Acorn (who wears clothes this time, considering no modern Sonic female doesn't), they begin to plot a way to take back their island. [/list:u:d7313666b0] [*]Sonic, concerned that he hasn't heard from Eggman in a while, consults with Tails to see if the wily villain is up to anything nefarious. Tails notes that a large cloud of smog has appeared literally overnight over a small island in the Pacific, and that, according to his readings, Chaos Emerald energy is involved. Sonic takes the hint, and the two hop into the Tornado to check out what's happening...
- Arriving on Mobius Island, Sonic is immediately met with not only the usual Eggman robots which fall to a quick bop on the head, but incredibly elaborate machines resembling furries that he can't destroy no matter how hard he tries (although they can be temporarily knocked-out). Yep, Eggman's doing, alright.
- Still, Sonic and Tails make contact with the refugees in Knothole. They explain the situation - being the Princess, Sally was aware of Eggman's deal with her father to search out the Chaos Emeralds, right down to the name of the gems. She's figured out that the emeralds must have some sort of relation to Eggman's fearsome new power, but they're unaware if there's a way to reverse the effects. Sonic, keen as ever to be a pain in Eggman's backside, volunteers to help bring the makeshift dictator down, especially considering everyone's favorite MacGuffins are involved. Tails, meanwhile, theorizes that the roboticization process could be reverted through the powers of all seven Chaos Emeralds, meaning not only do they have to find the remaining six, but they have to get that last one out of Eggman's greedy paws as well. Adventure begins. [/list:u:d7313666b0]Thoughts?
[/list:u:d7313666b0]So, yeah.
I love how the first thing I see on Toonzone today is Kuta appearing, trying to explain HIS project in depth, and then demanding apologies from everyone. This is all so confusing as to what's going on.
So, let me see if I get the gist (sp?) of this: MAX here is a professional who is genuinely taking steps to get this project off the ground, but sonmanic suddenly pops up again to badmouth this while trying to draw attention once more to his failed project?
I love how the first thing I see on Toonzone today is Kuta appearing, trying to explain HIS project in depth, and then demanding apologies from everyone. This is all so confusing as to what's going on.
So, let me see if I get the gist (sp?) of this: MAX here is a professional who is genuinely taking steps to get this project off the ground, but sonmanic suddenly pops up again to badmouth this while trying to draw attention once more to his failed project?
And here I thought Sonmanic was trying to become a professional... in something (?). = P
I love how the first thing I see on Toonzone today is Kuta appearing, trying to explain HIS project in depth, and then demanding apologies from everyone. This is all so confusing as to what's going on.
So, let me see if I get the gist (sp?) of this: MAX here is a professional who is genuinely taking steps to get this project off the ground, but sonmanic suddenly pops up again to badmouth this while trying to draw attention once more to his failed project?
Yea pretty much
& shadow hog your Idea sounds a little to sonicXish, frankly id just like a straight foward update to SATAM (with the addtion of Angel island, The Special zone Downunda, Tundara, Station Square, & The Casino Night Zone.) (I'd like to See Knuckles The Chaotix & the legion animated as well, That would make me a happy camper.)
"The serveres are the seven chaos, chaos is power enriched by the heart"
ancient Echindna text.
Thing is, I wouldn't. Sonic already has way too many universes. Oh, Sonic... How did we adapt thee? Let me count the ways.
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Surely you can see why I'm reluctant to add any more confusion to an already-confusing mess. I mean, unlike, say, Mega Man, where the originals were followed by X followed by Zero followed by ZX followed by Legends, with the only alternate universe being Battle Network followed by Star Force, all the above are distinct continuities. At least with my idea, you could feasibly tie it in with the first one and not alienate too many people. If you tried to just drag up SatAM itself, people will go "huh? Mobius? what the heck IS this?" and either ignore it or get extremely confused.
Hence why I don't really think you CAN do SatAM straight anymore. Ergo, I was thinking up a way to make it work given the current state of the series.
