Mina would turn SatAM into Degrassi the Animated Series featuring Sonic the Hedgehog.
Is that any worse than Princess Sally and the Freedom Fighters: featuring what's supposed to be Sonic the Hedgehog?
Yes. You may hate Sally. Thats ok. But do you realy want two girls fighting over Sonic in the exact same setting? Do you really want unwanted drama of the sort only a teenybopper could appreciate?
The sonic/sally thing can be balanced. But the addition of Mina....
Its SatAM. And I think if there are to be additions. The most important ones should be Segaverse characters.
If there is a remake, it may be hard to put Mina, or any other rival for Sonic, into the story without becoming a distraction. A love triangle could be interesting to see, but it may or may not work because of the setting of SatAM. If this was a more light-hearted series like Underground or Sonic X then fine, but here they are fighting a war and struggling to survive.
By the way, what does Dan Drazen think of all of this?
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Buttnik in Underground an evil dictator who has taken over the world and roboticize a lot of people like he is in SatAM? And before a mod comes, you may want to take it easy on the relationship stuff as it seem like you might be getting dangerously close, and you don't want a mod yelling at you do you?
Mina would turn SatAM into Degrassi the Animated Series featuring Sonic the Hedgehog.
Make it more like Capcom's Rival Schools and we might have a show!
Taking tests at daylight!
Fighting Headmaster Robotnik's corruption by moonlight!
Love triangles will be a constant sight!
She is the one-- um... oops, got carried away. 😡
Relationship stuff was banned? Oh dear. I didn't know.
I wonder if Drazen even knows about it yet.
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Mina would turn SatAM into Degrassi the Animated Series featuring Sonic the Hedgehog.
I Hated Degrassi......but anyway back on topic i think that the series should see some minor villans as well it would be aesome to see meatal sonic, Bean&bark, & the Destructix..& heck mabye even scourge & the ss if the story can fit em in...(but it would be heaven if the legion & fini made it in the new show!)
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Relationship stuff was banned? Oh dear. I didn't know.
I wonder if Drazen even knows about it yet.
Pretty sure that rule's been in place for a few years now...
Yeah but I ignore this forum. Never come here. I only showed up when I found out about this possible revival.
Anyway. Matt is so busy with other work that he is putting his preparations of the Pitch on Hiatus for an indefinate amount of time.
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Buttnik in Underground an evil dictator who has taken over the world and roboticize a lot of people like he is in SatAM? And before a mod comes, you may want to take it easy on the relationship stuff as it seem like you might be getting dangerously close, and you don't want a mod yelling at you do you?
Sorry about that, it was just speculation. I'll be more careful from now on.
For SU, Robotnick was a dictator, but his character was toned down to fit the motif of the show. He was still menacing, but maybe not as much as his SatAM counterpart. For example, why rely on mercs like Sleet and Dingo when you own almost everything and everybody in the world?
He owned the planet politically AND financially. There was no real reason for him to.
I was particularly impressed with SU Robotnik. Since the aristocracy provided all of his funding, he left them alone, but all the commoners and resistance members were sentenced to the roboticizer. It was almost like a callback to the pre-French Revolution era.
Good point Kayla, I forgot that SU Robotnick blackmailed the aristocrats into following him with being roboticized as punishment. Guess I was wrong about that part of SU; bringing constant fear to an oppressed people is much more menacing than just roboticizing everyone. Sure, Robotnick would have a planet of mindless slaves working for him, but leaving some panicking over how to appease him can be more satisfying.
Not to mention, SU made it feel like Robotnik really did have complete control over the planet, what with all the locations the triplets went to. It really felt like Mobius was more than just a small village, a forest, and a city.
True. If you want to rule the world you kind of have to leave the population intact. In SatAM what was he going to do after he robotisized everyone? Just be content? There would be no life left to serve him.
So this begs the question. Will the Freedom Fighters be traveling a lot? Knothole really can't be considered an adequete hiding place for an extended period of time the way it is now. In Sonic Underground, the siblings went all across mobius to connect with many underground rebel forces. There was a bounty on their heads so they always had to move around. And on a few instances minor characters were robotisized because they were helping them, supporting the notion that no one location was safe. Now that giant scooby-doo van also stuck out like a sore thumb but Sonia and Manic needed a means of transport as well I guess.
SatAM's primary settings were Knothole, Robotropolis, and the Great Forest. Which is something current veiwers might critisize. In all fairness the Great Forest is just a Forest and Knothole isn't very well intergrated into it. It sits in a clearing where trees are cut away that any bot could just chance upon flying over. It was a big plothole that one never did. And the "wash, rinse, repeat" of only haveing 3 primary locations to work an episode around might get tedious.
In mah mind, if knothole is going to come back as a major character/location then it needs to be redesigned so that it makes sense. In fact the entire forest should be. Have the huts built into the giant trees that can literally hold an entire village in its branches. The denser the tree growth the harder a steath-bot could see the huts and homes built in the arching and criss crossing branches. When Knothole sits in a CLEARING Anything could see it from the air. It makes no sense that a stealth-bot didn't follow Dulcy back to Knothole.
My only other suggestion is that Knothole be underground.
Why did'nt Robotnik just blow up the forest in the first place? Or start a large fire? Not very bright.
*Holds hands in the air* Exactly!
Because in SatAM, only the Freedom Fighters resort to terrorist action. Robotnik just tries to round them up the same way any anti-terrorist movement would: expensive machinary, large weapons and an army 500 times bigger than that they fight.
Well, I'm not sure throwing a match or two hundred into the forest would be considered terrorism, no doubt Smokey would be pretty pissed though.
Before Robotnick, Mobotropolis had a lot of resources and 33rd century(?) technology to look after their well being. After the coup, the survivors in Knothole were left with very little to start over. At that time Robotnick probably thought anyone he didn't enslave would eventually starve to death. Although resisting him would put all of Knothole at risk, it's likely they did not have a choice with the whole world at his fingertips. Whatever they did, the Great Forest couldn't keep them hidden forever and it's possible that they constantly struggled with problems like food, water, medical supplies, pollution, etc. They'll have to be mobile or at least diplomatic with other groups to survive.
Yes, yes, these are the type of things they need to keep in mind for this new series. If they can pull this off, Sonic as a franchise might be able to recover ever so slightly. Let's pray for the series to be as good as Transformers Animated.
Still don't think it's gonna happen.
Perhaps, but I'm more hopeful for the animated portion of the franchise than I am for the console portion.
Though all this hoping has come back to bite me a lot here recently.
If they can pull this off, Sonic as a franchise might be able to recover ever so slightly.
In the US. Maybe.
Don't forget that Archie has comparatively no relevance outside the US and Canada (where it's actually licenced), and SatAM hasn't been seen for a long, long time (for example, fifteen years in terms of UK terrestrial TV, and only on one of the lesser digital channels). The series itself is now older than its target demographic. That's why, even without this being the post-SA era of the franchise, I've always been sceptical about how much momentum a revival could get.
If they can pull this off, Sonic as a franchise might be able to recover ever so slightly.
In the US. Maybe.
Don't forget that Archie has comparatively no relevance outside the US and Canada (where it's actually licenced), and SatAM hasn't been seen for a long, long time (for example, fifteen years in terms of UK terrestrial TV, and only on one of the lesser digital channels). The series itself is now older than its target demographic. That's why, even without this being the post-SA era of the franchise, I've always been sceptical about how much momentum a revival could get.
This is true. Though, Sonic on a whole has almost always been more popular in the west than in Japan, hasn't he? I think I remember reading that somewhere.
I think Parappa the Rapper is more popular than Sonic in Japan XD
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I think Parappa the Rapper is more popular than Sonic in Japan XD
LOL..its True Sonic is much more popular here in the Americas then he is in japan, heck i bet he's even more popular in europe then in japan..Kinda sad but i guess people over their care more about anime girls & giant robots then speedy blue hedgehogs LOL
but yea ive always considered Sonic one of the top 5 here in the U.S. although I'll admit lately he's been a better Comic & cartoon character then a Video game one.
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You say that like its a compliment. Its a flash animation. Of course its done in the U.S. thats all our animators are good for.
They use CorelDRAW and Maya - the show deliberately looks like that because of its stop-motion origins, but they are actually capable of more impressive CGI and have done so (usually for humourous contrast). It's not Flash.
isn't Buttnik in Underground an evil dictator who has taken over the world and roboticize a lot of people like he is in SatAM?
Yeah, but unlike SatAm he left most of the world unroboticised, so there's people for him to oppress and they get roboticised if they defy him (or can't pay tax on time).
I actually prefered this. Mobius is suddenly a planet with different people on it instead of just Knothole, the Great Forest and Robotropolis.
And I just like him asking "Are we all having fun? *total silence* Good - because that would be illegal!".
Make it more like Capcom's Rival Schools and we might have a show!
YES.
In fact, let's just have a Rival Schools one anyway!
Robotnik just tries to round them up the same way any anti-terrorist movement would: expensive machinary, large weapons and an army 500 times bigger than that they fight.
Bombing the Great Forest fits with that though - it's not like Robotnik is using the Great Forest for anything.
Why did'nt Robotnik just blow up the forest in the first place? Or start a large fire? Not very bright.
Well, I'm pretty sure Sonic and the freedom fighters would have been able to somehow stop Robotnik from doing that. Robotnik has attempted to destroy the great forest several times in SatAM.
I think Parappa the Rapper is more popular than Sonic in Japan XD
Such an ignorant statement, good sir. You'd be suprised to know that Sonic is infinetly more popular in Europe than in US.
I think Parappa the Rapper is more popular than Sonic in Japan XD
Such an ignorant statement, good sir. You'd be suprised to know that Sonic is infinetly more popular in Europe than in US.
I believe that, didn't the second season of Sonic X first aired in the U.K?
I think Parappa the Rapper is more popular than Sonic in Japan XD
Such an ignorant statement, good sir. You'd be suprised to know that Sonic is infinetly more popular in Europe than in US.
How is it iggnorant? I said he was more popular in europe then in japan & well i guess he might be more popular there then in the U.S. as well. In all Honesty all things considered i'd say both are about even in popualrity. Anyway back on Topic If/When Animator X gets to the pitch I think He should Pitch it tou Either Nick Or Fox becuase those are two networks that are in need of some good toons (well in foxes case good toons appropriate for all ages.)(& ones that arn't 4kids LOL!) but Yea I could see a SATAM Revivel working on Nick since Avatars gone, Or Primetime on FOX heck i'd watch it even if..dare i say it it ended up on CN.
When Animator X gets to the pitch I think He should Pitch it tou Either Nick Or Fox becuase those are two networks that are in need of some good toons (well in foxes case good toons appropriate for all ages.)(& ones that arn't 4kids LOL!) but Yea I could see a SATAM Revivel working on Nick since Avatars gone, Or Primetime on FOX heck i'd watch it even if..dare i say it it ended up on CN.
Could one imagine that image?
"Hey Kids, when Avatar is done, were doing to air a revival of Sonic the Hedgehog!"
"... WHA?"
Sorry, but no matter how you slice it, your suggestion would mean that the SATAM revival would "replace" Avatar, a problem to which happened when Ben10 was snubbed by Teen Titan fans as the show that "replace" Teen Titans. Besides, I always figured that Nick was more focus on straightening their own produced shows?
As for FOX Prime time.
What show is going to give up their Prime time slot for a revival of a decade plus animated childrens series. House, BONES... Till Death? I think not.
CN I could see, because they are desperate for well, SOMETHING (Total Drama Island anyone)?
If SatAM were to ever be brought back I think it should stick to it's roots and go for channels like ABC, CBS, FOX, and NBC. Unless we're talking about a show that couldn't be a Saturday morning show.
ABC's Saturday lineup is Disney Channel's dumping grounds now, as far as I know. I don't remember there being anything on it that Disney Channel doesn't have, and more people probably have cable to watch DC. CBS, I don't even know if they have Saturday cartoons anymore... NBC I know just has things like Veggie Tales. 4Kids' Saturday blocks on FOX & CW... no way. They'd completely destroy it like they did Sonic X. Best place for the show would be on cable.
I believe that, didn't the second season of Sonic X first aired in the U.K?
France, actually. 
CBS, when it isn't showing news, is Nick, Jr. on Saturday mornings just as ABC is Disney only.
CBS, NBC, and ABC aren't really showing cartoons on Saturday mornings anymore. NBC stopped long before the other two did. It's just syndicated FOX & WB now on Saturday mornings or Sunday mornings depending where you live.
I believe that, didn't the second season of Sonic X first aired in the U.K?
France, actually.
Well, there was that thing in Thailand or Malaysia (can't remember off-hand) where it had already burned through a few episodes before anyone in the western hemisphere even knew it existed outside of those scripts that were being auctioned on Yahoo! Japan. Several weeks later the show premiered on French television.
CBS, when it isn't showing news, is Nick, Jr. on Saturday mornings just as ABC is Disney only.
CBS, NBC, and ABC aren't really showing cartoons on Saturday mornings anymore. NBC stopped long before the other two did. It's just syndicated FOX
& WB now on Saturday mornings or Sunday mornings depending where you live.
WB, or rather, CW is now 4KidsCW. So now they have two stations under their thumb. Interesting note: almost immediately upon their taking over children's programming for the station, several edits were noticed in episodes of Spectacular Spider-Man that were in rerun. Mostly time edits and bits from some of the more intense fight scenes.
Cartoon Network seems to be trying to establish their own Saturday morning lineup by airing premieres of a few shows, some of them from their Toonami block. Seems like a viable place if you want to steer clear of 4Kids.
The new SatAM shall be like SwatKats: The Radical Squadron.
Starting 1993,that show was before its time. For a Hanna-Barbera production it sported very anime-esque character designs ,for the females at least, that you'll see just about anybody using for a cat anthro person on DeviantArt.com. And a very mature back drop. It was almost like Batman but with furries. It got canceled for being too violent eventhough the show was like...aimed at the older age group anyway...*shrugs* It really wasn't bad. It was just grungy.
should the new SatAM be grungy? MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm....
The Sliding Scale Of Idealism Vs Cynicism must be addressed!
Your Right DB swat cats was revolutionary, one of the few great gritty shows of the 90's, but i don't think sonic would work like that, star fox mabye, but not sonic, Frankly I hope the animation style is either Traditional U.S. cartoon style like SATAM or AOSTH or Psudo-anime style LIKE TF: Animated or TT. But Yea eithr way i bet it would be good. (Man is it just me or is this thread running out of things to talk about, hmm we could do VA's again, or mabye argue over somthing compleatly random?)
We could always play the "Let's see how many posts it takes to get the thread locked" game.
Kidding, Sam, kidding.
Ugh God no. I'm tired of the fake anime. If it has to be anime style then let a genuine anime studio do the work. The guy who made Boondocks got a real anime studio to do his show.
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Ugh God no. I'm tired of the fake anime. If it has to be anime style then let a genuine anime studio do the work. The guy who made Boondocks got a real anime studio to do his show.
Then it shall be animated by....Nick studioS!!! i kid of course LOL, bet if a real anime company were to do it it should either be Toei, or Gonzo
Or the guys who did Sonic X *shot*
Sonic X was real anime that looked fake!
I believe that, didn't the second season of Sonic X first aired in the U.K?
France, actually.
Well, there was that thing in Thailand or Malaysia (can't remember off-hand) where it had already burned through a few episodes before anyone in the western hemisphere even knew it existed outside of those scripts that were being auctioned on Yahoo! Japan. Several weeks later the show premiered on French television.
CBS, when it isn't showing news, is Nick, Jr. on Saturday mornings just as ABC is Disney only.
CBS, NBC, and ABC aren't really showing cartoons on Saturday mornings anymore. NBC stopped long before the other two did. It's just syndicated FOX
& WB now on Saturday mornings or Sunday mornings depending where you live.WB, or rather, CW is now 4KidsCW. So now they have two stations under their thumb. Interesting note: almost immediately upon their taking over children's programming for the station, several edits were noticed in episodes of Spectacular Spider-Man that were in rerun. Mostly time edits and bits from some of the more intense fight scenes.
Cartoon Network seems to be trying to establish their own Saturday morning lineup by airing premieres of a few shows, some of them from their Toonami block. Seems like a viable place if you want to steer clear of 4Kids.
Man! I for some reason never realized how different today's Saturday morning kids time slot is compared to 10 or 15 years ago. It seems like each network has their own theme with their shows produced by one company. Fox = 4kids, ABC = Disney, CBS = Nick Jr., NBC = Who knows??
I really haven't payed much attention to Saturday morning kids stuff since the "One Saturday Morning" lineup on ABC or the occasional peek at Sonic X when Fox called it's kids lineup "Fox Box".
i have a Season 3 Sonic drawn too. if your interested in seeing it let me know.
I wonder when this X guy will get around to making more concept art.
