I wonder when this X guy will get around to making more concept art.
Chad's helping with this? That's a pleasant surprise, he's got a great style.
Still, they're a long way from anything resembling a viable product.
http://www.satamsonic.com...topic.php?f=38&t=1059
They'll never be anywhere close to a viable product, if you want my personal opinion.
I dun know I kinda believe it can happen. But it'll require some luck. Why do you think its impossible, Toby-kun?
Edit : *cries @ random Soup censor*
http://www.satamsonic.com...topic.php?f=38&t=1059
They'll never be anywhere close to a viable product, if you want my personal opinion.
your probably right ^_^
http://www.satamsonic.com...topic.php?f=38&t=1059
They'll never be anywhere close to a viable product, if you want my personal opinion.
your probably right ^_^
Yeah well if Matt can't do it why should anybody here believe you have a snowball's chance yourself, eh?
http://www.satamsonic.com...topic.php?f=38&t=1059
They'll never be anywhere close to a viable product, if you want my personal opinion.
your probably right ^_^
Yeah well if Matt can't do it why should anybody here believe you have a snowball's chance yourself, eh?
http://www.satamsonic.com...topic.php?f=38&t=1059
They'll never be anywhere close to a viable product, if you want my personal opinion.
your probably right ^_^
Yeah well if Matt can't do it why should anybody here believe you have a snowball's chance yourself, eh?
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http://www.satamsonic.com...topic.php?f=38&t=1059
They'll never be anywhere close to a viable product, if you want my personal opinion.
your probably right ^_^
Yeah well if Matt can't do it why should anybody here believe you have a snowball's chance yourself, eh?
because i have a different approach and well i am that much smarter, eh?
but what do you plan to do?
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but what do you plan to do?
with taking the right necessary steps and a lot of time working on it, it will happen eventually. I have a good feeling about this 
Things take time and im sure you know that but for now lets just have faith in each other. If we put our mind to it we can do anything.
I have a good feeling about this
I dunno, but what I do know is... WE CAN ALL DO IT TOGETHER!
Because we're SONIC HEROES!
WE WON'T GIVE UP, NOT EVER!
http://www.satamsonic.com...topic.php?f=38&t=1059
They'll never be anywhere close to a viable product, if you want my personal opinion.
I wish you'd all been there for what went down... It was hilarious and only proved what a fraud he is. I've never seen someone get so defensive. Seriously, I'd show you guys quotes, but they aren't appropriate for this forum, and I think they might have deleted the original thread.
http://www.satamsonic.com...topic.php?f=38&t=1059
They'll never be anywhere close to a viable product, if you want my personal opinion.
I wish you'd all been there for what went down... It was hilarious and only proved what a fraud he is. I've never seen someone get so defensive. Seriously, I'd show you guys quotes, but they aren't appropriate for this forum, and I think they might have deleted the original thread.
Amen! Agreed on that one 
Being defensive doesn't mean fraudery.
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Being defensive doesn't mean fraudery.
I never meant that his being defensive proved him a fraud. What he ended up saying and how he reacted helped convince me even more that he uses this kind of stuff to get attention. The man flew off the handle when his past pitches that he introduced to other different fanbases to hype them up for something was shown. Evidence showed that he never post updates again, and have the projects went nowhere, he had just said it all to get attention. He's supposedly 35, and he didn't act his age, nor has he ever. When further questioned about his old projects he wanted to revive, he avoided the questions, eventually said he got bored with the ideas and proceeded to cuss people out some more.
There's the key thing to note about all of this is that he stated several times in the thread that he just got bored of some of his projects and stopped. He said that.
He also did not return to the forums to tell people he got bored and stopped.
Now, what evidence, besides the fact he is currently saying that he is working on it, is there that he wont get bored again and abandon the people who give a crap about SatAM.
PS: In the thread he accused Sonic Stadium of trying to smear him as they are a British site and have a British comic which they don't want ruined.
That post made me laugh outloud. Firstly, Site's country of origin =/= forum or forum members. Secondly Fleetway =/= exist for past 8 years. Lastly I laugh at the idea Fleetway fans would want to destroy the idea of SatAM season 3 so it wont ruin Fleetway.
My gosh, what a silly man.
heh. All of this mud slinging type behavior reminds me of political campaigns.
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heh. All of this mud slinging type behavior reminds me of political campaigns.
True that.
He also did not return to the forums to tell people he got bored and stopped. Now, what evidence, besides the fact he is currently saying that he is working on it, is there that he wont get bored again and abandon the people who give a crap about SatAM.
How about this? If you bothered to read the FUS forum, I have always said, right from the beginning, that I was working on a pitch. A PITCH. I never, ever, EVER said this show was a guarantee. And that's where all the chaos came from. Because some Sonic fans took it upon themselves to ASSUME things about a person they've never met. And if it's EVIDENCE you want, you about the images I've posted recently? Or when I made my first revival post? Hmm? I see the poster known as SonicThe Hedgehog ALSO claims he's working on some kind of revival...and I don't see the Sonic fans jumping on HIS case?
In the thread he accused Sonic Stadium of trying to smear him as they are a British site and have a British comic which they don't want ruined.
I most certainly DID NOT. Perhaps if you go back and read what I wrote you'll notice certain words like "maybe" and perhaps" which...oh I don't know...might indicate that I was THEORIZING. Anyone who knows how to read slowly, ought to realize that.
That post made me laugh outloud. Firstly, Site's country of origin =/= forum or forum members. Secondly Fleetway =/= exist for past 8 years. Lastly I laugh at the idea Fleetway fans would want to destroy the idea of SatAM season 3 so it wont ruin Fleetway.
Where on Earth did I ever insinuate that? All I said is that many different Sonic fans like different versions. Sonic X, SATAM, Fleetway, they all have their fans. Again, go back and really READ what I wrote. Don't be so quick to hysterics, like so many fans of so many fandoms are quick to do. In the end it's just a cartoon.
*quote*Where on Earth did I ever insinuate that? All I said is that many different Sonic fans like different versions. Sonic X, SATAM, Fleetway, they all have their fans. Again, go back and really READ what I wrote. Don't be so quick to hysterics, like so many fans of so many fandoms are quick to do. In the end it's just a cartoon. *quote*
you're right, it IS just a cartoon, that's the logic that i try to instill on everyone that makes an satam revival topic. i've been here since 02? and by craig's logic in the other thread, there's generally one or two people a year that make a new topic about the same damn thing. so that'd make what 12 topics? so yeah, no offense to you or anything. but it is just a cartoon, if it gets cancelled, then that's it, it's not that big of a deal.
Okies, first to Mysterious Animator X, just as you're allowed to do as you do, we are allowed to do as we do, and as I think the ideas of a TRUE TO THE ORIGINAL NIMH sequel, a Dragon's Lair movie, a Fraggle Rock movie and a third season or revival of SatAM are ridiculous, you'll have to allow me and other people to be sceptical of you.
Anyone can draw up concept sketches, afterall. Look at the other thread from the Edgehog guy, I doubt he'll go far, but he threw up a concept.
Now, I don't doubt your validity of doing the pitch. I think you are working to that end, and by taping in to the fandom and getting ideas, you're doing a good thing.
HOWEVER.
Firstly. I believe you are doomed to fail. The entire idea seems ridiculous and I heavily doubt it would be in SEGA's best interest to revive a show older than the target demographic which features none of the characters they are selling. Especially after SoA's move to have 4kids provide the in-game voicing to "maintain continuity among mediums" as they excused it.
So, really, seeing that you did the same thing over the past two years and got bored, which is how I read it (apologies if I read wrong, but it is your phrasing, so be clearer. Afterall, the word bored was used), I see no reason why you wont do so again.
If you pull it off, cool, but heck at this time you're ten thousand miles away from a pitch which any rational person would assume wont go well. Cynicism is more or less the standard approach, especially from people who couldn't give a crap either way.
As for the laughter. Please don't be so personal. You wrote something off-handedly which was not intended to be a definition of your character, I get that. I also found it funny. I know it's not what you truly believe, because I doubt you care that much, as I don't care too much about your pitch. It's just the spirit of message board discussions. Everything you say is up in text and open to analysis from all angles. Just as, if you replied harshly to this, it wouldn't matter to me as this post does not represent who I am in reality, so too should be the same with you.
Deal with this crap. Only those who believe in their heart of hearts that they have a shot of a dead show coming back from the grave (which is about as much a childish fantasy as mom and dad getting back together if they divorced) will shower you with happy praise forever, everyone else will at best think you're a person working on an impossible dream or at worst a glory hog riding the hype.
Now, HS77, the number I quoted was not meant as a serious number. It happens on and off, and topics about the idea of reviving the show appear every few months, but please don't quote the number as if it were fact. I apologise for putting such a brash number.
True but if this Matt person is in the industry he stands a better chance than anybody else who probably don't even have proper training or understanding of how cartoons are made. If Matt fails then fine. Nothing changes. But if he makes the cut then I'm glad. Craig I think this Matt guy probably understands the steep possibilities of this Pitch taking off I think thats the main point he's trying to make. He's not going into this knowing deep down that he's going to succeed.
true that.
Though we've yet to see any real proof he's "in the industry" other than his word. And just being "in the industry" guarantees nothing. Without an established portfolio of published work he's no better than edgehog here.
Ken Penders had more of a chance that this guy, and we all know what went down with that.
Way to rise that post count there. edgehog
Could someone tell me this. Let's say that THIS revival somehow succeeds and a network decided to pick this up, using the character which are now featured in Archie, would the studio, television networks would have to pay SEGA & Archie royalties to use character such as Sally, Bunnie, Rotor (etc). As well the company who released the SAT AM DVD?
YES. That's how licensing works. Sega has full control of any character established in the DiC shows and the comic as per their contract. Fleetway, too. Everything. It's theirs. And they have a right to licensing fees because of this.
Archie and Shout Factory get NOTHING. They're licensees. The only profit they make is from book/DVD sales.
*quote*Now, HS77, the number I quoted was not meant as a serious number. It happens on and off, and topics about the idea of reviving the show appear every few months, but please don't quote the number as if it were fact. I apologise for putting such a brash number.*quote*
don't worry about it, i knew you weren't serious about it, i just tried to make it an example.
(which is about as much a childish fantasy as mom and dad getting back together if the mom is dead and the dad has had gender reassignment surgery)
Fixed.
not trying to raise the post count, only agreeing.
He did it again.
In any case, another what if: Let's say hypothetically the show gets the green light, Season 1 is produced, and the whole nine yards.
Finally it comes to fruitation. Alas, there is not enough support for the show and it (once again) flops. It gets the shaft and we're back at sqaure one. Repeat the process, start over, we're stuck in a vicious circle or a catch-22. Call it what you will. Now what?
Wait another 15 years to see a new season?
My point: Is it worth the trouble to do all of this? Yes, I do love the show and I wouldn't mind seeing it back on the air. But just to have it get cut again? If that's the case, let it rest.
Not trying to discourage anyone, I really am not trying to. Just Something to think about.
Ratings wise how succesful was Sonic X? Yeah does anybody just happen to know this?
EDIT:
The not so unbelievable has already come to pass. http://www.satamsonic.com...topic.php?f=38&t=1099
The only part that bothers me is that there is no explaination of why. Not that I feel betrayed but My curiosity is raging.
Maybe somebody found out something they didn't like - The very fact that they say 'Do not PM MAX about this' implies that the blame is somewhere squarely at his feet. Suspicion and Mistrust are rife - just what caused ALL of this, I wonder?
Come on Morracco! *magnifying glass pops out of spy hat. Follows clues*
I'm sure serious business drama will ensue, regardless of blame and suspicion and such.
I'd like to hear why this has happened, out of plain curiosity. If that doesn't happen, though, I doubt I'd really care. I'm not intrigued enough to actively search, especially as I didn't really care about the pitch in the first place and was more fascinated by the fan reactions.
Long ago, I've come to the conclusion there is no amount of Phoenix Down that can revive this show on TV. It's the freaking Internet, so fan projects are doable. Hell, Sega'd be cool with it as long as it isn't attempted for money, and probably just needs a "Can I do a fan project?" email for good measure.
you know, i was thinking the same thing. if these individuals want it back so badly, then why not do a flash series? the conclusion i came to was that these people wanted to bring "back" satam and then hand it off to sega or whoever would be animating it and let it be.
Considering most people who attempt a SatAM revival's first action is to post on every Sonic forum that they're doing so; I would say attention-seeking is a pretty huge factor in that.
*Remembers this from a while back and catches up reading*
Sounds like this revival attempt thing went to hell like the last one with Kuta, huh? o_O I had completely forgotten about it.
Well In Matt's case I think he only posted in the FUS. The news spread through fans. But even then I guess his true intentions really were to just get attention.
Just found this topic.
You know... honestly I have to agree that reviving SatAM is a lost cause.
Business reasons aside, the fine point is that there is already a Sonic cartoon out (Sonic X) that is pretty popular with kids today. To revive SatAM would be to repeat the nineties and have two different Sonic cartoons... which I don't think that would ever happen in this day and age. I'm not even sure I understand how or why that happened the FIRST time (gonna have to Wiki that), because most companies don't want to compete against themselves like that.
Honestly, I don't want SatAM back. Every other show that's been revived has been ruined in the process, and SatAM was already slipping since that awful second season. In all honesty, when I rewatch the two 90s Sonics today, I would actually rather have a revival of AoSTH than SatAM. But that's for another topic.
The bottom line is, the logistics are against it happening, and why you would WANT it to happen is beyond all comprehension. The Archie comics I can accept as a sort of continuation, and I'm happy with that.
Just found this topic.
You know... honestly I have to agree that reviving SatAM is a lost cause.
I know I'll probably get shot for this, but I'd much rather see a conclusion to Sonic Underground more than a SatAM redux.
At least SatAM had a somewhat decent conclusion if you ignore the last minute or so of the last episode. Sonic Underground just stopped right in the middle with no hint of an ending in sight.
To Kayla, I have this comment: when given a choice between a wrap-up of Sonic Underground and a redux of SatAM: is it too much to ask for both?
To Kayla, I have this comment: when given a choice between a wrap-up of Sonic Underground and a redux of SatAM: is it too much to ask for both?
To Kayla, I have this comment: when given a choice between a wrap-up of Sonic Underground and a redux of SatAM: is it too much to ask for both?
Depends on how SatAM is redone. I'd jump on a SatAM redux if it was handled like Transformers Animated.
Freedom Fighters adopt a little robot girl only to find out she's really part Mobian?
Only if we have one of them as the grumpy war vetern as a medic, and a ninja with Kamina shades.
