Does this require a topic of its own? Seriously?

You could have voiced all your opinion there into one of the other topics or split the opinions up so the most relevant point goes to its proper topic.

Fair enough, if you're going to make these videos and feel the need to share them with us, at least have just one topic you can edit whenever you have a new video instead of sporadically coming in and posting all over the place. Like Pachamac said, this topic is really unnecessary when you could have just posted it in the other one you made.

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we hope Ian gets the comic back into a stable state that the new readership and current readership will enjoy without any complanits

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You're being far too idealistic. I think Ian's probably the best thing to ever happen to this comic, but it doesn't mean I don't have complaints about some of the stuff he's doing. I disliked the M25YL conclusion, I thought the Anonymous arc was wrapped up too neatly, and I'm not sure how fond I am about Fiona's sudden change of heart. Doesn't mean I don't like the comic - I'm enjoying it more than I have since the Sonic Adventure arc finished. But part of having a good comic is having things you don't like in it - if we didn't have anything negative to say about the comic, it'd get boring. At least it's better than the contrived, pseudo-scifi hack that Penders was trying to pass off before he was fired.

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And Finally, I personally hope Ian does get Sonic and Sally back together, but does it slowly, so that it can be achived in a rightful matter and as I said above, and that all Sonic Comic Readers can be happy about.

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Embargo:
embargo
noun
a restraint or hindrance; prohibition.

Or in layman's terms:

Sonic fans look like middle aged men who live in the same room they were raised in, while posting videos concerning a cartoon hedgehog, and his relationships?

Y'know, that kinda makes sense.

i think they should start doing game adaptations again i dont have enough money to get a 360, i still have my dreamcast and i would like to know the sonic next gen story and the secret rings story.

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ok now that was just cruel, no one was going to go there.

ya tony! why do you have to be so freaking cruel? your lucky im in a good mood or i woulda b*tched you out pretty good.

It would be alot more beneficial for him to do his review in a typed blog form rather than film himself standing around reading the comic. Typing out the blog gives you alot more breathing room to express yourself more freely.

well Shigamado, that's true too, it's just I like to shake things up a bit, besides you know how many wouldn't dreaming of filming themselves doing a review or voicing their own opnions, quite a lot I would say.

But trust I do understand the concept of writing reviews instead of filming them, oh and one other thing I wasn't reading the comic, I was just refenceing and quoting some lines the characters said that's all

I don't know how many dream of being filmed but I can't argue with the novelty of it regarding ArchieSonic. However it can be really hard to understand you unless I play with the settings a bit (I watched one and needed to put up the volume and rewind some sections). And there were a few things that maybe would be better in spoiler tags, some would rather read it themself first. Lastly was the confusing video titles but we covered that in another topic.
In short, if you wanna film yourself talking fine, it's your choice. But please update topics rather than creating new ones EVERY time. And think of writing down what you say ahead of time so it flows better and facts get checked (that way you won't confuse Ken w/ Ian or Butler w/ Bollers). Nothing wrong with rehersals, right?

What Miss Puar and the other guys said. At least try to keep it to one topic, like other reviews - there wasn't any need to post this on its own, really.

And BW, how many times're you going to have to be told sbout that relationship embargo before you stop trying to find ways to duck it?

Toby, that was COMPLETELY low and unnecessary. Critique someone's opinions all you like, but having a slap at nothing but their lifestyle and their aesthetics is out of order. That's not what the forum's here for.

And less of the "middle aged", please. BW's only one year older than me.

I don't hate Archie...the fact is, they're probably the only comic book company who would've taken a series like Sonic seriously enough to keep it running all these years. And for that, I can only thank them. But what I don't like is the constant injection of all the contemporary Sega elements into the comic. I've felt over the last decade or so that the comic has evolved to a point where it is no longer just a marketing tool for the games. It's become it's own entity. But with Ian at the helm, and all these Sega elements coming in (chao, "Extreme Gear", Blaze and other characters, etc...) it seems that the comic is once again becoming a mere marketing tool, and this is coming at a time when the comic should be distancing itself from the games as much as it can.

They're doing a separate Sonic X now, and that's where I feel that the injection of contemporary game elements really belong...in a series that younger and newer Sonic fans will better recognize than in a comic series based on a long-cancelled cartoon.

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The comic is, has always been, and will always be a marketing tool. Whether it's "a mere marketing tool" is going to be matter of opinion.

Ian is not the cause of the Sega elements coming in. They would be coming in if it were Karl, or Ken, or Tania, or anyone else writing the comic. They are demanded, asked for, and desired by many. They are also things that most writers of the comic have liked adding to the series in their own way. The only thing that differs is how the Sega elements are used as obviously each writer has their own style and imagination that would be reflected with regards to the direction taken with those elements.

I still think all these contemporary elements are better off in Sonic X. And I hear the writers do have the liberty of either choosing to incorporate modern game elements or ignore them. I hear Sega's fairly lenient on that. Whether the readers and fans ask for it is another matter. Like I said, newer readers and impulse buyers are probably better off with Sonic X.

The Archie Sonic comic wouldn't exist without newer readers or impulse buyers. No comic survives on just its "original" or "early" readers. Comics thrive on being able to pick up new readers and mainly the impulse buyers. Thinking that Sonic X is better for those kind of readers is basically the same as saying that you want the STH series to fail.

Also, I didn't say that Sega mandates the inclusion of Sega stuff so I don't even know why Sega came up. I pointed out that the Sega stuff that bothers you would end up in the comic regardless of the writer for a variety of reasons, including the fact that the writers don't have a problem with adding the elements themselves. My point was that blaming Ian is silly when every longtime Sonic writer adds Sega stuff by choice.

I didn't say I wanted it to fail...but more often than not, new readers and impulse buyers turn into subscribers and continuing readers when they read the comic and find out that it's more than something that just shills for the games. That's how I became a reader...and I only hope the younger crowd is able to be drawn in the same way. And I'm not blaming Ian...I like how he does seem to care about subscribers and continuing readers. I just have a problem with his execution.

Actually, I bet most new readers or impulse buyers don't become subscribers. However, whether they do or not depends on how the particular person feels and what they want, which will differ from person to person. Going based on your recent posts, you are basically saying that the actual inclusion of anything after Sonic Adventure 2 is causing the comic to be "shilling for the games." That's not a rational assessment of the comic, so that's where your point is totally lost. Only by saying that the comic has shilled for the games from its inception can your point even remotely stand up to scrutiny. Otherwise, it's just another irrational assessment based soley on what one likes.

No one can honestly read the comic and think its shilling for the games with the inclusion of a zillion characters that are not from the video games (whether they are Archie created or originated elsewhere) and a storyline/plot that doesn't resemble the video games at all. The only way the comic resembles the video games is "Sonic & friends vs. Robotnik/Eggman"--which is basically the underlining theme of all Sonic universes and ignores all the important details that makes each universe completely different.

well take me for example, i've never subscribed to sonic, not even once. i usually just pick it up at my local comic shop.

but seriously isn't this whole "i'm whining that segasonic might possibly be taking over satam" disscussion already taking place in another topic? (or two? they've become so alike that i can't tell the difference anymore.)

sega sonics not taking over satam i mean the first game adaptation took place in #8 so whats the big deal about?

jeez i dont see why they think sega sonics taking it over, back in the 90s that is what the comic was esentially for, good ole product placement! if you ask me theres less product placement nowadays then in the older days.

What I'm trying to say is that any story element or item introduced after Sonic Adventure 2 would meld better into Sonic X than with StH. Maybe "shilling" is too harsh a term. I recognize that on a basic level, the comics have always tied in some way to the games...but I don't think they need to do that so much anymore, especially now with Sonic X around. StH doesn't need Chao Gardens or those insiped "Extreme Gear".

I have to respectally say that I don't think fans will ever agree, because I think fans are too set in their ways. I agree it is too idealistic to think all fans will end up being happy. This is basically a cold war between Sega Sonic fans and Sonic Sat a.m. fans, and I want to win. As a Sonic Sat a.m. fan, I don't want to see something that is special to me(Sonic and Sally) be destoryed, which will happen if Sega Sonic fans have their way. That is why I keep speaking out for what I want and find myself repeating myself often, I am a little afraid what will happen to my favorite characters if I stop speaking out.

look, i love satam and i love sega sonic, sonic and sally wont be destroyed dont worry! do you remeber that one season of dallas when bobby died? at the end of that season the ratings were sooooo low they had to bring him back, so they they made it that it was just bobbys wifes dream, the shows ratings never fully recoverd because of that so the show was cancelled, same thing with the comic, they get rid of sally archie will lose alot of money because no one will buy the comics, they know that therefore sally will stick around

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You're reading the wrong comic.

i meant, they will always have sally because who wants to read a comic based around satam without the satam characters.

The comic is'nt based around SatAM, it's based on every single imaginable continuity of Sonic, minus Sonic X. That one has it's own awesome comic. =p

well it started as a cross between satam AND aosth then was mainly satam with the odd game adaptations now it has alot of sega sonic in it,i dont mind it though anyway its MOSTLEY based around satam.

they will always have sally because who wants to read a comic based around satam without the satam characters.

ok?

well, quite a few of us have never watched satAM. i feel little connection to the characters from it, other then what i know of them via the comic.

it's only a comic, the world will not stop turning if they don't stick to their roots. change is good, no?

The way I feel about the current state of Seganess and SatAMishnes is that we're witnissing Season 11 or 12 of Sonic SatAM. Season 2 ended with Robotnik being defeated...And you know, that meant season 3 would be quite different. Even if Robotnik came back to power by mid season it would still be a change in the way things worked. I think I also remeber Ian...Hurst? Saying Tails and Sonic would become closer friends in Season 3.

So Season 3's a little different from Season 2. And season 4 is a little different from season 3, and on, and on, and you know Season 12 is alot different than season 1. So the fact that things are radically different doesn't bother me too much. (This is a tangent, but think of all of the things that have happened: The fall of Robotnik, The Rise of Ixis, The Restoration of the Monarchy and Castle Acorn, The first contact with 'human's, The Return of Robotnik, Robotnik coming back to power post Home, etc., etc...)

As for Sega elements being brought into the mix...The games have always had to modify themselves to fit into the comic's logic. Do you remember the story arc last year, "Total System failure," or something of the like? The one with all of the Metal Sonics running amok? That was basically an adaption of Sonic Heroes's storyline (Metal Sonic strikes back!) but completely rewritten into Archie terms to the point where it wasn't an adaption. (Remember those Metal Sonics we built, just in case? Yeeeaaah, they've gone amok.)

I don't know. I guess I'm just easily comfortable with it. And I didn't get much sleep, so my logic might be a little non-sequitar.

Well if want some insight go tom y video post here at the forum if you want, but you do have a piont Dreamer, if you look at it, had SatAM contiued till this day, this maybe, what we see in the comic, what the series would be like, if you think about it.

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that's impossible. There's no way in the fiery pits of hell that satam could've possibly survived to this day. even hypothetically it couldn't happen.

Anything can happen hypothetically.

The comic's proof that the basic formula that SatAM was grounded on could not last forever. There are too many factors present over the years that would facilitate change within the storyline.

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The comic is'nt based around SatAM, it's based on every single imaginable continuity of Sonic, minus Sonic X. That one has it's own awesome comic. =p

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the way i think of it is that Archie is archie. it's a universe in itself and it's not really based specifically around anything.

if anything it was loosely based on satam, but it went it's own separate way when knuckles was introduced since Satam never had him in it.