Well, for what it's worth, Tommy's dead. Again.

But this time, it's for keeps.

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Tommy's dead? Well with that note, I'm defiantly getting back into sonic. I'd read a million issues just to see that turtle die! My hatred for him was endless. He was such a generic character and the writers wasted so much time on him. I couldn't get it!

Well, I'd say don't bother. I am not a fan of Ian, and I'm 99% sure I will never be. In his world, Mina is only mentioned, Shadow goes down in seconds, Evil Sonic is now Scourge the cowardly 'hog (not to mention he's green, eew), Future Sonic goes up to a recently fallen king's wife and asks if they can have children (is this too close to relationship discussion? I'm only stating the facts, no opinions), WAY too many characters die (exept, of course the ones that I hate like Sally, Ash, Fiona, the King, St. John, and Hershy), Nack is noting but a fall guy, as is Drago, and the wishes of the minority opinion are never fufilled (AKA my every wish and hope). So yeah, I've called it quits.

Edit: and on other notes, J. Axer and Dub left , and Ash will probobally never die.

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Tommy's dead? Well with that note, I'm defiantly getting back into sonic. I'd read a million issues just to see that turtle die!

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What's up with the hatered of Tommy? I've never read any of the issues, until #160, ever since he showed up? Why is he such a bad character?

because he just wouldn't stay dead. and he lived through almost the most impossible situations.

also, when i flipped open that first page and saw the words "the tommy trilogy" i went partially insane.

To expound on what hypershadow said (which is totally correct), Tommy wasn't always "hated." In fact, his introduction (#117) was a very good story to me. However, he died in it... or at least, should've been dead, but we got a horribly explained death cheat. Tommy's "resurrection/death cheat" (#135-137) came to symbolize a zillion different problems with the comic as it didn't help that right after Tommy was re-introduced just about every story was just bad with the exception of Return to Angel Island. Being tolerable was the best that could be said for any story--if that much.

Of course, that's my opinion, but I do know that it's not a horribly out of touch one based on most people that comment on the Archie comic series up to #160.

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also, when i flipped open that first page and saw the words "the tommy trilogy" i went partially insane.

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, me too!

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To expound on what hypershadow said (which is totally correct), Tommy wasn't always "hated." In fact, his introduction (#117) was a very good story to me. However, he died in it... or at least, should've been dead, but we got a horribly explained death cheat. Tommy's "resurrection/death cheat" (#135-137) came to symbolize a zillion different problems with the comic as it didn't help that right after Tommy was re-introduced just about every story was just bad with the exception of Return to Angel Island.

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I absolutely agree. I hate character resurrections in comics. After a character gets a big dramatic death screen and the other characters mourn them, the writes waste an entire arc to bring them back and negate all the death drama. Marvel and DC are the worst, killing off Magneto and resurrected him three times in one year! Give me a brake! Okay back to Tommy, another reason I hate him is because like I said, he's just a lame, generic character. He's like almost every other anthropomorphic turtle in any other story. Plus for some reason Tommy was in almost every main and back story for months, he was a main reason I stopped reading, I couldn't take it!

PS: Return to Angel Island was awesome! Best story written in years in my opinion. Any story with the Knux cast at the forefront gets an A+ from me.

Well Tommy's dead and gone and will hopefully stay that way. Anyway I just finished #167 and got some questions:

1) Eggman's grapes- in Return to Angel Island Rimington and Doctor Finitevus got put in them by the Hunter, but Finitevus is free in #161 and saved Scourge. How'd he get out? Or am I not up to the explanation yet? Also is Remington dead or stuck in the Zone of Silence?

2) Mobius 25YL - Why did it get wrapped up so quickly? I know it got mixed reviews but I think it disserved better than that.

3) The Destructix - How'd they get derobotnizied from #135?

If I have asked questions that are explained later on just say so, not looking for spoilers.

One thing I like about the issues I've read is that Evil Sonic got truned into Scrouge. I think it's cool they revamped him from just being a streriotipical unternatereality clone of the hero. Plus his character disign looks cool! Although in my opianion, there are to many hedgehogs running around in the Sonic Multiverse these days.

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I completely disagree, but I have to give you kudos, that was pretty clever.

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Well, I'd say don't bother. I am not a fan of Ian, and I'm 99% sure I will never be. In his world, Mina is only mentioned, Shadow goes down in seconds, Evil Sonic is now Scourge the cowardly 'hog (not to mention he's green, eew), Future Sonic goes up to a recently fallen king's wife and asks if they can have children (is this too close to relationship discussion? I'm only stating the facts, no opinions), WAY too many characters die (exept, of course the ones that I hate like Sally, Ash, Fiona, the King, St. John, and Hershy), Nack is noting but a fall guy, as is Drago, and the wishes of the minority opinion are never fufilled (AKA my every wish and hope). So yeah, I've called it quits.

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When did Shadow go down in seconds? If I remember right, he destroied Snivly's robot in one spin dash. Oh and of course! So like you Ultra Devil Chao! The characters you hate didn't die! Oh, well that's a good reason to not like Ian's work isn't it? And how could we forget! Nack is not the Main character! I hate the comic!

Will you stop whining about Sally not being dead and Nack being the greatest thing ever! 95% of posts I've seen you do on this forum since September 2006, has been about Nack! Nack is just a little sprite character SEGA put into a 2D game because they wanted to try a minor villian, and that's all he'll be, minor. I'm a big Metal Sonic fan, and he's destroyed in every comic he's in, and your upset because Nack isn't a serious villian! Not to mention everyone who causes harm to him in any little way, you hate! If I was like that, I'd hate every single character!

Exodus, the comic has gotten a lot better. Less characters are filling up the place now, Eggman's more menacing (Read 175 and you'll know what I'm talking about.) Read it, I hope you like the improvement.

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That just shows how persistent he is! If you love Metal Sonic then you'd love Super Mario Bros.Z! Here's a link:www.newgrounds.com/portal/search.php?terms=Super+Mario+Bros.+Z&kind=j

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1) Eggman's grapes- in Return to Angel Island Rimington and Doctor Finitevus got put in them by the Hunter, but Finitevus is free in #161 and saved Scourge. How'd he get out? Or am I not up to the explanation yet? Also is Remington dead or stuck in the Zone of Silence?

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That question is answered in an issue you're not up to yet.

Thanks MattManic7325, so now the quest to catch up continues...

Everybody's a critic critic

Seriously, can't anyone even take a little criticism on a highly overrated writer?

Maybe he is overrated, maybe he isn't (Still hit or miss for me. Unlike the Other M) but it just seems like a slice of heaven since Penders left (who had kind of run the comic into a rut. Can't dispute his worthwhile contributions.)

I must be the only one in the world who can't stand Ian's writing. And almost everyone else is against me for it. Nobody knows how hard it is to be outnumbered in their every opinion.

Throwing out your opinion EVERY time you kind of see an opening will do that. We understand you dislike Ian's writing, but hammering the point home ALL the time will get you on people's bad side. Tone it down and we won't hate you (And where do you get this idea people hate you? Augh, cheer up)

I'm done reading the back issues, now I just need to wait for my comic store to mail me #175 and I'm officially caught up! I've enjoyed the majority of the issues. I think Ian Flynn is doing a great job, anyone who writes for the Knux casts has my vote.

I love that Julie-Su is getting a good amount of screen time (is it called screen time in a comic?). Plus Ian's setting up Dr. Finitevus as a major villain, Enerjak is coming back, the Dark Legion locked in a civil war, and Locke is on a quest to find the Brotherhood. I love it! Especially since I didn't start reading the comics till after Knux got canceled.

And how can I forget...

HE KILLED OF TOMMY TURTLE FOR GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

I also like the villains he's been using for the most part. ADAM was pretty cool, can't hate the guy who directly lead to that turtle's death. I've liked Nack, Bean, and Bark as recurring villains. Have Bean and Bark been in the comics before, I could have sworn I remember them on a cover or in the background before (Thought they were good guys...)?

I loved #172, Amy's so cute! I also liked Scourge and Fiona, Anti-Sonic became such a better character as Scourge. Plus I can't remember if any good guy other than Fiona turned bad just because they wanted to, that was pretty cool. Poor Tails, she slapped the taste out his mouth. They need to give Tails a girl, I liked him with Cosmo from Sonic X, but they're probably saving her for the Sonic X comic. It'd be easy to add her in with the Black Arms and Xorda at war.

Speaking of which, is a "Shadow the Hedgehog" adaptation in our future? And also, I wonder if Commander Prower is evil. His comment from #174 makes me think so. Poor Tails, can't catch a brake.

I also loved the back story from #172, Amy and Julie-Su are great together. I always wanted Julie-Su to have a female friend, hope Ian picks that up later.

So far I can only recall three things I didn't like.

1) Mammoth Mogul and Ixas Naugus return. Before they were epic level villains, now there just two low level villains of the month who get taken out so easy. When epic level comic villains keep returning, they always get powered down like that.

2) Shadow's personality. He's written too nice for my taste, he'd never apologize to Sonic. See #171.

3) How many times is Tail's going to for fill his destiny? He did it in #150,168, and 169.

All in all, I've enjoyed the comics. Can't wait to get my hands on #175!

If everyone hates my opinions that much, I'll shut up. And have nothing whatsoever to say.

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Have Bean and Bark been in the comics before, I could have sworn I remember them on a cover or in the background before (Thought they were good guys...)?

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Spaz (and I think only him) has thrown Bean & Bark in crowd scenes before, but they've never actually been "characters" until Ian put them in now.

Tails' destiny is to restore balance to Mobius - I can see that being a recurring gig. 🙂

Spoilers (Select To Read): In fact, I've been saying for years now that I was crossing my fingers for the possibility of that meaning Tails going up against Sonic or the Acorns to make sure that they don't dominate, either.

I wonder if there'll be any specific reference to that once the real Sonic/Tails schism starts.

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So Ian's justs teasting us with the Black Arms' cameo in #170?

More like putting them in, in case he ever needs them. By introducing them now we can understand why they haven't shown up yet, and also why the Xorda haven't returned. Also, if Ian decides to feature them in a later issue, people won't be able to complain about the Black Arms suddenly coming out of nowhere or something.

True..true, atleast there is a little bit of hope for a tie-in.

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Well, I'd say don't bother. I am not a fan of Ian, and I'm 99% sure I will never be. In his world, Mina is only mentioned, Shadow goes down in seconds, Evil Sonic is now Scourge the cowardly 'hog (not to mention he's green, eew), Future Sonic goes up to a recently fallen king's wife and asks if they can have children (is this too close to relationship discussion? I'm only stating the facts, no opinions), WAY too many characters die (exept, of course the ones that I hate like Sally, Ash, Fiona, the King, St. John, and Hershy), Nack is noting but a fall guy, as is Drago, and the wishes of the minority opinion are never fufilled (AKA my every wish and hope).

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I ABSOULTELY AGREE with this 110% I've never really like Ian too much, excluding 160, 161, and 165, I've NEVER
recall a moment when I enjoyed a story. M25YL was sooo filled with exhaust and predictablity it was stupid. And Sonic blowing up 175? You know the "limit" thing? What a joke! Sonic was better under Karl Bollers, ah, those were the days, with Knuckles, and the crew. Maybe I'm expecting too much out of someone who has no previous professional writing experience, or maybe it's just been a bad day for me, either way, I AGREE WITH YOU!

To be fair, when it came to M25YL, Penders'd left such a steaming mess to deal with that Jack Kirby and Will Eisner combined probably couldn't have rescued it.

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I am not dicussing the story, I am dicussing the converstations, the so-called action and the like.

Think about it, if you look back at 143, "Father's Day", amazing story but Ian, rushes everything, makes it watered-down or it half the possible value. The stories are built up so high by the hype and the general story kills it all.

Of course this all my opinion, if you don't like it, you don't have to, but if you do, don't be afraid to argee openly, in the words of Albert Einstein,

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. "

Just read #175 & 176, another two good issues. Sonic and Robotnik's fight from #175 was awsome, that was the best fight I could remember from the Sonic comics. Most fight are like three pages long and consist of mostly dialong with a punch or two thrown in.

Only thing I didn't like about this issue was that Robotnik didn't kill Sonic. Now I know that would never happen, but I hate when villains don't finish off the heroes, it's so stupid. I hate it when writers have villains spare the hero for some dumb reason, that part wasn't believable at all.

I loved the Knuckles, Julie-su, Rouge part. He has to keep doing more of that, I love that Ian writes for the Knux cast. Does anyone know if Ian has mentioned who are his favorite characters are?

I also like that the four original video game characters were the ones who had to stop Robotnik, those guys are like never on missions together.

Oh and yay! Nicole found a way to maintain a physical form, she was such a great character design, glad we'll be seeing more of it.