Sure Knuckles comics are officially over and he had his own mini series (Friendly Nemesis) but don't you think it would be a good Idea if his daughter Lara-Su had her own short mini series and if not her own 32 Issue regular series as well?
I mean think about the possibilities perhaps making General Rykor have some airtime (Julie-sues boss if im not mistaken) and then make her have her own gaurdian ant and try and discover the many secrets behind some violent event happening in Echidnaopolis and bring Constable Remignton back too and then make Knuckles and his Father monitor her from the confines of haven as her power continues to grow boy would that be good (sigh) I should work for Archie comics eh?
We can hope, The series once had no less than three titles going, all set in the same universe, now it has two titles set in different universes.
Haven't read any of the future story-arcs except for the two recen't ones. You can imagine how confused I was. XD
Besides the fact, that would be a good idea. But knowing Archie, they probably won't.
But hey! One can dream, and you started a new topic.
Lara-Su's name would'nt sell to the consumers well, so there'd be no point in Archie taking a risk like that on a character that is'nt really that great to begin with.
Just FYI: Rykor was killed when the Egg Grapes were lost to the Void.
aw man I had no idea that Rykor was Killed oh well maybe Dr. Finetivus can be the main antagonist then.
What Toby said.
The character's only recognisable to existing Archie readers. Archie could get away with a Sally miniseries back in the days when the readership was wider and the target demographic could actually remember SatAM airing, but there'd probably be no market for any spin-offs outside official characters now.
And that's not even touching the fact that, plot-wise, Lara-Su is simply from many possible futures and therefore would involve dedicating an entire miniseries to something that doesn't even have anything to do with the plot.
It's been bad enough with people being confused and swallowing Penders' crap about M25YL having canon status when it didn't - it'd be a shame to see that start up again.
Let's all hope for a Shadow the Hedgehog spin-off series!!!
your right Pachamac people know Shadow because from the Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Adventure 2 video games and Shadow is a friggin awesome character that would work for a mini series however he's a villan am I right? so I dunno If anyone would buy it, thats like having an Eggman mini series which also wouldn't be bad by the way
Shadow is not a villain. Anti-hero perhaps.
Anti-hero, antagonist... Definitely not a villain, though.
Given the new trinity of 'hogs and/or Shadow's apparent elevation to the Triple Threat at the expense of Tails, it actually wouldn't surprise me if that happened. He's the most plausible candidate.
If the Super Sonic Special issues were still running, I could see a self-contained adaptation of StH 2006 being created fairly easily.
oh ok wow theres still so much I need to know about the comic I had no idea of Anti Hero's before.
Anti-hero isn't a term from this comic, it's a term in all media. Check wikipedia to find out more.
I actually would like a Shadow spin-off, since it's the most commercially viable character spin-off and would get him some decent development, which he can always use.
IMHO, If they ever make a Lara-Su mini-series, it would make my year!
Which Lara-Su? Time travel or M25YL?
Topic necromancy much?
Either or. Either way, a mini-series is DECIDEDLY the safest way to go.
No, it would be a rideculously large risk, as Archie's profits come from readers who pic up the comic on a lark, to check it out. No one is going to pick up some comic about a character they've never heard of, and don't care about.
Like you said, Toby; the chances of ANY mini-series are quite unlikely. Shadow probably has the best chance of getting one (by the way, I don't think he's replaced Tails in the Triple Threat) though even he likely won't.
Personally, I'd like to see a Lara-Su story arc; preferably one focusing on her original incarnation, the one from the future where Knuckles went crazy. I'd like to see what happened there instead of the cliffhanger we've been left with-I don't see any other plot arcs that ended that abruptly. Sure, her presence in the present may have been taken care of, but I'd like to see what she and future Julie are going to do. For that matter, I want to find out what happened to M25YL's Lara-Su and Sonic between their disappearance into the past and their return in the new timeline. Doesn't anyone else want to know what they did to alter history?
I don't. I'd rather just read about the present. So far, the future has been nothing but boring.
That is your opinion, Toby, which I respect. Besides, as I said, the chances of a Lara-Su mini-series is unlikely, and so is another story arc featuring her. Of course, we'd still be talking about the present if they covered what she and Sonic did in the past to change the future.
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I want to find out what happened to M25YL's Lara-Su and Sonic between their disappearance into the past and their return in the new timeline. Doesn't anyone else want to know what they did to alter history?
I don't believe Lara-Su went into the past to alter history along with Sonic. She was never in the lab or the machine that Sonic used. I believe that everyone "disappeared" or "blinked out" of reality for awhile similar to what happened in Sonic #50, but only Sonic went back in time.
(I don't believe Lara-Su went into the past to alter history along with Sonic. She was never in the lab or the machine that Sonic used. I believe that everyone "disappeared" or "blinked out" of reality for awhile similar to what happened in Sonic #50, but only Sonic went back in time.)
(Originally posted by True Red)
You're absolutely right. Sonic was the one in the time machine. However, 2 questions are left:
1. HOW and WHAT did he do to change the future?
2. There's no explination why Lara-Su's nose is different the second time around. (Personally, I recon it's an error, as it's happened to other before.
(Which Lara-Su? Time travel or M25YL?)
(Originally posted by EHH123)
Either one will do for me. Both maybe, Hey, that's not a bad idea!
(No one is going to pick up some comic about a character they've never heard of, and don't care about.)
(Originally posted by Tony Barrett)
Ah true but what about the fans who do care? What about that small cult that's been circulating. But you're right. Most people don't know who Lara-Su is, but they can be educated, can't they?
(Personally, I'd like to see a Lara-Su story arc; preferably one focusing on her original incarnation, the one from the future where Knuckles went crazy. I'd like to see what happened there instead of the cliffhanger we've been left with-I don't see any other plot arcs that ended that abruptly. Sure, her presence in the present may have been taken care of, but I'd like to see what she and future Julie are going to do.)
(Originally posted by Spectre the Hechidnat)
I wrote a story about that. It involves a peace conference, hijacked missiles, and a beast that feeds on positive impuses. Want to read it?
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Ah true but what about the fans who do care? What about that small cult that's been circulating. But you're right. Most people don't know who Lara-Su is, but they can be educated, can't they?
Still does'nt warrent it being made, as there's no real profit.
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2. There's no explination why Lara-Su's nose is different the second time around. (Personally, I recon it's an error, as it's happened to other before.
Um... it's called stylistic difference.
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Ah true but what about the fans who do care? What about that small cult that's been circulating. But you're right. Most people don't know who Lara-Su is, but they can be educated, can't they?
The point is that from a marketing standpoint, "New Comic Starring the Daughter of a Alternate Universe Version of a Video-Game Character and a Comic-Exclusive Character From a Possible Future" is not strong at all.
If Lara-Su didn't end up being sent back in time, then would someone kindly explain how she kept her memories of the original future? She vanished from existence at the same time Sonic did, which didn't happen to anyone else at the Tachyon Displacement Chamber. I don't think she was close enough to get exposed to the effects; I think that she was somehow pulled along with Sonic (don't ask me how). She didn't have any special device to preserve her memories, and I doubt even her Chaos abilities could have protected her when she didn't really know how to use them.
Really, I don't see why Archie can't at least revisit the original Lara-Su; I mean, bringing back obscure plots is what they do. I'm not saying that a mini-series is a good idea, but maybe just the second issue in each story?
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If Lara-Su didn't end up being sent back in time, then would someone kindly explain how she kept her memories of the original future?
She kept vague, partial memories because she was in the vicinity of the point of origin of the time rewrite. So did others to some degree.
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She vanished from existence at the same time Sonic did, which didn't happen to anyone else at the Tachyon Displacement Chamber.
Who says? Everyone vanished because everything got rewritten. Just no one else was shown.
(Originally posted by Crazy Cham Lea)
(Um... it's called stylistic difference.)
Yeah, but how can you improve a perfection? On another note, the exact same thing happened to Julie-Su in STH# 174. IMHO, I still think it's an error. Besides, the new 'snout' nose doesn't suit her, or Tracey Yardley needs to practice a bit more to get it right, no offence.
(Originally Posted by Crazy Cham Lea)
(The point is that from a marketing standpoint, "New Comic Starring the Daughter of a Alternate Universe Version of a Video-Game Character and a Comic-Exclusive Character From a Possible Future" is not strong at all.)
And I suppose that a comic starring an Earthworm who crashes into a super suit, becoming all powerful, with a sidekick who is a dog with a bad attitude and a princess girlfriend, fighting almost impossible enemies and continuously being hit by falling fridges and cows seems perfectly sane!
Or a nerdy teenager gets bitten by a radioactive spider and becomes a super-hero wouldn't sell, so we thought in 1962. Look where it is now.
I'm sure if all these wacky ideas can sell, then can't a story about the Daughter of a Alternate Universe Version of a Video-Game Character and a Comic-Exclusive Character From a Possible Future seen almost logical?
Not really, because it isn't a wacky idea. It's pretty basic and hardly unique, to be honest, which is why Earthworm Jim and Spiderman succeeds.
Oi. Don't you even go there with the Spidey, young lady. If you think the comic book is "Nerdy teen gets bitten by spider and becomes Super Hero" you don't get it at all.
The character filled a blank in the comics industry, until then all heroes had been Batman billionaire and Superman STRONGEST THING EVER characters.
Peter Parker was more or less the first everyday hero, he was just like the people reading and his real life took more importance than his superhero life. The comic was more focused on him facing his responsibility while staying responsible to his school, his friends and elderly aunt. It was a wonderful comic and the majority of the 60's material I tend to skip the superhero sections and read the Parker stuff.
That's the appeal.
The concept of Lara-Su can be as wacky as it wants, but what's her hook? What makes her an interesting character to read about?
Answer: She's a typical Mary Sue fan-insert daughter character who saves the day while her parents marvel at what a troublemaking yet talented girl she is.
Until they can give us a genuinely interesting, new and gripping slant on the character, it'll never be interesting to anyone but those already invested in the character.
Still. I only come here to tell you off for generalising Spidey. Personally I have no interest in your debate to validate your personal want for a comic which will never be made. Wether you win or lose the debate your mind will not change and reality wont change either. So it's a war of attrition and a thread full of wasted words of people with nothing better to do with their time.
Myself included.
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And I suppose that a comic starring an Earthworm who crashes into a super suit, becoming all powerful, with a sidekick who is a dog with a bad attitude and a princess girlfriend, fighting almost impossible enemies and continuously being hit by falling fridges and cows seems perfectly sane!
Or a nerdy teenager gets bitten by a radioactive spider and becomes a super-hero wouldn't sell, so we thought in 1962. Look where it is now.
What are you going on about? The content itself isn't the point. It doesn't matter if it's "sane" or "logical." Neither Spider-Man or EWJ are derivative concepts or characters. Lara-Su is a derivative (possible future) OF a derivative (comic loosely based on a game series and TV show also based loosely on the games). That makes it harder to market to fresh readers, and thus less likely to warrant production. It's not a matter of personal opinion; it's a matter of business, of what people think is worthy of investment.
Also, whether an artist's style appeals to you or not doesn't make it an error.
Okay, we've all agreed that Lara-Su has practically zero chance of showing up in the comics now that M25YL has been resolved. No mini-series, no future story arcs, no nothing. Maybe she's unappealing as a character concept, especially since her original incarnation was a rehash of the old "hero travels back in time to save the future" plot. Still, she was okay while she lasted: not anyone could take on Shadow the Hedgehog and win with only a minor burn.
(Takes a deep breath...)
(Originally Posted by Craig Bayfielf)
Oi. Don't you even go there with the Spidey, young lady. If you think the comic book is "Nerdy teen gets bitten by spider and becomes Super Hero" you don't get it at all.
Hey, I wasn't badmouthing Spiderman. To be honest, I have been a pretty large Spiderfan myself for many years now. I read the regular comics, seen the movies, watch the 60's cartoon of a morning (Yup! Where I come from, it's show in the morning ) And own the 90's series on DVD. I was saying that the ORIGINAL CONCEPT back in 1962 would have been highly dubious, for it's time.
(Also Originally Posted by Craig Bayfield)
The concept of Lara-Su can be as wacky as it wants, but what's her hook? What makes her an interesting character to read about?
Why, what's NOT to like?
(Originally Posted by Crazy Cham Lea)
Lara-Su is a derivative (possible future) OF a derivative (comic loosely based on a game series and TV show also based loosely on the games). That makes it harder to market to fresh readers, and thus less likely to warrant production. It's not a matter of personal opinion; it's a matter of business, of what people think is worthy of investment.
You're right. HOWEVER, if there's enough interest, it MIGHT happen. Also, you forgot about Spidergirl (who is exactly a derivative, who has her own successful comic line, which I happen to like myself BTW.)
If Spidergirl can have her own comic series, why not Lara-Su?
Finally, on the 'error' topic, what do you mean by artistic style? I know that each artist draws in their own way that suits them, as I do, but when a character we all know and love appears in an issue with body parts changed with NO explanation to WHY it happened (And I don't accept the 'Tachyon Displacement Chamber' theory either.), you start to get a little worried, or annoyed.
(Originally Posted by Spectre the Hechidnat)
Okay, we've all agreed that Lara-Su has practically zero chance of showing up in the comics now that M25YL has been resolved. No mini-series, no future story arcs, no nothing.
Don't be so quick to write her off yet. Who knows? Perhaps someday in the future ( XD ) An alternate version could appear. Or wait 25 years for the real story, that is, if the comics are still running, and personally, I hope they are.
Maybe she's unappealing as a character concept, especially since her original incarnation was a rehash of the old "hero travels back in time to save the future" plot.
You seem to forget that 'small cult,' which I am, not surprisingly, a ring-leader of. How come so many fans like her if she's unappealing.
And what's wrong with the old "hero travels back in time to save the future" plot? It happens all the time in fictional works. It just adds a little more mystery (or spoilers, or alternate futures) into the plot, making it more gripping to the audience.
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If Spidergirl can have her own comic series, why not Lara-Su?
Because Spider-Man is extremely more popular and well known than Knuckles, and espeically with Mary-Jane/Julie-Su, so when she first had her comic all newbies had to do is see her uniform and say wow she must have some connection to Spider-Man. If even they haven't read a single Spider-Man comic, they would probably know him from the cartoons and movies they've seen (I myself have never read a single issue.) and may pick up a Spider-Girl comic.
But for Lara-Su, some may see her and think wow she looks like that red guy from the Sonic games I played years ago I forgot his name though. Some may pick it up, but others wouldn't even if they knew who Knux was and his name because their either not interested or would wonder who the mom is. However, a lot would see it and say who in the world is that and go on. Now, having Sonic presents might also draw quite a few readers but still not enough.
Anyway, I know it wouldn't appeal to an average reader, but I would think there is enough steady readers in the fandom that would pick it up, but then again. However, thinking about it, the only reason I would pick one up is just because it's part of the Sonic comic series not particularly because of an interest in Lara-Su which is meh to me and it may very well be that way with other dedicated readers.
King Sonic can be in it if he wants. Besides, it doesn't need to be a full-blown comic. Just 2 or 4 linked issues would be nice.
I suggest you do pick up a Spider-Girl comic. Who knows? You may like it, or not.
A lot of people see comics and think who in the world is that, myself included. People could pick it up, flick through, and may like it. Or not, it depends on the buyer. You just never know.
I am ready and willing to admit that the chances of one happening, or a return, in next to nil. Just look at 'Rose Tyler: Earth Defence.' (Before anyone starts, I am a massive Whovian, and am NOT mocking it in any way.)
You just never know what the future holds, which makes it just possible.
It all comes back to this:
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It's not a matter of personal opinion; it's a matter of business, of what people think is worthy of investment.
And quite frankly, that's how the execs must see it. They've already got the two Sonic comics running. Why create more of a workload and take a plunge with an investment which may or may not work when they can stay comfortable within the clutches of the two Sonic comics they're already running.
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Or wait 25 years for the real story, that is, if the comics are still running, and personally, I hope they are.
In the 14 years it's been published for, the comic has progressed 2, maybe 3 years. At that rate, if you wanna wait for 25 years to pass in comic time, it'll be about the year 2170. Pretty sure I'm not gonna still be reading the comic then
I agree with MattManic in doubting that Archie's Sonic comics are going to run so long that it'll get to another 25 years later story along the main timeline. I mean, the comics have never followed the chronology of real life-if they did, then Sonic would be 25 or so, since the comics have been around for about a decade-I think-and he was originally introduced as being 15 or 16.
I'll pretend I didn't hear that crack about Spiderman being better than Knuckles; that's a matter of opinion, and I think that you can't really compare the two. It's like comparing Star Wars and Star Trek: the two have some similarities but are otherwise very different, and each is great in their own way.
Lara-Su may have a chance at a future appearance at some point, but I won't hold my breath. Some fans-myself included-may like her, but I'll agree that she probably hasn't been that big a corporate boost for the comic series. Of course, I'm not giving up; I'd still like to see how the original Lara-Su's story with an insane future Knuckles turns out.
They die, because Green Knuckles remembers that the can manipulate time and space.
I wasn't saying Spidey was better than Knux, I was saying that Spidey is a more well known character than Knux.
Perhaps, or Knuckles may have a little bit of common sense left not to kill his own family. Maybe that's why they're still alive.
I think the point was that every time Green Knuckles tried to mess with time and save Echidnaopolis, it got annihilated anyway.
I'm glad that you didn't mean that Spidey was better than Knux; I like them both, and I agree that Spidey is just more well known.
Not sure where this topic of Chaos Knuckles killing his relatives came from. Lara-Su could probably take him on with a little training-after all, she did figure out how to travel through time, and if the Guardian bloodline effect continued then she has the potential to become more powerful that her father. Besides, when has a Sonic conflict between hero and villain-or hero and deranged former hero-ever been a fair fight?
Yeah, Knuckles had bad luck with the whole change the past thing-luckily, he didn't do anything that affected his timeline. Of course, with the whole paradox thing going, several other versions of Mobius could be in serious trouble right now.
I'm sensing a possible 'Crisis of Infinite Earths' reference coming on...
The whole thing with Zonic and the "zone" stories was like one big reference to DC's different Earths. Something that should have happened during the lead up to Sonic #100 was to craft something that would parody/pay homage to the madness that was Crisis.
What a waste.
I'm sure in Earth X, there was a Crisis for us to have enjoyed, PSX.
Or maybe we're Earth-2 and Earth Prime has the decent version of the comic.
You have a point there. The thought of being Earth-2 or any other Earth's shudders the mind...
I would be interesting if there really was a parallel version of Earth we could visit and such and blah blah blah...I'm going back to watch Doctor Who.
I agree that there probably will not be a Lara-Su mini-series or comic series for reasons others have stated(not enough money and everything). What I can see happening, and would probably like, is Lara-su making another appearance perhaps near the end of the comic, to conclude things. However, I would want the cirumstances of her life to be different.
I agree with you on that, DC. For one thing, though I've heard repeatedly that it's not going to happen, I'd like to see Knuckles and Julie-Su actually get married. Julie's excuse of hating dresses and their whole "commitment means more than ceremony" thing aside, is it really that much trouble just to have a wedding? A short ceremony, a couple hours of fancy tribal dress, a few exchanged vows, and you're done! That way, Lara-Su would only have to deal with being the daughter of a Guardian-if you think about it, she probably got some dirty looks in M25YL because not only was she technically born out of wedlock, but her mother was a former member of the Dark Legion. Former or not, some people are just too prejudiced to forgive and forget, and Echidnas have demonstrated themselves to be worse than most.
Yeah, I would like to see Lara-Su at the end of the comic, just as a sort of sign that Knuckles and the others have hung up their traveler's cloaks (metaphorically speaking, of course) and settled down to let other handle the work of being a hero. I'd like to see Lara as either a baby or-and this isn't quite as desirable-another potential future in which she and other children of Sonic and co. make up a new generation of whatever they'd call the team at that point.
Still, I would like to hear more about the original Lara, and I would like to know just what happened between when she vanished into thin air at the end of the M25YL 1.0 and her appearance in the altered future. Other than that, I'd just like to see her in the series finale-which should be published in another decade or so, depending on whether or not Sonic is still popular.
Don't go putting an end date on the comic yet - it was never, ever, expected to make it even a quarter of the way that it has, and for its market niche, it's one of the most successful comics around.
Knux and Julie-Su don't/didn't have a ceremony because they don't/didn't want to - it's not a matter of laziness or completion, it's a reflection of the characters and their attitudes and priorities.