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(@alex-warlorn)
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Let just first say, that Amy Rose is decidedly a self-deluded automatic smashing machine with a hidden heart of gold whose brain can't process the idea that Sonic might, just might not be interested in her nor will ever be, let alone that they aren't meant to be together.

That being said, I think the Archie comics have not so much pushed her out of the spotlight (which they have decidedly NOT done and if anything have given her a LOT MORE screen time than before) but have decidedly downgraded her ability and significance.

I point that she was owned, repeatedly, by her Anti-, Rosey proved to be the superior smashing machine even breaking Amy's hammer and forcing her into pathetic and cowardly retreat each time. This is non-sensical given that Rosey doesn't have any sense of focus or control, and is ultimately just a child with a handgun so to speak.

On the surface you might think that since Amy's primary source of strength is her emotions, that Rosey, who is completely ruled by her base impulses, would make the superior fighter, but that's forgetting that Amy has been taught combat talents that Rosey doesn't have. Amy was shown to be mentored by Julie-Su in combat, which Rosey decidedly was not (thus Amy having combat skills Rosey did not), putting that aside I somehow doubt Rosey's combat experience matches up to Amy's.

And even putting EVERYTHING aside, one of the original base rules of the Zone Vs. was that you can't beat your counter part on equal footing, and both Roses were upgraded by the ring of acorns, even if it left Rosey insane (and basically acts how Amy-bashers think Prime-Amy acts like).

I might just be acting paranoid, but my gut feeling keeps telling me that someone with a personal dislike of the character was part of the writing or editing team for these particular scenes. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right, but that is my opinion on the matter.

 
(@darkest-light)
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Or Rosey just happened to break Amy's hammer, leaving the battle one-sided. I don't see that as favoritism, but just luck of the draw.

 
(@crazy-cham-lea_1722585730)
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A protagonist not always coming on top of the antagonist =/= hatred for or bias against the character. Otherwise with the antis we'd either have a bunch of go-nowhere standstills or the protagonists coming off as completely invincible (and since Sega won't allow some of these characters any major changes, that has to be played down anyway). Besides, Amy is a young, emotional girl with a good amount of confidence about her looks and abilities- and she was facing a decidedly twisted version of herself. She's seeing herself as a frightening, total mess. Looking into a cracked mirror like that could be just a little unsettling. It's not a jab against the character, just an outcome.

As for SA2, squeezing her in probably would have complicated things further. We weren't given much pagetime to cover the events as it was, so cramming in another character would have made things more cluttered... besides, wasn't she busy off in Mercia around that time (I don't have the issues handy)?

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

 
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Amy didn't show up in the SA2 adaption because canonically it happened at the worst possible time for the Freedom Fighters in the comics. Amy and Tails were going to school daily in Knothole. I also believe Sally was under some type of similar situation so she was out of the picture, too. Sonic was supposed to be on House Arrest but was sneaking out of Knothole to continue doing the hero thing when he was caught by GUN. No one was from Knothole was with Sonic during the adaption because they didn't know he was gone or where he had gone.

That was Sega's fault. They supposedly called for the adaption at the last minute which messed things up in the comics for a while.

I might just be acting paranoid,

I'll go with that.

Every character's had their ups and downs. In my personal opinion Sonic's had it a lot worst then any other character in the past 50-75 issues except possibly those who have ended up dead (including Knuckles). His problems are usually glossed over because he has good showmanship, though.

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

lolz

 
(@alex-warlorn)
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Or Rosey just happened to break Amy's hammer, leaving the battle one-sided. I don't see that as favoritism, but just luck of the draw.

Having her lose twice in a row to her alt-reality counter part (when all such fights with the exception of Master Emerald enhanced Scourge are supposed to be draws) seems just plain weird to me.

 
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Amy didn't show up in the SA2 adaption because canonically it happened at the worst possible time for the Freedom Fighters in the comics. Amy and Tails were going to school daily in Knothole. I also believe Sally was under some type of similar situation so she was out of the picture, too. Sonic was supposed to be on House Arrest but was sneaking out of Knothole to continue doing the hero thing when he was caught by GUN. No one was from Knothole was with Sonic during the adaption because they didn't know he was gone or where he had gone.

That was Sega's fault. They supposedly called for the adaption at the last minute which messed things up in the comics for a while.

I might just be acting paranoid,

I'll go with that.

Every character's had their ups and downs. In my personal opinion Sonic's had it a lot worst then any other character in the past 50-75 issues except possibly those who have ended up dead (including Knuckles). His problems are usually glossed over because he has good showmanship, though.

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

lolz

Well actually, Amy was training with her cousin Rob in Mercia at the time, and Turbo Tails was fighting Green Knuckles.

But yeah, Admin. and Cham pretty much summed it up. I think you're kind of blowing it a bit out of proportion. I don't think there's any favoritism against her.

 
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Well actually, Amy was training with her cousin Rob in Mercia at the time, and Turbo Tails was fighting Green Knuckles.

Ah yes. That's right. I keep thinking the Green Knuckles thing started after issue 100. Amy came back in the 100-110s and then she started to go to school. Thanks for clearing that up. *nod-nod*

From where I stand SA 2.5 (124-125) should have been the extent that Archie went into SA2. 98 just so happened to be the first issue I ever read of the comic (a birthday present) and in retrospect I didn't think it added anything significant nor really did Shadow or Rouge any justice. Rouge was seen in a non-speaking cameo on a grand total of one panel. I don't think Shadow got any lines in either story (the main and backstory) either. The attempt at an adaption they did was so far off from cannon that I ask why this is considered cannon when things that can be explained easier isn't.

 
(@alex-warlorn)
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Amy didn't show up in the SA2 adaption because canonically it happened at the worst possible time for the Freedom Fighters in the comics. Amy and Tails were going to school daily in Knothole. I also believe Sally was under some type of similar situation so she was out of the picture, too. Sonic was supposed to be on House Arrest but was sneaking out of Knothole to continue doing the hero thing when he was caught by GUN. No one was from Knothole was with Sonic during the adaption because they didn't know he was gone or where he had gone.

That was Sega's fault. They supposedly called for the adaption at the last minute which messed things up in the comics for a while.

I might just be acting paranoid,

I'll go with that.

Every character's had their ups and downs. In my personal opinion Sonic's had it a lot worst then any other character in the past 50-75 issues except possibly those who have ended up dead (including Knuckles). His problems are usually glossed over because he has good showmanship, though.

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

lolz

Well actually, Amy was training with her cousin Rob in Mercia at the time, and Turbo Tails was fighting Green Knuckles.

Hmm. Given how Rob is dead in the Anti- verse. This makes it feel MORE like Rosey was just a kid with a metaphorical hand gun against experienced fighters.

 
(@matt7325)
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It's because Sega demanded they do an adaptation but refused to give them any information to work with apart from the same promotional materials that everywhere else had received.

 
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Hmm. Given how Rob is dead in the Anti- verse. This makes it feel MORE like Rosey was just a kid with a metaphorical hand gun against experienced fighters.

We don't know when he died. For all we know Rosey could've gotten her training beforehand.

 
(@alex-warlorn)
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The point is that Rosey's two for two overwhelming victories against Amy didn't make sense.

 
(@sailor-rose-dust)
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Why not? It wasn't just Amy getting clobbered; Rosy was bashing people left and right. She's the very definition of a berzerker.

 
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The point is that Rosey's two for two overwhelming victories against Amy didn't make sense.

An overwhelming victory was Eggman beating the stuffing out of Sonic in the Egg Beater the first go around ... or Super Scourge for the majority of his appearance. Amy's hammer broke and she ran to Sonic for help. Doesn't sound like she got knocked around too much if she was still capable of running.

 
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It's just if I had seen just those two fights. I would have pegged Amy for the weakling of the group and a coward.

 
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Rosey would have no qualms about killing Amy in a fight; Amy would be focussed on trying to subdue Rosey and defend herself. Clearly Rosey would have the upper hand.

 
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It's just if I had seen just those two fights. I would have pegged Amy for the weakling of the group and a coward.

Wait, wait. She's a coward because, knowing that she stood a very good chance of getting killed, she fled? That's not cowardice; that's being smart.

 
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No. Fleeing is not cowardice, but the way she carried it out was. If she was thrown off by seeing ... well basically a version of her as everyone else sees her, it would have been nice for it to be touched on rather than her acting like a big weenie during both fights.

 
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Keep in mind that Amy is still a child; she just looks like she's one of the adults thanks to the ring. In reality she's around Tails' age and fares worst in a serious situation then him due to lack of experience whereas Tails has been helping the Freedom Fighters in one way or another for the majority of his life. She's been on the sidelines in comparison. Amy hasn't really been on any super-serious missions until very recently.

Amy's not a weakling. She's a newbie. Big difference.

 
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Operation Triple Trouble.

 
(@administrative)
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That was during " Home ", wasn't it? When Amy did support for the Chaotix? Where they could've picked up the slack if she messed up or got hurt?

This time Amy was essentially by herself because Sonic was busy and Buns was taken out of it early.

 
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"Where they could've picked up the slack if she messed up or got hurt? " Which she did not and was not.

 
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Give the girl a break.

Like Admin said, she hasn't had near as much experience in battle as the rest of the FFs. At least she knows to play it safe and not pull stupid stunts to prove something.

 
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Rosey would have no qualms about killing Amy in a fight; Amy would be focussed on trying to subdue Rosey and defend herself. Clearly Rosey would have the upper hand.

Thread ended here.

 
(@alex-warlorn)
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Just because you're insane, can't think rationally, unable to logically anticipate your opponent, controlled mostly by your base impulses, unable to think of even most the basic strategy other than "attack, attack, attack, etc" and have your mind trapped in a fog making your perception of reality skewered can see things clearly, doesn't mean you have an advantage over your sane biological twin in a fight.

 
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Intimidation can be a powerful inhibitor.

 
(@alex-warlorn)
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Still comes across as fan service for the Amy bashers.

 
(@nelstone)
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Still comes across as fan service for the Amy bashers.

Where is that coming from? Just seemed like another comic fight to me.

 
(@toby-barrett)
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Sounds more to me like someone just needs something to complain about. Honestly, this is just getting ridiculous. Alex, you're looking FAR TOO MUCH into this.

 
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Still comes across as fan service for the Amy bashers.

Amy got her hammer broke. So now she must be useless. Yeah. That's terrible. No one had it as bad as her.

Not Sonic who ... well ... way too many things happened to him this year to pick any one example.

Not Sally who lost her chance to the throne to her blatantly incompetent brother.

Not Tails who had his heart crushed by the only woman he ever loved.

Not Knuckles who lost the majority of his family, his home, and nearly his sanity.

Not Shadow who ... well ... we all know about Shadow.

... but Amy who had the hammer that she got back in time for Phoenix Down broken.

Yep. Stinks to be her. No one understands her pain.

Fan service was whatever Bunnie was wearing back in the early 90s (Daisy ... Dukes?). This is just Amy getting equal treatment.

 
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