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Of course not...every comic evolves and changes with the times. But in this case, that evolution is not for the better. The constant additions and references make the core focus of the series scattershot at best, a bumbling convoluted mess at worst.
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In your oh-so-humble opinion. =p
Yeah, really. The majority of the reaction I've seen towards such little things has been downright positive - you seem to be speaking for yourself and putting it as fact. Considering how much different direction the two sources (SatAM and games) have taken over the years, I personally have been impressed with the way things have been worked in. "Scattershot" and "convoluted" don't remotely come to mind as of late.
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I think you know nothing of what the cartoon was about
NO. i do think that robobotnik knows exactly what the cartoon was about, it seems like he understood it pretty well from what i've read.
it doesn't matter what ben hurst says in his interview, there was no super amazing plot that you had to read between the lines to get. robobotnik hit every nail right on the head.
There was no super amazing plot where you had to read between the lines to get, because the writers wanted it that way. They didn't want to turn it into a soap opera. They wanted every episode to be able to stand alone and not rely excessively on backstory or previous episodes.
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The most compelling characters in the Sonic universe were all characters that were outright ignored. Knuckles? Amy? Nowhere. As if they never existed.
Because they didn't "exist." Remember, this cartoon was plotted out in 1992 (because Archie used the info from the cartoon plans to publish a comic in 1992 & Feb 1993). Amy didn't exist until September 1993 (when the showed debuted) for the creatives. Knuckles didn't exist until Feb 1994 (the same year the cartoon basically got cancelled).
I love Knuckles, but it doesn't make sense to expect him in that cartoon, nor Amy.
The rest of your post boils down to taste, particularly when serving up some really good shows (ala TMNT) as "bad ones," so there's no point in responding to it.
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EDIT: I made some points toward the newbie without realizing that TR and others had already addressed them. Darn the luck.
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There was no super amazing plot where you had to read between the lines to get,
then why is it that 90% of satam fans think it deserves a third season? i've been on this forum for a long time, and almost every *die-hard* fan of satam has thought that it was god among tv shows, but when they are countered with an "oh it wasn't that great" they get all defensive and say it has a darker tone than AOSTH (which was as light hearted as it gets) and then they start preaching that their were powerful emotional developments between characters and constent what ifs about seasons 3-666.
while i don't agree with everything robobotnik said, he made alot of good points. the reviews were all right in their opinions and there's no reason to complain about it. you got your damn boxset after years of whining. you got to watch the nostalgia of your childhood again. awesome. great. done deal. just don't complain when the comic is changing with the times, it happens. whatever, there's not going to be a "segasonic the comic" there's archie. that's all.
Bear in mind that Archie isn't, has never been, and will never be satam. Satam is long dead while archie is alive and well. don't give Satam any credit for the success of STH. don't give Sega all the credit for the success of STH.
give it to karl bollers, ken penders, ian flynn, (hell even romy chacon), and every other writer,artist and anyone who's even worked in it and especially to all the fans. Not just the fans of SATAM, not just the fans of sega sonic or sonic X or AOSTH. everyone. the thing that makes archie sucessful is archie. not just one group.
Here is a link to my review of the DVD. I hope you like it(and don't think it is dumb), even if you don't agree with me. Feel free to read my other reviews, two reviews of the musical "Les Miserables." That is all for now, I might post more about things that have been said later.
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then why is it that 90% of satam fans think it deserves a third season?
Because it ended on a cliff-hanger. Seriously. That is the biggest reason. There are plenty of series I've seen come & go. But SatAM ended on a cliff-hanger.
When Gargoyles was canned, it had a semblence of a conclusion. TMNT had a semblence of a conclusion. No other series that I can think of that I remember from "my childhood" that actually had a running plot to it ended on a cliff-hanger like SatAM did. None. It's possible I've forgotten one, but I doubt it.
Just like it drives me crazy when some of my favorite fan fiction authors stop writing that have running plots, it makes me want a continuation even more. The longer the wait, the more I want it. If I get it (and occassionally I do), it almost always worth that wait--other than the fact that waiting again brings that desire all back.
Whenever people are really into Archie, those 28-30 days of waiting can at times be almost nerve-wracking. I know I had times when it was. If you're into something, and it just ends right in the middle, that's annoying beyond words.
If SatAM ended with Sonic/Sally kissing, the desire for a 3rd season would not be as strong as it is by the addition of those 30 seconds (or however long it was) with Snively and the glowing red eyes. That cliff-hanger did it. It did it for me. It did it for my sister (and she is NOT what you'd call a die-hard fan though she liked the series a lot). It did it for her boyfriend (and both via me have learned a little bit about what was "supposed to happen").
The point of cliff-hangers is to make you want more and if you were a fan of SatAM, that's what it did--and that particular cliff-hanger did it well.
You got a point with that cliffhanger. But for me, it wasn't just that cliffhanger which made me want another season...
I never caught SatAM when it first aired. Nor was I able to catch it in reruns. I was aware of the series, and Archie back in the day was a big help for that. It wasn't until I got online when I got into the series. I read the plot synopsis of each story. I read what the writers had planned for with the third season. They'd planned to make Tails more prevalent. They planned a love triangle between Sally, Sonic and another Freedom Fighter. They'd intended to make Naugus a real threat. Reading about the level of ambition that was going to be put into the third season is what still leaves me wanting more.
Archie is indeed responsible for their own continued success. But they couldn't do it back then without SatAM, and right now it seems they think they can't continue without greater narrative influence from Sega. The problem I see right now with the series is that it is having an identity crisis. It doesn't know whether it wants to be the continuation of a decade-dead cartoon that was cancelled on a cliffhanger, or a marketing tool for a fading gaming franchise whose storytelling ideas over the last few years have been questionable. It's a precarious situation, and seems it's trying to do both. The results have predictably been mixed. I'm not saying it has to do one or the other, in fact I think it should try its own direction. It doesn't need Sega to survive.
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Archie is indeed responsible for their own continued success. But they couldn't do it back then without SatAM, and right now it seems they think they can't continue without greater narrative influence from Sega. The problem I see right now with the series is that it is having an identity crisis. It doesn't know whether it wants to be the continuation of a decade-dead cartoon that was cancelled on a cliffhaner, or a marketing tool for a fading gaming franchise whose storytelling ideas over the last few years have been questionable. It's a precarious situation, and seems it's trying to do both. The results have predictably been mixed. I'm not saying it has to do one or the other, in fact I think it should try its own direction. It doesn't need Sega to survive.
not true, it's doing fine and it's not a continuation of SATAM or a marketing tool for sega.
I liked the ambiquity of the ending. I never much cared for Naugus on a design level (like someone played cut-and-paste with monster makeup) and I imagined Metal Sonic with the red eyes. So the writers had diffrent ideas. Had Season 3 come about, I might have liked it. Or maybe I'd have changed the channel. There's not much point fretting the coulda been's. You want more SatAM? Write it, draw it, read it. Like this little scene:
Why Rotor Doesn't Date
SONIC: Didja ever think about settling down, Rote?
ROTOR: I'm married to my work. *click*
NICOLE: Download complete.
ROTOR: *scrolls down*
SONIC: ...That's quite a porn collection ya got there.
ROTOR: ;}
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not true, it's doing fine and it's not a continuation of SATAM or a marketing tool for sega.
Yeah, it is both there duder... The comic is based DIRECTLY on the cartoon. Now, it has strayed from the source material, but that's what happens.
And the comic is a way for Sega to market Sonic. All companies want your money. It's how the world works. Brand recognition is HUGE in today's world. Sonic and his cartoons are no different from the Bratz or the Treasure Trolls... Now, the writing for Sonic might be better than anything else, but that's just an opinion.
In my humble little corner of fanfiction, the eyes behind Snively were that of Metal Sonic's. As for Naugus and Robotnik...it goes something like this...Robotnik's escape vehicle crashes nearby the collapsed Doomsday site. Dazed and confused from the crash, he opens the door and stumbles from the wreckage. Suddenly, the Void opening appears directly in front of him, sucking him in. Now Naugus has him in his vengeful clutches...
But that's just me. And the comic is a marketing tool on top of a cartoon continuation. I just wish they realize they have the opportunity to go beyond that.
I really wouldn't call the comic a "continuation". The show and the comic both have very differnt stories and histories from each other!
What The Eggpire said.
Besides, Robotnik met his demise in the comic slightly differently form the show, but the core idea of freedom-fighters-overthrowing-the-industrialised-megalomaniac was the same. I could go far by ripping off science fiction stories and call these series two very different alternate universes.
Archie Sonic was started during the time SatAM was being developed, and the early issues were based on what had been decided for SatAM at the time the first few stories were being written. SatAM was developed further before it was produced, however.
Later, while SatAM was on and shortly after that, elements of the show were added into the comic (like Nicole, and the Ring Pool)... but it never quite ended up the same. And with Endgame, it blasted off into new territory.
The comic always had more of the games in it than SatAM, and as new games came out, new elements were added. There were times I was afraid it would throw away what it had become to be purely a SegaSonic ad, but it didn't happen.
So no, while it has SatAM elements, it is not a "continuation" of SatAM, and while part of its' reason for existence is being a marketing tool, it is far more than that.
It's my understanding that the two series run sort of parallel in storyline terms. Yes, some elements like the Wolf Pack have the same origin as they did in the cartoon - but others, like Nicole, have totally different ones.
They're based on the same model, but they're not identical by any means - even in terms of background story.
I just got this new DVD for $25.99 and its awesome! I get to relive my childhood and see the second season I missed! Looks cooler than the first 
