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(@ian-potto_1722585839)
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I'm probably asking for trouble by wading into this debate, but what's life without its little adventures?

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Speaking of Knux and Juile-Su, I have never understood why Sega would approve of them having a child out of wedlock. Even if it is only a possible future, why would they have Knux being immoral?


To address the first concern of what Sega allows, I'd suggest we look at Knuckles' contributions since Sonic Adventure.
SA(DX) - His own sub-plot and gameplay with a pretty sharp tie to the back-story
SA2(B) - He isn't as tightly woven into the plot but he's still. We also get the entrance of Shadow, who I maintain "took Knuckles' job."
SH - He's present as the resident Power-type but with very little reason to be there outside of rounding out the team.
StH - Again, very little presence in the game. We also get the beginnings of "stupid Knuckles," notably his comic chasing of Eggman at the very end.
Riders/Rush/Battle - Hard-hitter, but a bumbling buffoon
Sonic06 - What little time he did get was pointless.

Despite my position on the book, I haven't a clue what the SoJ marketing and story-telling offices are planning or thinking. But given the rise in Shadow's prominence and the drop in Knuckles' credibility as the friendly foe of old I'd say he's been "demoted" to side-kick. Tails is the youthful, weaker genius and Knuckles is the gruffer, stronger doofus.

Perhaps I'm completely off and I'm misinterpreting the recent games, but that's the apparent direction to me.

Now to the stickier topic:

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Even if it is only a possible future, why would they have Knux being immoral?

Speaking for myself, I would think better of Sonic if his relationship with Sally was stable, and I do think less Knux for even the idea that he could(at some point)have a child out of wedlock. I don't exspect them to be perfect, but I do exspect better from them in how they theat women.


First the easy one: Sonic and Sallys (romantic) relationship is stable. There isnt one.

For the harder one: I dont think its fair to condemn Knuckles alone. He has shown nothing but respect on all levels of the relationship to Julie-Su. Nor has there been any indication of resentment on her part shown in M25YL. If anything it would appear she entered into the pairing willing to forego the ceremony. Honestly, the only time I can think of a partnership being shown as one-sided in the book was Drago and Hershey. In that instance he got what he deserved, she became stronger and moved on.

For the hardest one: I dont find M25YL-Knuckles and Julie-Su immoral. Theyre loving, supportive partners who are there for their daughter. She is provided for, nurtured, and deeply loved and she knows this. A ring on a finger and official documentation doesnt provide any of that.

Personally, Id prefer to go through the paces and make things official because I look forward to the ceremony. I also think my partner and I would be able to do the parent thing just fine without being officially married; the taxes and other legal holdings would just be trickier. I have far more respect for alternative families who make it work than traditionalists who make everyone involved miserable on account of whats right.

This, however, misses the point entirely. We could spend months debating the moral issues, but its out beliefs and that doesnt amount to a hill of beans in this debate. Im following Knuckles character as it has been set before me. This isnt to say something down the line couldnt change his mind . . . like, say, by this April. But I did want to poke my head in on the immorality issue.

Now, since I believe Ive sufficiently shattered the no relationship discussion rule, I humbly bow-out and hope everyone enjoys the issue when it comes out.

 
(@dirk-amoeba)
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Naw, you're all right because you're not discussing the relationship between Knuckles and Julie-Su, but rather their parenting capabilities.

But if you ever do step out of line, don't expect any special treatment. :lol

 
(@ian-potto_1722585839)
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But if you ever do step out of line, don't expect any special treatment.


I wouldn't have it any other way ;)

 
(@questern)
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...what are Sega's regulations regarding relationships?

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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...what are Sega's regulations regarding relationships?


Sonic X Elise

 
(@darkest-light)
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XD! Nooo SH!! don't tell them the truthful answer. It'll make heads explode!!!

 
(@miss-puar)
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(@veckums)
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You think Sega of America would object to Knuckles not being married but not being the enforcer of an evil Shadow regime?

Sadly I think that might actually be possible, but apparently they didn't object or notice.

 
(@dirk-amoeba)
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Vec, Knuckles only held that position only for the purposes of infiltrating Shadow's "evil" regime, as well as (one would speculate) making it a bit less evil. I don't see why Sega would have a problem with that.

In any case, what you'd think Sega would really object to would be making Knuckles green for a whole year.

 
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When I said I would like Sonic and Sally's relationship to be stable, I meant romatic. I want them to get back together(I am sure everyone here knows that)and then stay together. I just have to trust that Ian did not lie to me in an e-mail.

Anyway, Ian does bring up a good point that Juile-Su does have her share of the blame, but I still think what Knux and Juile-Su did in M25YL was wrong. For me it doesn't matter if they are good parents, it is a good thing that they are good parents, but IMO it still doesn't make it right that they are not married.

I admit I get worried I will get in trouble for talking about relationships, sometimes the way things are I have a hard time keeping myself from talking about it. However, I don't think we will get in trouble on this thread, since it is issue related, as long as we are civil.

 
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To quote something I wrote on the SonicAnime.net forums, for those that have thought about saying something about it here, then let me be the first then to do so:

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And the reason for this is, the fact that they are sick and tired of hearing about it, Me, i don't mind ethier way, cause I know that a Son/Sal reunion is in the works of becoming reality real soon, just not sure when it will happen.

So I think those that have those feelings should deal with it, I mean hey when Marvel married off Peter Parker and Mary Jane or when DC married over Clark Kent and Lois Lane, did many fans grip over it, no because they all knew it was going to happen eventurlly, and I think that's how these people whither they've read the comic or not should handled and as I said before, deal with it.

Don't you agree?


 
(@charlesrocketboy)
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I still think what Knux and Juile-Su did in M25YL was wrong.


Why? They live in a completely different world which doesn't possess the same religions or culture as ours - why would they follow social mores and views about family from our part of Earth? Not even everyone from our part of Earth follows them, and they live here.

 
(@dirk-amoeba)
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Please keep relationship discussion out of here. Keeping it civil is easier said than done (this is, after all, the Internet). And if you'd like to debate the sanctity of marriage, please do it in Marble Garden.

Heh heh... perhaps there ought to be a "Marble Knothole" forum... :lol

 
(@questern)
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Heh heh... perhaps there ought to be a "Marble Knothole" forum...


All I could think of was Sonic slipping around on Marble floors...

 
(@soopahsonic)
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It is not Sonic who is getting married. Why? Amy is crying out of happiness. If it was Sonic, She would flood the cover page. But it would be ultimately funny if he WAS and Amy was crying out of loss..

Querstern-I like the way you think!

P.S. I do not like Amy that much.

 
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