Ha! I'd wonder more about what Sonic's problem is! You do NOT date your best friend's crush. Whether he has a chance with her or not. And he might have a bit of a grudge, but I'm not too sure that's what's going to cause the stuff mentioned in the spoilers.

Tails is a big crybaby. That's what his problem is.

But Sonic did not know about Tail's feelings for Fiona until long after Sonic got involved with her.

There seem to be more to Tail's anger toward Sonic than just Sonic dating Fiona.

Sonic knew about Tails' crush WAY before he and Fiona got together. He even mentions it in issue 134.

I say give Tails a break. He's kinda an emotional mess, what with Fiona+Sonic, Fiona betraying, his parents showing up, Tommy and Sir Connery dying in front of him, and all that happened in 175. He's just a kid, after all.

If Sonic knew that Tails had a crush on Fiona, he should have thought twice about dating her. Of course, Archie Sonic isn't known for his fidelity.

That said, I'm itching to know just what the proverbial straw is that pushes Tails over the edge.

If I was in Sonic's position, I still would've dated Fiona regardless of Tails' apparent crush on her.

Like, srsly, age difference, guys.

Age difference or not, Sonic and Fiona didn't have to flaunt it like they did.

But he could and he did.

I doubt Tails is still acting vindictive over Sonic dating Fiona, there's something else below the surface. Mobius is not a safe world for a young kitsune. I think it has to do more with how everyone loves Sonic and still doesn't fully trust Tails, due to his age. And Tails is jealous. Or maybe he knows Sonic broke his Aunt Sally's heart. Either way, it can't be Fiona alone.

Tails has every right to be mad at Sonic, he has been immature and selfish, which has hurt his friendship with others, not just with Tails.
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I didn't think Sonic should have dated Fiona, and not just because of Tails. I'll leave it at that. Sonic has a lot of growing up to do, and changes he needs to make in his life, or he might ruin the best friendships he has ever had forever.

Also, I don't think the Fiona issue is the only reason for Tails' problem, or even the main problem now, with Sonic, it sounds like he does blame Sonic for what happened in issue #175. No wonder Tails parents will be able to convince Tails to join them in rebelling against the crown.

Man, #178 can't get here soon enough. Whatever's about to go down, it's gonna be big, and the wait is killing me.

Steady on with the saying that Sonic and Sally should've reconciled and avoided Fiona, DC - that ventures out of discussing the storyline and into personal opinions on who should date who. That's against the embargo, since you aren't directly relating it to the plot. 🙂

Personally, I think that Tails is just growing up and forming his own opinions, rather than blindly following Sonic's lead and his own rose-tinted opinion.

He's not the first character to've realised that Sonic's mental age is seemingly still in single figures and he won't be the last.

I'm reminded of the fact that Geoffrey St. John's had the same opinion of Sonic's gung-ho disregard for anyone else's authority and his strategy of trying to thug and backtalk things into defeat for years - and I've always been open about not knowing why St. John gets hated for it.

Tails is almost a teenager in his own right - in asserting his own identity by getting his own responsibilities, crushing on Fiona and whatnot, moving out of the hedgehogs' home with his own family and actually getting to develop a life away from Sonic and Sonic's influence and opinions for the first time he can remember, he's having to look at Sonic differently.

All that Sonic could do in #176 when Tails tried to suggest an idea was come back with an "I know best" reply, as usual - not bother lisyening, carry on regardless... This had to happen sooner or later as Tails cut the apron strings, but Sonic's brought it on himself.

*hopes that tails beats up sonic*

seriously no one would see it coming.

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Now thatwould be interesting!

Didn't Geoff get hated because he had an interest in Sally and none of the fans were having that?

I can see how Tails might be growing up and not being the same wide eyed guy who followed Sonic around all the time. The question might be is if when Sonic will began to see the light...will it take a few more ownings by Eggman for him to get the point?

Tails should have voiced his grieviences to Sonic if he was truely bothered by Sonic's behavior. Sally has no problem calling Sonic on his crap. Maybe that is why Sonic and Sally's friendship is starting to heal. And Sonic was not the only to blame for the breakup. Sally can no longer handle Sonic doing the hero thing and made the mistake of giving him an ultimatumn instead of trying to discuss her issues with him. Sonic's relationship with Fiona began after his breakup with Sally. So while Sonic did not understand Sally's fears for his life, Sally could not understand why Sonic felt that he can do more good as a hero than as a co-ruler. So the blame rests on both of them. The rift between Sonic and Tails is growing because of not only Sonic's leaping before he looks, but also of Tail's unwillingness to work things out when Sonic tried to reach out to him. Seems like Tails does not want to heal his friendship with Sonic at all.

Sonic tried to reach out to Tails after Fiona's double cross, but Tails just brushed him aside. Tails just wants to hate Sonic.

well, i dont think tails wants to "hate" sonic. but u do make a good point tails kind of brushed sonic aside.

btw, ya may wanna watch yourself, the son/sal thing kind of looked like relationship talk if u ask me. though, i am not a moderator so whatever.

You get the feeling Sonic may take The House of Acorn's side during this upcomming mobian civil war?

Sally's on it - of course he will... *eyeroll*

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We saw in 176 what happens when he does: Sonic says "I know best!" and carries on anyway, which is why Tails snapped.

He never really talked to Tails about Fiona, either - it was Fiona herself who was left to that, whilst Sonic shuffled his feet in the background.

It might not be the most sensible thing to do, but I can understand why Tails might think that trying to talk to Sonic about anything just isn't worth the trouble.

All of the narrative we've seen is of Sonic saying that he means or needs to have a chat with Tails or thinking that Tails has something on his mind, but not actually following anything through.

I think that Tails has probably picked up that attitude directly from Sonic: when in doubt, why negotiate when you can pout, yell and backtalk and stomp off in a sulk?

Sonic certainly hasn't come across as approachable recently, when all he's been doing is chasing girls and occasionally using Tails as a brain-for-hire.

I still think that a lot of this is the natural boundary-pushing that comes with puberty, but Tails seems to be copying Sonic's behaviour, and I still think that Sonic's asking for it.

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Didn't Geoff get hated because he had an interest in Sally and none of the fans were having that?

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At times, it felt as though Geoff was hated for just existing - but there was a sizeable groundswell that viewed him as a villain for having the audacity to try to tell Sonic that he had to do as he was told, like everyone else.

If the community can hate a guy for trying to tell Sonic to do as he's told and stick to the plan, might Tails start to get a little hate for his gradual change in attitude? Part of me doubts it because he's so hugely popular but stranger things have happened.

I hated Geoff because he reminded me of Pepe Le Pew.

I used to hate Geoff when I was in the Sonic x Sally phase, but now that I'm older, I see that he was right about Sonic being irresponsible. I don't know if it's the recent love dodecahedron or his immaturity, but I've started to really dislike Sonic right now. I'll have to wait until the next few issue before I decide.

Sonic is 17, as of his birthday issue, right? So why is he still acting like a twelve-year-old?

He's probably 18, actually. His 16th birthday was in issue #68. 57 issues later in #125, Sonic is warped into space for a whole year. 31 issues after he returns in #129, he has a birthday. So, at that point, he had to be at least 18 years old. Ian didn't want to attack the question in that issue, though, so his age hasn't been officially answered yet.

Too get off topic for just a sec. That's one problem I have with the comic. Why do they feel the need to keep aging an ageless character? Yes, I know he's got an official age in the games, but still, he's just one of those characters who are never meant to age, imo. Like Bugs Bunny or Mickey Mouse.

As for St. John, I just did'nt like him because of the way his dialouge was written. Something about it irked me.

Story filler perhaps? I can't think of much else...I doubt many care about those birthday stories (Wait, there was a birthday story?)

Maybe Sonic seems the same age all the time was because in the minds of the editors and writers, thats what sold back n the day, and they think quite stupidly, "If it sold in 1995, it certainly can now!"

Either that, or the writers are so used of writing Sonic as a immature horny dog, that they intend on carrying it out.

But who really knows?

I couldn't care less about his age, but I would like to see some changes in his attitude. You don't have to age a character in order to make him more mature.

Is a somewhat mature Sonic so much to ask for?

Sonic should be allowed to age chronologically and mentally(and any other way). It just doesn't seem right that other characters are seemingly being allowed to mature and Sonic isn't. Plus I think it hurts his growth and developement, both as a creature and a character.

Yea, because the comic will be so freaking awesome when he's having his midlife crisis lol m i rite?

You mean 20 years from now?
If the comics going after that long, then why not?

All the characters should age and develop. Especially since the fanbase that built the original franchise, who were young teens when the Genesis came out, are themselves older and less inclined towards tweenish hyperactivity and unrepentant childishness.

Well if those readers are so concerned about "growing up" then they should'nt be reading Sonic in the first place.

Actually, to split hairs, Sonic has probably just turned 17. Issue... #152, I think? said that it had been eleven years since Robotnik's takeover. Of course it's impossible to decipher the timeline, since there's supposedly a year between #11 and #68, and then another year between #68 and #160, including his "year" spent in space...

Let's get back on topic shall we

The reason for Tails current and upcoming change is due not only to the fact that Sonic dated the woman he was in love with, (I'm sure he'll bring that up)but also the fact that I believe growing up he finally realizes from what he sees and hears that Sonic is treating this whole war with Eggman/Robotnik as if it's some kind of game he can win on his own and not realizing that this war is not a game and needs for him to take it very seriously. (as we saw in first few pages of #176)

Another reason as I mentioned befiely up above maybe the fact that he sees all these couples together like BunniexAntione, KnucklesxJuile-Su and quite possibly SonicxSally and feels perhaps that it's his turn to have someone in his life and thought that he may have had that with Fiona, despite the age difference. and hey he may still. (find out of who I mean at the end of this)

And the final reason is perhaps he's been listening to what parents have to say about Sonic and the royal family and is taking to heart and at the same time allowing himself to be blinded to the real truth of what's going on.

But those are just my thoughts.

Ps. and who the one Tails may end with, lets just say she recently gained a physical form.

God Bless.

BW, throwing that into the mix is definitely against the relationship embargo. It's got nothing to do with any of the current plot.

I keep seeing people referring to Sonic chasing girls and the like, but who's he supposed to have been chasing recently? He was sticking with Fiona for past year, he'd seperated from Sally yonks ago, Mina was attached, and Bunnie snogged him in #152. Am I missing someone?

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I keep seeing people referring to Sonic chasing girls and the like, but who's he supposed to have been chasing recently? He was sticking with Fiona for past year, he'd seperated from Sally yonks ago, Mina was attached, and Bunnie snogged him in #152. Am I missing someone?

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Apparently complimenting Nicole on her new look means he's all over her. Kinda similar to Amy/Mina having a crush on him = dating in some people's eyes, I guess. He's only ever had two girlfriends.

Increasing age doesn't mean increasing maturity. Not increasing age doesn't mean not increasing maturity.

Age and maturity do not have to go hand in hand--and many times do not. So "aging" the characters has absolutely no bearing on whether a character will or won't become more mature. That's strictly an individual personality thing.

There's no such thing as a set timeline in Archie. Everything is vague because if you've been reading long enough there's something that contradicts something else--even down to when the coup happened (much less how long ago it was). Though, #68 and #160 had either "2 years or 1 year" pass depending on how one wants to interpret statements made. I'm personally in the "2 years" camp. ;p

Just because someone is an adult and still likes comic books does not, in and off itself, make the person immature IMO.

It is true that Sonic does not have to age to grow in maturity or not. Still, I would like to see Sonic age some in the course of the comic, even if it is very slowly. Right now, I do want to Sonic go though some changes in personality, and I like to believe there are ways that can be done without seemlying being out of character. Sonic's behavior towards some of his friends has hurt his reputation, rightly or wrongly, somewhat IMO. I would like to see Sonic become more unselfish, kinder, and considerate towards his friends(especailly Tails and Sally), like I know he is capible of being.

CharlesRocketboy, I am sending you a PM.

You were right with that girl comment, Charles. I'll hold my hands up on that one.

I've got to stop thinking back through storylines when I'm tired... *eyeroll*

With how everyone else has been aged, it's sensible to assume Tails is entering puberty. I'm sure that may also be a factor in his changing attitudes. I'm looking forward to seeing this clash. It's refreshing in a story to see best friends lock horns at times. it's more realistic.

From 176:
Sonic: Dude, about earlier.
Tails: Yeah, Sonic, I... (Get inturrupted by apperance or Eggman' Battle suit)
They were going to talk about their fight from the beggining of the issue if it wasn't for Eggman. No one else mentioned this little moment in the issue, so I thought I would bring it up. bw1979 was right. You do have to read between the lines.

Some of us hadn't read 176 until this morning...

I'm reminded of the fact that Geoffrey St. John's had the same opinion of Sonic's gung-ho disregard for anyone else's authority and his strategy of trying to thug and backtalk things into defeat for years - and I've always been open about not knowing why St. John gets hated for it.

I didn't understand why people hated St. John either when I got in to the comic in issue 76. However when I started collecting some of the back issues, I began to understand. I didn't like how Geoffery gat an itchy trigger finger, when he got into an argument with Sonic, and pointed a crossbow at Sonic's head a number of times.

Geoffrey filled a void. Not all good guys have to LIKE the main hero, and that internal conflict can make an action story more exciting. (Ex. pre RoJ Han Solo, post Namek Vegeta, Oversoul aka Shaman King's Tao Ren)
Antoine, Knuckles, Shadow, and Ash have all played the "friendly nemesis" role at one point or another but for my money nobody did it better than Geoff.
I'm sure Sonic and Tails will patch things up at one point, and also that eventually someone else will butt heads with the 'hog. It's the way of the (comic) world.

There was plenty to dislike about St.John that doesn't have anything to do with relationships. He had an ego/attitude at least just as bad as Sonic's, and could come across as harsh and a bit of a bully; like when, as Solo said, pointing his crossbow at Sonic. St.John's obsession with getting Sonic, especially during "Endgame," reminded me a little of Inspector Javert in "Les Miserables(which "Endgame" was somewhat of a take on)." Tails can get away with critizing Sonic because more than St.John could, with fans, because he is more likible. Luckily, St.John has seemed to have changed for the better.

Yeah. It seems that Sonic has a lot of other "bad" conflicts with some of the other characters besides Dr. Eggman. Then again, the "sonic-tails" conflict could go either a short or long time. It depends.

When Sonic & Geoffrey St. John were rivals, that lasted for several years (in our time, of course.)

When Mina Mongoose's boyfriend, Ash had a problem with Sonic, that only lasted, i believe, a couple years.

So, i guess it'll depend on how big the problem is.

I think Tails' problem is that, though Sonic is his best friend, he's spent so many years in Sonic's shadow that he's become somewhat jealous. Add in the fact that Fiona, the girl whose Auto-Automaton duplicate Tails fell in love with, got together with Sonic for a short time, and all that jealousy quickly becomes hostility. By entering into a relationship with a girl Tails had feelings for that weren't returned and not telling him about it, Sonic shattered Tails' idolism of him, and he began to see Sonic in a more negative light. Now he realizes that Sonic is really irresponsible, and Tails holds that against him. As a result, it was really only a matter of time before they went to war. But hopefully, once they've knocked some sense into each other, they'll be able to resolve their differences and be friends again.

If only Archie could do something like that with Sonic and Sally now. 😉