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Sonic the Hedgehog #175 SPOILERS: The Unthinkable Happens

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(@lseth)
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I'm still annoyed that Eggman just lets Sonic go at the end with no real explanation. Come on, give us SOMETHING, or else we're stuck with "Eggman let Sonic go for plot reasons" which isn't very good. I didn't like it when Eggman did it at the end of Darkest Storm, and I didn't like it when he did it here. I seem to be one of the few that cares about that, but I always get annoyed when the bad guy lets the good guy live for no reason. If we find out it was to advance the bad guy's goals (i.e. let the good guy live so they'll figure some riddle out that the bad guy can't figure out), that's fine, but here it's really more of a "well, the plot needs you alive and not captured, so you stay alive and not captured!"

And, yeah...#173 and #174 just didn't seem to end up going anywhere. I guess maybe after this arc it's possible the events there could be continued, but still...

Sonic should get Tails and Knuckles to fight Eggman's new suit though. Hey, it worked for the Egg Emperor, didn't it?

This probably will be ignored, but...what about the Chao? They were brought to the Lake of Rings in #174, and in #175 it gets destroyed. Whatever happened to them?

 
(@erinaceus)
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My jaded political views aside...the political analogy was the best I could come up with in the short time I had to think and respond after reading your post...and I was level headed. If you dislike that analogy, then here's another:

A "majority" of Sonic fans wanted to see a darker Sonic game. A "majority" wanted to see a Sonic title with weapons. The result: Shadow the Hedgehog.

My point is...the majority isn't always right, and aiming to please the majority isn't always the right idea, especially when writing for something like a comic book. You gotta throw curve balls or even non-sequiturs to keep things from becoming stale and predictable. And you gotta listen to your critics as well as your fans...I know other readers who aren't exactly 100% pleased with the way things are going. Not listening to their critics and not learning from missteps is what's gotten Sonic Team under so much fire from the gaming community. And for all you know, you may not really be in the majority. You're in the majority around here, but elsewhere...

 
(@charlesrocketboy)
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unless of course Sega power trips and demands it be put in there


Which is their right, as they own and created Sonic.

 
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(@_dc_)
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I have a feeling that the Sat a.m. characters are going to be recused soon, that is why I don't mind the Sega characters having some action and not complaining(at least not yet).

 
(@hypershadow77)
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DC, enough complaining anyway. that's the problem we've been addressing.

also. wanna know how many votes bush actually got in the first election? 7.

 
(@samanfur-the-fox)
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This is in danger of going off-topic - but since this could apply to both games and comics...

I disagree. The real "majority" in these situations is generally the people who're apathetic and passively consume whatever's on offer - the games or comics - rather than actually try to enter dialogue about it.

Sonic has fans ll over the world. The people who give feedback're the ones who care enough to fill out questionnaires, or go to places whose views get listened to, or get picked for focus groups. Even the online fandom in places like this is a minority.

But to say that the majority wanted Shadow or anything else is something I would challenge. The people who wanted that were just the people who made enough noise and who - ultimately - someone felt like listening to anyway.

It's the same with anything else.

 
(@ian-potto_1722585839)
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And you gotta listen to your critics as well as your fans...I know other readers who aren't exactly 100% pleased with the way things are going.

I certainly hope I haven't come across as deaf to complaints. As I have stressed in the past, I want critiques. I want feedback, good or bad. I've gotten some good stuff here and on my own forum, but I'm always looking for more.

Case in point: nobody seemed to pick up on Dr. Eggman being the narrator for STH#174. Looking back, I see steps could have been taken to make it more obvious, and it's something I need to remember next time we do something like that.

The only critisms I'll out-right dismiss are those that are impractical (dimish/abolish SegaSonic material) or speculative ones about upcoming events (such as the delightfully rampant speculation of the current storyline).

I'd really like to go into detail about why certain events in STH#175 went down, or why specifically certain characters remain active and others were captured. But I can't do that and not give something away. I'll be touching on it all in the eventual Script Bits! feature in my neck of the web [/shameless self-promotion]

(edited for some laughable typos)

 
(@ehh123)
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Thank you for making that point, Ian. There are two expressions that I loved seeing from Sonic. The first was his crazy look when he said, "I got your "limit" right here!". The second was his concerned look when he finds out even after his big attack showing his "limit", Eggman and his battle armor was still standing (even though he did dented his shield).

 
(@full-metal-rayzor_1722585901)
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I'm still annoyed that Eggman just lets Sonic go at the end with no real explanation. Come on, give us SOMETHING, or else we're stuck with "Eggman let Sonic go for plot reasons" which isn't very good. I didn't like it when Eggman did it at the end of Darkest Storm, and I didn't like it when he did it here. I seem to be one of the few that cares about that, but I always get annoyed when the bad guy lets the good guy live for no reason. If we find out it was to advance the bad guy's goals (i.e. let the good guy live so they'll figure some riddle out that the bad guy can't figure out), that's fine, but here it's really more of a "well, the plot needs you alive and not captured, so you stay alive and not captured!"


Honestly, I believe Eggy let Sonic go because he really thought he beat Sonic. Eggy thinks he's won and Sonic can do nothing but wallow in despair at the lost of his friends and launch futile attacks with a new FF group. Eggman may have even thought that Sonic may die if left there. In short, Eggy thinks Sonic has no hope left; silly Eggman.:]

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You gotta throw curve balls or even non-sequiturs to keep things from becoming stale and predictable.


Really, in all honesty, if not for the internet, who really saw this coming, predictable? I mean for all of Sonic's career, games, comics, shows alike, Sonic has never had this level of difficulty in fighting Eggman, even Endgame wasn't this hopeless, and Eggman has never looked this close to victory before. This is far from stale.

Oh,and for the record, yes, Sega is demanding SegaSonic stuff be included since they own the ArchieSonic universe. If Sega wanted to, they could pull this universe out of Archie's hand and put it into DC's or Marvel's and Archie couldn't do nothing about it. (Well, I'm sure Archie has a contract with Sega that Sega would have to go through, but still.) As a matter of fact Julie-Su, Enerjak, Tommy, etc., while created by Archie creatives, is owned by Sega and can do with them as they please. Finally, why do you think Sonic's, Tails', and Knuckles' eyes are green, blue, and violet, respectively, Eggman is in his SA look, Espy, Vec, and Charms are in Heroes attire, and even Shadow, Rouge, and Black Doom are in the comics? Because Sega demands it.

 
(@chaorcute)
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I'm staying away from this topic until I get this issue.
(Curse you spoilers)

Hopefully, I'm getting it today from my closeset comic store. Depending on if they stocked up on new merchandise yet. Expect my opinons shortly. :D

 
(@byakko-no-sonikku)
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That just might be a good idea, Chao. ^^

Although I agree that the canonical Sega characters are owned by Sega (and, perhaps, arguably, those original FFs that made cameo appearances in Sonic Spinball), I highly doubt Archie's original characters are.

EDIT: Nevermind. Just found the copyright notice on the very bottom of the last page of #175. :nn;

(Ian Potto posts here? Huh, I didn't know that...)

 
(@ian-potto_1722585839)
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They are. By being introduced to the license, they become part of the SONIC brand.

 
(@lalalei2001)
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This sounds like a very good issue! Can't wait to read it!

See, I got spoiled on part of the issue by accident and decided to spoil myself on the rest too. 😛

 
(@lonewolf23)
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Finally got the issue, and I love it! Dr Robotnik's earning top Villain Cred with this one!

As for why Eggman let Sonic go at the end, I think I've got it figured out...

...It's more fun for him that way.

He WANTS Sonic to come after him. He WANTS Sonic to think he has a chance of victory.

Because what Robotnik wants, ultimatly, is the CHALLENGE.

 
(@lalalei2001)
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From the prviews, though, it looks like the whole captured-characters thing only lasts for 176-177. :(

 
(@hypershadow77)
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Honestly, I believe Eggy let Sonic go because he really thought he beat Sonic. Eggy thinks he's won and Sonic can do nothing but wallow in despair at the lost of his friends and launch futile attacks with a new FF group. Eggman may have even thought that Sonic may die if left there. In short, Eggy thinks Sonic has no hope left; silly Eggman.


i disagree. Robotnik won. he made that very clear, it was a complete and total victory. physically and psychologically, that's what i love about the character he did one of those "oh i could kill you. but i'd rather see you broken." so no, sonic did not win in this issue, and it remains to be seen if he will win. from my point of view it could go either way.

 
(@brian07)
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still waiting 2 get mine. :crazy :fist :razz :cuckoo

 
(@lseth)
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A "majority" of Sonic fans wanted to see a darker Sonic game. A "majority" wanted to see a Sonic title with weapons. The result: Shadow the Hedgehog.

The majority of Sonic the Hedgehog fans (heck, all video game players) want a good camera. The majority of Sonic the Hedgehog fans want well-designed levels. The majority of Sonic the Hedgehog fans want good controls. The result? Not Shadow the Hedgehog!

Okay, okay, I actually liked that game, but the point still remains that the major complaints had absolutely nothing to do with it being darker or the existence of weapons; the problem with the weapons was HOW the weapons were pulled off in the game (for examlpe, no lock-on system), not their existence. So I don't see what your point here is.

 
(@alex-warlorn)
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I enjoyed Shadow the Hedgehog. I enjoyed the rail gun from the Bigfoot mecha in particular.

All things aside, we ARE supposed to be talking about an issue of Sonic The Hedgehog comic.

"Long live the Eggman Empire!"

In celebration, let's give every living thing on Mobius a nice silver plating!

 
(@toby-barrett)
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Alex, we've already been through why Eggman won't be roboticizing anyone in the topic about roboticization. -_-

 
(@erinaceus)
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Oh,and for the record, yes, Sega is demanding SegaSonic stuff be included since they own the ArchieSonic universe. If Sega wanted to, they could pull this universe out of Archie's hand and put it into DC's or Marvel's and Archie couldn't do nothing about it. (Well, I'm sure Archie has a contract with Sega that Sega would have to go through, but still.) As a matter of fact Julie-Su, Enerjak, Tommy, etc., while created by Archie creatives, is owned by Sega and can do with them as they please. Finally, why do you think Sonic's, Tails', and Knuckles' eyes are green, blue, and violet, respectively, Eggman is in his SA look, Espy, Vec, and Charms are in Heroes attire, and even Shadow, Rouge, and Black Doom are in the comics? Because Sega demands it.

Yes...they could give it to Marvel or DC...and the new comic would probably get the ax after a dozen or so issues. As I've said before, Archie is probably the only comic book company that would take something like Sonic seriously enough to keep it going for 175+ issues. That's where Sega owes them and should allow Archie to take at least a few liberties with the liscense.

But to say that the majority wanted Shadow or anything else is something I would challenge. The people who wanted that were just the people who made enough noise and who - ultimately - someone felt like listening to anyway.

That's why I put majority in quotation marks. When you can't actually measure it in numbers, majority becomes a relative term. Other sites and sources claimed the "majority" of fans wanted a Sonic with guns, just like the claim that the "majority" supports Ian. It was a better analogy than Bush and politics anyway...

I certainly hope I haven't come across as deaf to complaints. As I have stressed in the past, I want critiques. I want feedback, good or bad. I've gotten some good stuff here and on my own forum, but I'm always looking for more.

Well...if there are any substantive complaints I have regarding 175...why does Sonic remain so positive and optimistic at the end of the issue...when he should be at least a little emotionally defeated after getting his butt handed to him by Eggman? I mean, in the beginning, Sonic feels that they finally seem to be gaining the upper hand, and then Eggman comes by and wipes the floor with him and Knothole only minutes afterwards. Such a 180 of events would take a toll on anyone, I'd like to think. I know Sonic's gotta put on a tough facade in front of Tails...but still...deep down that beating had to have made at least a dent in his ego.

And I'd also like to know why only the core Sega cast survived the onslaught (though through spoilers I know Nicole survived as well). Such a move isn't going to help that perceived Sega/Sonic bias. Maybe more survived (now could be a good time to bring back Geoffrey and Hershey, whom I've sorely missed for nearly forty issues). Feel free to tell us what those newlyweds have been up to lately.

 
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i disagree. Robotnik won. he made that very clear, it was a complete and total victory. physically and psychologically, that's what i love about the character he did one of those "oh i could kill you. but i'd rather see you broken." so no, sonic did not win in this issue, and it remains to be seen if he will win. from my point of view it could go either way.


What? I'm not saying Sonic did win. I made it clear that Robotnik thinks he has won, and that he wants to keep Sonic alive so he can, as I said, "wallow in despair." I was saying that Eggy thought he left Sonic broken and hopeless, but in reality, he just left him broken as it's clear that Sonic is still hopeful at the end by saying, "We don't want to be late for the party." I was calling Eggman silly because he should have known after fighting Sonic for so long that Sonic never gives up no matter how bleak it may look. As far as winning, it's his book; even if it's a bittersweet Pyrrhic victory, you know he's going to win eventually.

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As for why Eggman let Sonic go at the end, I think I've got it figured out...

...It's more fun for him that way.

He WANTS Sonic to come after him. He WANTS Sonic to think he has a chance of victory.

Because what Robotnik wants, ultimatly, is the CHALLENGE.


Hmmm, that's also a good point; after all that's why RoboRobotnik came to Mobius Prime in the first place because he missed the challenge of fighting his Sonic. I'm sure he doesn't want to go Zone hoping again to find another Sonic to fight so let this one continue to provide entertainment; besides, we know Sonic enjoys a good challenge as well.

 
(@charlesrocketboy)
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Alex, we've already been through why Eggman won't be roboticizing anyone


But it'd be damn cool if he forced everyone in his territory to paint themselves silver. That'd be awesome.

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Yes...they could give it to Marvel or DC...and the new comic would probably get the ax after a dozen or so issues.


They could also give it to Dark Horse, who've been handling licensed properties for decades and gotten long runs out of Aliens & Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Or IDW, currently doing well with Transformers, CSI and Angel. Or Devil's Due, who got their big success from GI Joe and still do a lot of licensed properties. Or Image, if one of the studios there wanted to do Sonic.

Marvel, DC and Archie aren't the only players in the world of licensed comics.

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That's where Sega owes them and should allow Archie to take at least a few liberties with the liscense.


Sega does give them a few liberties, such as having a continuity totally different to the game one. They're still not going to be totally hands-off.

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And I'd also like to know why only the core Sega cast survived the onslaught


Sonic, Tails and Knuckles presumably survived because they're the main cast, the big guns, the ones the fans like to see in action. Amy, I dunno. Ian's been showing her as trying to be a Freedom Fighter in training, maybe he's throwing her in at the deep end to see what happens.

 
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But it'd be damn cool if he forced everyone in his territory to paint themselves silver. That'd be awesome.


Or he could wrap them up in tin foil! That'd be pretty sweet too! =o

 
(@darkest-light)
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o.O Hey you guys forget. Sonic wasn't caught and captured because Eggman still has that "Without witnesses, victory loses its luster." motif. Remember, he did it to Knuckles in the Chaotix special. and he's FINALLY doing it to Sonic here.

And yes I know it wasn't the "same" Robotnik/Eggman but yeah blah blah. I sincerely think that Eggman WANTS Sonic to find any and everyone else that he can, so he can DECISIVELY put them all under, saving Sonic for last-so he can truly rule the planet.

Still waiting for Super SOnic to come through and pwn that robot. Knux can prolly beat the robot though. Tails may just tell it a riddle 9_9...

 
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I just got my issue today! WOO!

I'd just like to throw something out there... is anyone else a little worried about Rotor and Bunnie? I mean, not only were they vaporized like everyone else, but it seems that Rotor may be seriously injured and that Bunnie's robot arm was destroyed.

Anyone else think that?

 
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Well, Bunnie's arm can be repaired,or replaced, as it's a machine, but,though I didn't notice Rotor being hurt, he would be someone to worry about.

 
(@ian-potto_1722585839)
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I closed off my "Ask Ian" thread here because I didn't want to take over this board. That'd be greedy. So I'm going to try to back out after this post.

That's where Sega owes them and should allow Archie to take at least a few liberties with the liscense.

Sega gives us tremendous liberal use of their property. SegaSonic and ArchieSonic are as different as day and night. No, that analogy doesn't go far enough - as different as day and oatmeal. They pretty much let us do our thing with a few set ground rules. You can't ask for anything better.

...why does Sonic remain so positive and optimistic at the end of the

Because that's not who he is. Throughout the duel itself, you can see him breaking down. No witty retorts, the "How's this for limit?!" loss of control, the tear of shame as Eggman throws him to the ground at the very end - we see him crushed in spirit as well as in body.

But then he rebounds. Why? Because he's Sonic the freakin' Hedgehog. You know it, we know, and most importnatly, he knows it. He may have the occasional lapse in faith (and rightfully so this time), but he won't stay down. He can't, it's not his nature. Call it egotism, or foolish bravado, but he will never admit defeat. If he can't think of a way to turn things around this very second, he knows he can do it later. Victory, for his general ideals or for himself personally, is an inevitability in his mind.

Every challenge to him is an opportunity to live his life to the fullest. If the potential outcome wasn't so dire, he might admit to liking the stakes being so high.

And I'd also like to know why only the core Sega cast survived the onslaught

I can't really get into details on that yet since it'd spoil the story arc.

 
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I made it clear that Robotnik thinks he has won


and the point i'm getting at is that robotnik didn't "think he won" he actually did.

also, good points ian. and i loved how sonic lost. yes i do want him to win but if it comes at the price of something like spiderman's gwen stacy deal, then i'd be ok with it.

 
(@alex-warlorn)
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" Alex, we've already been through why Eggman won't be roboticizing anyone in the topic about roboticization. -_- "

Who cares?! It would be cool!

 
(@gamer-x)
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We've seen the roboticization for 14 years now. The egg grapes are fresh and actually darker. With roboticuzation, you just became a (reversible) robot zombie. It was threat, (espically when Eggman could just touch to cause the process) but now it's old.

Back to the topic, reading that review made me want to get the comic again. I stopped after 158# because the series was just getting overly complicated and mediocrely written for the longest time, I just gave up on it. It was like after the awesome "Return to Angel Island" arc, the writers just quit. But from what I read here, I quit when series was about to pick itself up. Now all I have to do find a comic book store around where I live.

 
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This is slightly off-topic, but I think it's amazing that they've kept the original Robotnik dead for 125 issues now. But his replacement from the alternate zone actually beat the Freedom Fighters and killed his version of Sonic...if they decide to end the comic, maybe they'd do that here too? It worked with the old-school Doom Patrol, where in the last issue they killed all the characters 😛

Just kidding. I mean, I don't want that to happen :)

 
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Whoa Ian Potto and Tracy Yardley you really have surprised me with Issue 175, really great job. the emotions and action during Robotniks attack were really well done. my favorite parts were the way Tails was in tears and shocked after seing Snively vaporize his friends (the part where he is saying, Rotor! and Sally! he blasted..!), Mighty going insane with anger and emotional pain after seeing his best friend Ray being Vaporized by Snively (the part where he fights Snively and say, How could you do that to Ray? He could never hurt you! I told him Id keep him safe! and you go and vaporize him!), Sonic getting desperate (the parts with him sayin, Limit? LIMIT?, and then, Limit? Ive got your "limit" right here!), the rest of the Issue is cool and Tracys art style is something great to see. If your reading this Ian I want to tell you have returned me the great feeling of reading a cool story with great art like the older Issues like the start of the Endgame saga, the time when Sonic and Tails went to a adventure to defeat Naugus and meet Nate Morgan, and that time when Sonic and the Freedom Fighters went to space to face their new enemy Robo Robotnik. Also the way your including Sega stuff in the comic is well done, for example the robots based on Sonic Heroes. while they may look funny you showed us how destructive and dangerous they really are (my favorite Eggman robot is the huge one that wields a big hammer). and lastly I liked the design of Robotniks armour suit. I can expect that next Issue will be as cool as this one =)

 
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Who cares?! It would be cool!


I care, and I also have to disagree. It wouldn't be cool.

First of all, it has been said several times by Eggman himself that he can no longer roboticize. To me, that should end the discussion right there. Ian isn't going to retcon that. Roboticization is history.

Secondly, even if he was to roboticize the mobians, they still have the sword of acorns in possession. So then we'd have a million robot animals walking around where ever the heck Sonic and everyone else is going to live now.

 
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But the Source Of All was destroyed in The Darkest Storm. So even if the Sword was still around it'd be just a piece of sharp metal.

 
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Sharp metal can still, like, hurt.

 
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I can't really get into details on that yet since it'd spoil the story arc.

I know...I kind of used the question as a way to sneak-tip in the suggestion of bringing back Geoff and Hersh.

 
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Well, Bunnie's arm can be repaired,or replaced, as it's a machine, but,though I didn't notice Rotor being hurt, he would be someone to worry about.


If I remember correctly, he was hit in the back by a large piece of flying rock just before he was zapped. Spinal injuries, anyone?

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Sharp metal can still, like, hurt.


Yes, but the best that it can do with a bunch of Roboticized Mobians is a Robian Shish-kebab.

Ah, well. I've pretty much given up on seeing roboticization once more. I mean, unless Robotnik finds some creative way to get around the immunization, I highly doubt it'll come back.

That brings up a question, however. What happened to all of those Robians that were sucked into the Zone of Silence/Void (like the original Freedom Fighters)?

 
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But the Source Of All was destroyed in The Darkest Storm. So even if the Sword was still around it'd be just a piece of sharp metal.


Actually, IIRC, the Sword is still the Source of All and still has power from it, but I thought the Sword was destroyed along with the crown and pool.

 
(@gamer-x)
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What was the Source of All anyway? I know it's the power behind the sword and the rings, but is it entity or just an energy what is it?

 
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If I'm remembering right, it was that gold stuff that the Acorn line used to make decisions. I think it's the same thing that told Max to wed Sally and Antoine.

You gotta wonder about a monarchy that relies on a pool for guidance.

 
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Quick and I do mean quick question/observance here.

I remember now-since I bought 175 an thoroughly wept in public after reading it-that Eggman stated something that made me think two things.

That 1) He CAN'T beat Sonic 1 on 1 and
2) No matter what he does, he won't be able to beat Sonic.

Now-this source of rationale doesn't stem from Sega flagship, or true faith in my blue blur or anything like that. But let's make a point here.

Sonic loses a bit of control and uses an uncontrolled-yet hyper effective mode of speed that BOTH Snively and Robotnik didn't think he was capable of. Sure, Sonic used it out of Rage- but I've noticed ever since Issue 47 {and probably earlier} than when this hedgehog breaks a new record, THAT becomes his standard. His speed ALWAYS seems to multiply. M,y point being.Robotnik actually saweated when he saw the hedgehog coming at him like that. That speed breach was probably the limit to which he built his armor, and as such, he probably barely survived it, due to that Captain American-type shield. I don't think for a second tat Robotnik ever calculated Sonics true speed, and that still worries him, no matter how much he may think he has owned the world as of now.

I honestly think that while Robotnik still have the 99.9% upper hand, that 1% that makes Sonic and present Co-pisses him off to the point where he can't do ANYTHING ELSE without them bypassing him.

With point one out the way, this brings me to point two, which I have several arguments for. The Egg Grapes are where I'll start. They drain the life force of a particular being encapsulated in them; correct?

They drained Mogul and co, and for the moment, we can say they drained the Brotherhood.

Why do I have the sneaking suspcision that the Egg grapes cannot drain Tails, Knuckles, Amy and Sonic. The only real connection these four really have is that they aren't just the special kids on the block.

Tails is the Chosen one and has some sort of ambience about him that helps.

Knuckles is still a living Chaos Emerald. I do not think the Egg grapes can successfully drain Knuckles of his power without ACTING LIKE a Chaos Syphon...and we ALL know how that worked out for us.

It cant compete with AMY because of her unnatural body chemistry and the magic that has endowed her with hyper accelerated growth and strength.

And-as Robotnik said-Sonic's true resistance to damage is due to all his power rings he's collected over the ages, reaching a total of OVER 1 billion+ plus all the Chaos emeralds he's handled, plus the Power Gems assimilated in is atomic structure by Nate-plus all THOSE Power rings in THAT fight against Naugus...I mean, Sonic has the potential to be cosmically strong, and I think Eggman hinted at that in 175 in saying that Sonic was not smart enough to beat him...

Maybe if Sonic thinks about it, he may be able to actually go Super-WITHOUT a catalyst now. I don't see why not. Though that would be a bit DBZ-ish...and so could Knux and Tails.

Amy can just swing her hammer, that's all kthxbye.

{Though the lake of rings is gone....I'm confused as to a]-where the Chao went too, and b] what's his backup backup-but I've stated this before.)

 
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Sega has made it implicitly clear that no major character or game elements may be used in Sonic X

Which is fine by me. That means no dueling violins, which is a sub-game of "Sonic and the Secret Rings" for the Wii. You use the controller as a bow and keep to the music.

Then again, I could hear Charlie Daniels doing "The Devil Went Down To Knothole." :evil

 
(@dandrazen)
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I'm still annoyed that Eggman just lets Sonic go at the end with no real explanation. Come on, give us SOMETHING, or else we're stuck with "Eggman let Sonic go for plot reasons" which isn't very good. I didn't like it when Eggman did it at the end of Darkest Storm, and I didn't like it when he did it here. I seem to be one of the few that cares about that, but I always get annoyed when the bad guy lets the good guy live for no reason.


Agreed. That's what made this story like the two-part Sonic Riders adaptation. I was expecting Eggman to deliver a coup de grace and it never happened. It would've been way more evil to bring Sonic along and have him watch his friends getting ... graped to death.

 
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Which is fine by me. That means no dueling violins


I'm upset now. Sonic duelling against an enemy with violins would be awesome. :thumbsup

 
(@toby-barrett)
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Dan, are you sure you did'nt misread Sonic X as just Sonic? The normal Sonic book still gets the new game characters. =p

C'mon now, a violen duel would have the perfect tone for the Sonic X book! XD

 
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This is slightly off-topic, but I think it's amazing that they've kept the original Robotnik dead for 125 issues now. But his replacement from the alternate zone actually beat the Freedom Fighters and killed his version of Sonic...if they decide to end the comic, maybe they'd do that here too? It worked with the old-school Doom Patrol, where in the last issue they killed all the characters 😛


Actually, they DID resurrect him in 108, and it was the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

 
(@gamer-x)
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The issue was cheesy funny but it could of been way better. You could of had an intricate plan of the first Robotnik trying to overthrow the new one. But noooooo, we had to have corny montages of Eggman in Knothole.

 
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Old Robotnik is dead and gone. It's hard to come up with a plan to overthrow someone when you're pushing up daisies.

Not to mention that he'd fail miserably anyway, as Eggman just showed us that he's capable of doing what the old robotnik never was.

 
(@mobius)
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Good Issue I couldn't seem to get it at a store
today which sucks because I can't wait for it I'm getting 2 copies actually, hmmm I wonder if it has something to do with my living in Canada because according to this forum the Isssue should have came out by now.

 
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