yes i agree. it would have to be some plot by fini that tricks/traps knux into being enerjak... IF that's how it turns out
Definitely, Finitevus should force Knuckles into the Enerjak role and it should warp Rad Red's mind. Knuckles has already made a devil's deal for "the greater good" and that didn't work out too well. Besides, I think I said in one forum that I think Finitevus may have hypnotic abilities, and that he may have placed a post-hypnotic suggestion in Knuckles' mind when Knux came into Lien-Da's throne room and was alone with the two of them. With that in mind, Finitevus could use it to render Knux helpless and use the Master Emerald to transform him.
Haven't we already had the whole Knuckles is evil and can be as poweful as Enerjak thing at some other point in this Sonic series? However, the fact that Knuckles COULD be Enerjak is a new one, and that is why I can't wait to get this one!
The only "Knuckles is evil" deal I remember is from the original Lara-Su's timeline. As for being as powerful as Enerjak, at one point he was vastly more powerful, but he lost the powers during his little brush with death. Still, I do like the idea of him being Enerjak, although it would mean that they can't have an epic rematch.
Knux: *Makes a Chaos Clone of his present form, then grabs its hands and makes it punch itself.* Why you hitting yourself!! Why you hitting yourself!!
There's yer rematch XD
I sincerely hope that you were joking about that; a rematch between Knuckles and Enerjak would be much more epic than that.
Sorry, fan boy moment. I guess I'm just somewhat annoyed that it's not going to be a titanic clash between a more powerful than ever Enerjak and Chaos Knuckles. Let me tell you, I'm not the only fan who's wanted to see that: for once, a battle where the hero doesn't win by simply outsmarting his opponent, or by overpowering them with a last second power boost, or due to the interference of an ally who intervenes wiht some mystical object or device.
No, DarkestLight was very, very serious in that post, and I second what he said.
it is true the second i heard Enerjak was returning I began picturing the showdown between him and Knuckles cuz Knuckles wasn't nearly as powerful now as he was then. That's my ideal situation, but i'll be able to deal with a "knux being forced into it" situation too
If all you're after is some huge powerful showdown between Enerjak and a Chaos-fuelled Knuckles, you are really reading the wrong comic - go watch an episode of Dragonball or something. I honestly can't think of anything more cliched or boring.
Spectre...
Ok, Remember this one fact every single time you see me post until Enerjak is revealed..(and possibly after..I'll get you the memo).. All my posts are going to have ridiculously blatant jokes in them :O.
Back to my regular pod-cast. Thank you Toby. See, we all want a Chaos Knuckles sissy fight! It'll be great. It warms the hearts of all.
However. What if the new Energak was one of the Brotherhood. I don't think we touched on this yet. What if Fini found the Brotherhood, captured one, let the others go and threw them somewhere, and MADE that one Enerjak? Then Dimitri found out-sdaw that one of his grand cousins were being turned into this being, and left, freaked out because of it.
I mean, its the same as the Knux scenario, but this one holds a tad more ground with me, cause I'm not down if Knux is E-...*snicker This is a G forum I better not make that joke. I mean, Fini;'s been at this for a while! So it might just be a captured Brotherhood member.
And who better than our main pimp Spectre 
*snicker* :O.
Spectre isn't a pimp; he's too cool to be a pimp. And I accept that you will make jokes, Darkest Light; sorry if I acted too serioues.
I know that big Super on Super fights aren't so much Archie's style-I mean, sure they've had a few instances of it, but not as many as Dragonball Z is prone too (although a little more Dragonball style action might help spice up the combat every now and again)-but they usually will do something like that in the face of a major threat, and what more major threat than Enerjak? True, he's not as tough as Master Mogul or Super Ixis Naugus were, but if the guy's bad enough that Sonic is willing to join forces with Dr. Robotnik for the umpteenth time to stop him, you know the guy will only go down if he's overpowered or outsmarted. Chaos Knuckles, Ultra Sonic, and Hyper or Titan Tails are the only guys I think could take on Enerjak, and as Enerjak is Knuckles' nemesis it should herald Chaos Knuckles' return!
Now, I know that this isn't going to happen. Chaos Knuckles and the rest of those ultimate incarnations appear to have been one time deals, unlikely to show up again until the series finale and the big final clash with Dr. Robotnik or whatever villain is going to be top dog if at all. But I am a fan of both Chaos Knuckles and Enerjak, and I would like to see them get into a fight that wasn't just made by a fan author or artist (no offense, my fan brethren).
The possiblity that the new Enerjak is one of the Brotherhood has been discussed, mainly in the issue #181 topic since that was the first preview where we saw the new Enerjak appear. While it is possible, it's no more likely than any other candidate who has been suggested, though the evidence does point strongly towards Knuckles. Sorry to rain on your parade, DL, but those are the facts.
Besides, no offense to Spectre or any of the other Brotherhood members, but who wants to capture one of them when you can catch Rad Red himself?
I'd laugh if it turned out to be a completely new character.
NO!!! I KEEP HOPE ALIVE! ::Waves a flag that says- "No more using main chars as main enemies!"::
While the possibility exists that it could be a new character, the chances are slim to none. I mean, when was the last time that Archie really released a brand new, out-of-nowhere, non-Sega character? If it were a new character, then they'd have introduced him solely for the purpose of bringing Enerjak back into the story and it would be pointless. Enerjak doesn't sound like he's going to be around long, sad as I am to say it; the seemingly omnipotent guys have to be de-powered or taken out because you can't keep someone that tough around all the time.
O.o They kept Robotnik around for that long, and shoot, he's never really lost his edge :O. What, Sonic's beaten him hundreds of times. He'd died, and the eviler version took over to pwn this Sonic. THAT Robotnik's been pwned just as many times, and he STILL kicks.
He's just been sitting on his omnipotence, and rocked them what..finally uhh 175-50=125 Issues later :O? Sure he may be the main villian, but still-that kind of survivability...you may as well call it omnipotence.
o.O O crap I made a serious post 😮 QUICK GIMME A JOKE!
True but Robotnik can't bend the laws of physics and perform god like acts. (U.A. aside)
If they do keep him alive, I'd prefer when/if they defeat Enerjak, that he gets banished somewhere so there's always that threat of him coming back. I need my Enerjak fix...
I agree completely, tornadot: better an Enerjak who's temporarily removed from the series than one gone forever. Of course, there is the trouble of that being a repeat of the whole Ixis Naugus fiasco. I'd prefer to see Enerjak become a figure who, while still on Mobius Prime and prominent, doesn't see much action because he's got other problems to worry about-like the whole mess on Angel Island, for example. Whoever the new Enerjak is, Finitevus would have wanted some guy to help clean up the situation left by Robotnik, the Dingoes, and the warring Dark Legions.
Of course, Enerjak is just too powerful and ambitious to be kept out of the loop like that. Robotnik may occasionally come up with something that overwhelms Sonic and the gang, but overwhelming his enemies is what Enerjak's all about. He couldn't sit quietly on the sidelines while there was a world to conquere, and the Freedom Fighters and Chaotix don't have the resources to wage a two-front war.
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you are really reading the wrong comic - go watch an episode of Dragonball or something. I honestly can't think of anything more cliched or boring.
i think that if there WASN'T an awesome rematch in some form or another, and something happens that by all means SHOULD change the status quo happens then basically unhappens by the end of the issue happens, then it would be boring.
so say knux is enerjak, (which is looking incredibly likely) then he kicks the crap out of everybody, somehow gets stopped, then finitevus somehow becomes another enerjak or chaos powered then dukes it out with knuckles. that is something i'd love to read regardless of what some people think should happen.
so no, i don't think i'm reading the wrong comic personally. i'm betting it's gonna happen.
hmm, it could be almost interesting if knux IS enerjak and then finitevus seizes some of the power to be chaos-powered himself and then knux as enerjak battles him (knux somewhat regaining some common sense) i might find some entertainment out of enerjak being put to semi-good use, not to say i want him made into a good guy. just for a good fight with a souped up finitevus
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i think that if there WASN'T an awesome rematch in some form or another, and something happens that by all means SHOULD change the status quo happens then basically unhappens by the end of the issue happens, then it would be boring.
so say knux is enerjak, (which is looking incredibly likely) then he kicks the crap out of everybody, somehow gets stopped, then finitevus somehow becomes another enerjak or chaos powered then dukes it out with knuckles. that is something i'd love to read regardless of what some people think should happen.
so no, i don't think i'm reading the wrong comic personally. i'm betting it's gonna happen.
You're misinterpreting what I said. Status quo change is a good, absolutely, but the last thing I want to see is Super Sonic, or Green Knuckles circa 2000, taking on Enerjak. I want the comic to be about the characters, not some cliched ultimate battle between overpowered versions of them where they shoot beams of pure energy at each other, and use their powers to reform the world around each other to try and get the upper hand. Obviously Enerjak's gonna get taken down in one way or another, but we've seen the ULTIMATE POWERZ!!!!11 sorta fight too many times, in Sonic and elsewhere.
You've got a point, MattManic. I suppose that if Knuckles is Enerjak, the possibility of him somehow regaining control of himself-likely with help from the Chaotix and Freedom Fighters-is possible, though it could just as easily be a repeat of Enerjak's last defeat; you know, the one where Enerjak was caught off guard and wound up drained of his powers?
Still, I won't deny that Chaos Knuckles or Super Finitevus or Ultra Sonic or something would be an interesting matchup. It's not likely to happen, unless some development comes up that we haven't foreseen, but I still would like to see it. Particularly, I'd like to see someone fighting Finitevus; if he's not going to survive the Enerjak crisis, then I at least want to see him in one decent battle. Just to make sure nobody rags on me, I'm not saying that I've heard or believe that Finitevus is going to die in the Enerjak arc, but it's a possibility.
Notice Shadow sharing a pile with Eggman? Makes you wonder if blood is thicker than water after all between those two.
As has been said repeatedly, comic cover art has been misleading before. I doubt that Shadow being shown in a pile with Robotnik has anything to do with them becoming allies-aside from the obvious desperate alliances required by Enerjak's return, that is. My opinion is that the artists is just intending to show that both Shadow and Robotnik, two of the most powerful beings on Mobius (one in resources and the other physically; if it were both physical, Robotnik wouldn't be there) have been defeated by the evil that is the reborn Enerjak. It's a big suspense deal: hero appears to be alone against seemingly omnipotent enemy while his strongest allies are down for the count.
o.O Strongest ally isn't down, cause-if all yer theories hold true-Knux is right there holding Sonic up!!
AHHAHAHAHA
Ok that wasn't funny. u_u..
I can't believe how stupid I am! I forgot that Knuckles is Sonic's strongest ally! If he turns out to be Enerjak, then it could end up as one of those situations where the hero is possessed by a villain and resists from the inside; if he's not Enerjak, then there's no way he's not going to be involved in the big final fight against him!
And seriously, what you said wasn't funny; I'm not even entirely sure I understand it all. Knuckles slipped my mind because he's still apparently missing, so Robotnik and Shadow are Sonic's strongest present "allies".
Spectre, I really think DL was just making a silly joke and not trying to nitpick. You're smart and passionate, you just need to learn not to be so quick to defend. 99% of all posts here are in good fun so no need to worry. ^__^
I think you made some interesting points and I'm eager to see how Knux factors into this storyline. I think this Enerjak arc will be a strong finish to a great year of StH! *pumps fist in excitment*
I know, Miss Puar; I just find it fun to overreact sometimes. I do enjoy posting here, and I could stand to loosen up. Amen to finishing up a good year! (though I hope that Enerjak somehow lasts beyond the end of 2007; if not, I doubt we'll ever see him again).
By the way, has anyone else wondered what might happen if the new Enerjak has the original Enerjak's memories and he runs into Mammoth Mogul while he's attacking New Mobotropolis? I must say, the thought of the now all but powerless Mogul being confronted with the force of evil whose powers he dared to usurp does appeal to my love of cruel-and yet just-irony.
..Spectre..
::Gives him a hug:: That was so CYUUTE! You got the joke and STILL turned it relevant! You deserve a gold star !
Thanks DL! But seriously, what does everyone think of the Enerjak meets Mogul idea? I can already picture the look on Mogul's face, and it is priceless!
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Thank you. -_-;;
Come on, anyone? Knuckles has more reason to hate Mogul than anyone-the guy did kill him, after all-and now he's become seemingly all powerful while Mogul is a shadow of his former self. Doesn't the potential hilarity of the situation just make you want to laugh maniacally?
And it would show how a great a step BACKWARDS Knuckles had taken with his newfound power.
No. Not necessarily.
He could end Mogul partially out of spite, but also partially to rid the world of a great evil that could potentially harm his way of life. In his eyes, its not backwards, but hella forward :O.
Wow Darkest Light, I'm glad somebody actually thinks I've got a pretty decent idea going. Sure, I'll admit that maybe wiping out Mogul would make Knux/Enerjak seem much less of the benevolent being he acts like, but then so did crushing NICOLE's probe with no real provocation. Unless he was unaware of whose probe it was, he knew that it was his friends checking up on what he was doing, and he smashed it just because he didn't like them "spying" on him.
Beings who appear omnipotent and think themselves so get aggressive, and for all their high-and-mighty talk they have just as many vendettas as anyone. Knuckles hasn't really had a chance to confront Mogul one-on-one since coming back from the dead, but I imagine that it wouldn't be a happy reunion. He probably would get rid of Mogul and justify it as wiping out a major threat. In a way, he's got a point; Mogul is one of the only beings with knowledge that could be used to bring down Enerjak, though unlike the Freedom Fighters and their allies he'd be trying to boost his own levels of power. Enerjak would be doing Mobius-and Mogul, who really isn't impressive anymore-a favor by getting rid of him, but deep down he probably would do it out of revenge.
Anyone think that Mogul's going to get loose no matter whether or not he runs into Enerjak? I know he's only been in New Mobotropolis a few issues, but since Enerjak's going to be tearing through there it would make sense for the prison to go down. Personally, I hope it doesn't; Mogul and the gang no longer qualify so much as villains as comedy relief. Sure, they could be a pretty mean force, but against the likes of the Freedom Fighters, the Chaotix, or even the Destructix they're nothing unless they get some more members-like the Babylon Rogues or someone, I don't know.
You know, I've been reading through my copies of the Archie comics, and I've noticed one thing that was never really explained: the whole "next evolution" deal that happens when one of the Brotherhood has died in the past. You know, where Steppenwolf pulled Hawking out of his body and Hawking pulled Tobor out of his? I wonder if that's going to be one of the secrets that we'll find out about!
I'm pretty sure that wasn't so much 'ripping soul out of body' so much as 'calling' it out, or encouraging it out... if that makes any difference.
I'd much rather see Eggman pull an egg out from behind Sonics' ear, and lets him keep it.
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3-page preview for #183.
Sonic clearly has some sort of plan he's not letting Julie-Su in on. I'm looking forward to seeing how he reacts to Fiona again, too.
I love Fiona's pose in the mentioned preview.
Three on Eight is hardly fair odds...but when has that stopped this blue hog? I look forward to how this fight will play out...friday can't come soon enough sadly.
>> I smell a Locke against the whole of the Destructix-and then the Brotherhood coming out and laying the smack down (Theres 4 of them, (T, Spec, Sab, Soj) so it'll be a fair fight again)-Scourge and Fiona chasing down Sonic and Julie- they get weapon, Enerjak pops up, weapon is used, Chaos power amplifies it,and we end with Super Sonic standing tall ready to rock.
That's just me.
It would be cool to see the Brotherhood come back this issue-though I'd much prefer it weren't to face scum like the Destructix. Sure, Scourge and Fiona are cool, but the other guys have only seldom been more than two-bit thugs. Sonic and Julie-Su can probably handle them; after all, Locke only picked them to help fight. As for Sonic's "cooperation", I'm betting he just wants to get close enough to the Brotherhood's weapon to smash it.
Enerjak's reappearance will certainly be interesting; I'm curious as to how he'll reappear after being captured last issue. I have my theories, as I stated in the #182 Review thread, but I'm definitely eager to see how it all plays out.
Sonic can barely handle Scourge by himself. No way he can handle an additional seven enemies, even with Julie and Locke at his side.
No. See this is my thing. Scourge isint equivalent to Shadow. Sonic CAN beat Shadow, even though they always give Shadow the upper hand with all his Chaos powers. Its all known that Sonic can do everything Shadow can, Sonic just DOSENT because he dosen't ever THINK about it.
Now. Sonic hasn't had enough tussles with Scourge to really get a feel for his newer fighting skills set. I'm sure Sonic can dominate Scourge and still rumble with Predator Hawk and Lightning Lynx at the same time with some SUPER PEEL OUT SICKNESS !
Yeah, he better smash it :O.
If the Brotherhood dies as aresult of this...I will go postal on somebody...
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No. See this is my thing. Scourge isint equivalent to Shadow. Sonic CAN beat Shadow, even though they always give Shadow the upper hand with all his Chaos powers. Its all known that Sonic can do everything Shadow can, Sonic just DOSENT because he dosen't ever THINK about it.
I was talking about the fact Sonic won't always beat Scourge because they're even matched. They're essentially the same person. Neither has the advantage. Shadow has nothing to do with it.
Also, Sonic can't do whatever Shadow can. Chaos Control, maybe. But we've seen Shadow do things in the comic (Chaos Blast, teleport, etc.) which we know Sonic can't do.
"Republican National
Convention, calling himself a "living god" and promising a
"better tomorrow ... free of pain and suffering ... free of
technology ... built by my unmatched power!""
I don't get it. Or perhaps, it's for the best I don't get it.
*refrains from making a joke about Enerjak being a Republican*
