SONIC THE HEDGEHOG #193
"Otherside Part One": Good comes face-to-face with evil… and it's just like looking in a mirror as Sonic and the Freedom Fighters square off against their evil doppelgangers from another world! With King Scourge (the evil anti-Sonic from another dimension) and the Suppression Squad controlling Freedom HQ, Sonic and Amy are sent across time and space to Moebius… the Anti-Mobius, that is! They run into some familiar faces in this topsy-turvy world, but who is friend and who is foe? And back home, what sinister scheme is Miles hatching?
SCRIPT: Ian Flynn.
ART: Tracy Yardley! (pencils) and Jim Amash (inks).
Double-trouble cover by Tracy Yardley! & Jason Jensen.
Shipping Date: October 1st, 2008
On Sale at Comic Specialty Shops: October 8th, 2008
On Sale on Newsstands: October 21st, 2008
32-page, full color comic
$2.25 US.
SONIC X #38
"Big Trouble in Little Station Square, Part One": S.O.N.I.C.X. - the secret Sonic-hating organization - is at it again! They have a special serum that will turn Sonic into the monster they think he "really is." The problem now is: how do you catch the fastest thing alive?! It's a high-speed chase through the city with a special guest appearance by the Chaotix and an ending so big you won't believe it!
SCRIPT: Ian Flynn.
ART: Steven Butler (pencils) and Terry Austin (inks).
Monster mayhem cover by spooky Pat "Spaz" Spazinate!
Shipping Date: October 15th, 2008
On Sale at Comic Specialty Shops: October 22nd, 2008
On Sale on Newsstands: November 4th, 2008
32-page, full color comic
$2.25 US.
Fianally thank god, ive been waiting ages for these, 193 sounds interesting, as for familiar faces im guessing Kintobor (good robotnik) is one but can't think of any others, & Miles hatching a scheme, looks like someone is after scourges thrown. Man This issue will be awsome.
SonicX 38 looks pretty good too (I just noticed one of the lasers sez Nazo, hmm interesting archie very interesting.)
& thanks a million Toby for posting this.
sonic and amy in a story alone together? amazing, i figured she wasn't going to be given much character development but i guess not.
uh oh...Something I don't like about 193...BUT! it does sound interesting nevertheless.
C'MON OCTOBER!!!
Well, it looks like all those guys were right: it is Omega from Anti-Mobius. I'm happy to hear it, since that means the real Omega may show up on Mobius Prime, and it sounds like our old buddy Anti-Knuckles may be coming back-wonder what his name is now?
Anti Knux, aww man I forgot about him. Dang was he evil? I dun remember. Wonder if he got an Enerjak complex, that would be funny, lol.
Introducing Anti-Omega before Omega is strange, but intriguing (though who's to say Omega will show up in the next issues and we don't know it yet?). Perhaps something Anti-Omega says or does will force them to find the Omega from their world. Just mindless speculation on my part.
Aha, so Sonic does end up going to Moebius. Sweet as.
C'mon, Anti-Knux!
Anti Knux, aww man I forgot about him. Dang was he evil? I dun remember. Wonder if he got an Enerjak complex, that would be funny, lol.
Naw, Anti-Knux wasn't evil. He was the Guardian of the Sunken Island, there were seven emeralds keeping up the SI's containment field, the city of Atlantopolis (sp) was on the SI while Echidnapolis was still in the pocket dimension.
As far as how Anti-Knux was the opposite of Knux personality-wise, he was a pacifist (to the point were he didn't even want to fight for the SI until Knux had a tak with him) and coward, instead of being gunho and brave, and for some reason he talked with an Irish accent and wore an Irish kind of hat. However, he was just a guillable as our Knux, or at least he let himself be fooled as I think he may have sorta known that Scourge was using him, but don't hold me to that.
hmm...Forgot all about anti-Knux, If i Had to Guess id say he' probably in charge of his worlds freedom fighters, since its obvious scourge is in Complete control of his Zone now, but Besides Kintobor hwo elso could anti-knux have on his team Anti-amy? anti-rouge ? would an anti-shadow even make since?
a shadow that stands for everything shadow doesn't stand for? i'd be willing to buy the comic just to see the result of that.
a shadow that stands for everything shadow doesn't stand for? i'd be willing to buy the comic just to see the result of that.
So would I, it would either be extremly funny or extremly stupid, or both, but I don't think archie would do it I mean the opposite of an emo shadow would be a Happy cheerful shadow & thats, thats just WRONG!
& I have a Hunch that the previously unused Nazo ver of sonic will apper in SonicX 38 (Just a hunch.)
a shadow that stands for everything shadow doesn't stand for? i'd be willing to buy the comic just to see the result of that.
So would I, it would either be extremly funny or extremly stupid, or both, but I don't think archie would do it I mean the opposite of an emo
shadow would be a Happy cheerful shadow & thats, thats just WRONG!
& I have a Hunch that the previously unused Nazo ver of sonic will apper in SonicX 38 (Just a hunch.)
Cue in Happy Shadow. He would be a hippie, wearing flowers in his hair while reciting his favorite line "Make love not war dude".
193 doesn't seem bad. I think Kintobor will make a come back to help Sonic and Amy. My question is why Amy instead of Tails?
Cue in Happy Shadow. He would be a hippie, wearing flowers in his hair while reciting his favorite line "Make love not war dude".
193 doesn't seem bad. I think Kintobor will make a come back to help Sonic and Amy. My question is why Amy instead of Tails?
1.Hippie shadow no way
2. Becuase Ians an amy fan
3.Look at one of the lasers on the cover of #38 it sez nazo (Yea ive said it 3 times now but thats cause im excited.)
The weapon says "BLAZO", not Nazo. It's a flamethrower.
The weapon says "BLAZO", not Nazo. It's a flamethrower.
ok now i see it, Looked kinda like Nazo, & well Blazo & Zappo Rhyme with Nazo, I mean I guess either archie's hinting at somthin or Just teasing us fans who would actually like to See nazo made official (or I guess since its archie semi-official.) but Yea I gut can Dram can't he.
& as for this cover I find it disturbing that sonic can do the splits with out pulling somthing, & I really am worried where Ians going with this Sonic & Amy being alone in Scourges Zone, why not have tails or sally Tag along, oh well at least anti-omega looks cool!
(I still say no to the Idea of a Hippie shadow, that would be just awful.)
Let's call anti knuckles "O'Donnell"
No offense to anyone with that name.
It would be interesting to see Kintobor. Wait a tick...while on the subject of "Kintobors", WHERE THE FRIP IS Hope?! What has she been up to this whole time?! Will she ever be back to extract her revenge on needle-nose Snively?!
She's in Station Square Trying toi improve her skills as a mechanic, most likely will see her again whenever there another big Robotnik or Shadow-centric story.
Oh Yeah...
So, an Anti Omega, possibly a few familiar faces, and Miles hatches a plan. Wait! Which Miles? (There's two of 'em now!)
The plot thickens...
No, there's only one Miles as that's what Anti-Tails goes by now; Tails Prime still goes by Tails.
Yes, I have concerns/worries about Sonic and Amy going alone on a mission. Amy is starting to be used a little too much for my taste. I'd rather see Sonic go on the mission with Tails or Sally.
Yes, I have concerns/worries about Sonic and Amy going alone on a mission. Amy is starting to be used a little too much for my taste. I'd rather see Sonic go on the mission with Tails or Sally.
Amen to that Brother, I mean I know Ian's an amy fan but c.mon doesn't she get enough screen time in the SonicX comic, I mean I know shes a member of th FF now & all but I really miss those Sonic & Sally, Sonic & Tails story, (admitingly sonics Realationship with both has ben strained of late becuase of the whole "I Thought you were dead for a year thing." & the "How dare you date the girl I love even though she's really a B*&%" but Yea I miss the good ol days.
(I wonder if Kintobor Will have an anti-grounder & anti-Scratch with him?)
"Blazo & Zappo Rhyme with Nazo"
'Zappo' doesn't, and 'Blazo' only does if you mispronounce 'nazo' ('a' in japanese is like that in 'cart'. The 'o' sound wouldn't be a long 'o', either). Unless - because 'Blazo' is not real word - you choose to pronounce it 'blah-zo', but that would be ignoring the fact it's channeling the word 'blaze'. So if they were hinting at a character appearance (doubtful) wouldn't Blaze the Cat be the more logical assumption than a 'character' who doesn't canonically exist? Not trying to get you down or anything though, it's just my inner language police acting up.
Just Sonic and Amy in Moebius? I'm guessing the purpose of having Sonic and Amy alone is character development, because I would have expected a trio (Team Sonic) to be there otherwise. I'm eager to see what Metal Scourge looks like so I can draw three Eggmen with their respective Sonic robots (Eggman with Metal Sonic, Kintobor with Metal Scourge and Eggman Nega with Metal Sonic 3.0).
Just Sonic and Amy in Moebius? I'm guessing the purpose of having Sonic and Amy alone is character development, because I would have expected a trio (Team Sonic) to be there otherwise. I'm eager to see what Metal Scourge looks like so I can draw three Eggmen with their respective Sonic robots (Eggman with Metal Sonic, Kintobor with Metal Scourge and Eggman Nega with Metal Sonic 3.0).
I like that Idea have all three versions of robotnik in one issue in the comic, that would be great for issue #200 scourge & the SS Fighting metal scourge, Sonic & the FF fighting metal sonic & Blaze & Silver fighting 3.0 now that would be the best sonic story of the year!
She's in Station Square Trying toi improve her skills as a mechanic, most likely will see her again whenever there another big Robotnik or Shadow-centric story.
Actually, her fate is unknown. It's been stated that as of now it is a mystery if Snively used the Egg Fleet to blast her out of the sky or not.
Also, why are you worried about Ian leaving Sonic and Amy together in Moebius? Until Ian came along, she got no character development. At least now she gets to do something. She does almost nothing in Sonic X and was almost non-existent in the StH comic before Ian came. Sonic has done lots of things with Sally and Tails, and he's done things with them recently too. It gives Amy a chance to do something for a change.
You know, when Anti-Sonic made his triumphant return to the comic in issue #150, I breifly wondered whatever happened to the Anti-Robotnik. I got to thinking about it and just thought to myself, "Well, he's probably dead. Our Sonic beat our Robotnik, after all." It would be really fun to look at that character again, now that the comic's (usually) deeper than what it was. It would also be interesting because the old Robotnik's dead in our world so it would sort of be like meeting a ghost...although I guess it would be a ghost that's less scary than it's living form.
As for Anti-Shadow: "I...I am...not...the Ultimate lifeform! *sob* I'm so pathetic! *sob*"
The only reason some of you are concern is because you feel Ian might be leaning towards a certain area with Amy. (that area that I speak of is of course an area that If I mention it, I might get trouble for)
Actually, her fate is unknown. It's been stated that as of now it is a mystery if Snively used the Egg Fleet to blast her out of the sky or not.
I don't know where you get that; it's pretty obvious what Hope said struck a nerve with Snivley as he was crying so I really doubt he killed her.
Then why are you mentioning it at all, Rosas?
Even if you weren't talking like you can read the minds of "some of you", we all know what you're referring to, because you're making it blatantly obvious. You've had this explained before, but: quit the hedging and doublespeak, because that won't get you around the rule, either.
Actually, her fate is unknown. It's been stated that as of now it is a mystery if Snively used the Egg Fleet to blast her out of the sky or not.
I don't know where you get that; it's pretty obvious what Hope said struck a nerve with Snivley as he was crying so I really doubt he killed her.
I know I think thats the 1st time snivly's actually cried, (that wern't tears of fear anyway.) & if archie killed her off they would have showd it just like they did with Locke, like i said im sure well see her in the next shadow-centric story along with Rouge & G.U.N. but thats just my speculation, anyway back on topic when sonic & amy are on Moebious I wonder if they'll run into anti-amy or an anti-Chaotix?
Some character development for Amy would be good though. I'm hoping we she'll get to do something else other than hit stuff with her hammer. She's been getting more panels as of late and that hasn't been bad.
IMO, Ian's going for one character at a time and I'm not complaining. I think Tails should be up next. Other than being in the "brain trust" and complaining to Fiona, he hasn't gotten much cameo.
"When sonic & amy are on Moebious I wonder if they'll run into anti-amy or an anti-Chaotix?"
I'd assume that we would only see a small amount of 'counterpart' characters whilst in Moebius. Gotta leave something for the next time we visit (are are visited by) Moebius' denizens a year or two down the track
One thing that works for the comic is that when/if there's need to visit whatever new world is introduced in the games, it's much more palatable due to the fact that the existance of a multitude of alternate realities have been a part of the world since very early on. I die a little every time the games introduce another new dimension, but it's all cool in the comic. How many different universes do the games have now? Sonic's dimension, Blaze's dimension, Maginary World, the World of the Arabian Nights, I guess soon the 'World of the Arthurian Legend' and... aren't we supposed to be visiting another world in Chronicles? Looks like that might just mean other planets in Sonic's galaxy, though. The fact that alternate dimensions with counterpart characters work in the comic almost makes it a shame that we haven't spent time in the Arabian Nights outside of that little promo comic.
I don't want to get in trouble for mentioning this (especially as I personally have never cared much about Sonic's love life), but has there ever been a topic specifically for relationship discussion? I don't know whether it would exist happily or destroy itself from within, but at least it'd keep relationship discussion out of every other topic (because there is a lot of covert mentioning of such things anyway). Don't kill me, I was just curious whether it was worthwhile or if in fact it had already been trialled (and subsequently eradicated) in the past or not.
"When sonic & amy are on Moebious I wonder if they'll run into anti-amy or an anti-Chaotix?"
I'd assume that we would only see a small amount of 'counterpart' characters whilst in Moebius. Gotta leave something for the next time we visit (are are visited by) Moebius' denizens a year or two down the trackOne thing that works for the comic is that when/if there's need to visit whatever new world is introduced in the games, it's much more palatable due to the fact that the existance of a multitude of alternate realities have been a part of the world since very early on. I die a little every time the games introduce another new dimension, but it's all cool in the comic. How many different universes do the games have now? Sonic's dimension, Blaze's dimension, Maginary World, the World of the Arabian Nights, I guess soon the 'World of the Arthurian Legend' and... aren't we supposed to be visiting another world in Chronicles? Looks like that might just mean other planets in Sonic's galaxy, though. The fact that alternate dimensions with counterpart characters work in the comic almost makes it a shame that we haven't spent time in the Arabian Nights outside of that little promo comic.
I don't want to get in trouble for mentioning this (especially as I personally have never cared much about Sonic's love life), but has there ever been a topic specifically for relationship discussion? I don't know whether it would exist happily or destroy itself from within, but at least it'd keep relationship discussion out of every other topic (because there is a lot of covert mentioning of such things anyway). Don't kill me, I was just curious whether it was worthwhile or if in fact it had already been trialled (and subsequently eradicated) in the past or not.
So true, I wish we would see both the Arabian nights & Blazes world in the comic, but im sure archie will get to that eventually, & as for a realstionship thread it would most likely destroy its self from within, i mean to be honest shippers of any fan base can get violent very fast. But I agree om kinda dissapointed that its against the rules, I mean i know how much i enjoy watching/starting arguments over anime couples on the TV.com forums. (A buncha noobs there LOL.)
any way like I asked earlier do you think will see anti-amy in 193?
my names for the yet unamed antis
anti-bunny ; Babes
antie-st.john: Stinky
anti-knux; Knuckie ochinda
anti-amy: May
anti-chaotix: Chaotiks
anti snivly: not sure there is one oh wait GRIMER LOL!
anti-omega: BOB!
anti-rouge-rooje
antii-shadow (NOT GONNA HAPPEN!)
There's a possibility that Anti-Amy could go by 'Rosy', as a nod to her nickname that was only ever mentioned in Sonic Fighters ("Rosy the Rascal"). Rosy probably wouldn't suit a mean girl but who's to say that she'd be evil? Anti-Knuckles wasn't. But would Moebius' Amy have undergone an aging process like Mobius' Amy did? Maybe not. In that case the 'rascal' part of the name could work - she might not be old enough to be doing really bad things like Scourge and co, but she'd well on her way, playing mean little pranks. Kinda like Ashley from WarioWare - innocent looking, cute name, but that's not quite what you get.
HMM I guess Rosy the rascal would make sense, I really wish archie would just cancel sonicX & release 2 issues of sonic a month, that way the suspense wouldn't get to me i mean its like what 2 more weeks until 191 6 weeks until 192 & 10 weeks until 193. I'LL JUST DIE OF SUSPENSE!!! but seirously i don't like waiting.
And I think it would be hillarious for anti-snivly to be called Grimer, I love the STC nod archie did in 134, it would be great to see more!
Ian said that the predicament he left Hope in was to basically write her off if I recall correctly. If he has a need for her she'll show up again in the United Federation and will do what is needed for a story. The other route is, they think it is time to put an end to the character and they have that window where Snively could have shot her down. It was also a bit of a test for Snively, was he truly 100% evil or not? If he spared Hope, then he has some humanity in him. Also, what she said might have struck a nerve, but did you think that it might be his emotions getting to him as he was about to shoot down his step sister?
Rosy Rascall would make most sense for Amy. As for Grimer, that would be an interesting nod to StC, but it will never happen. Not after the fit they threw back at the time of 134. Moebius has so many possibilities, it's interesting to think about. I'm just glad we don't have Freedom Fighters in leather anymore. Too bad there is only going to be three more anti characters introduced now, it's pretty fun to speculate about who is going to be introduced next and what they will be like.
True, & i really liked hopes character I don't see why they should write her off, I hope t hey go with the united fedartion thing though, (then when she's older she'll most likely be a techie for G.U.N., if she's not already.) I mean I thought Hope was supposed to be decently important I mean its obvious shadow worries about her, even if she is just a replacment for maria. (See STH 158-159) but Like I said I can see her coming back in the next shadow-centric story along woth Rouge & G.U.N., & I don't think Snivly's evil at all just sort of trying to find out who he really is, i mean he was the one who told hope to leave knotehole in the 1st place, & like you said Hope actually made him cry, so I don't think he shot her down.
Hmm? What happened in #134? I pulled out the issue but couldn't find anything relevant. Unless you mean the cameos Dubs made in the crowd scenes?
Hmm? What happened in #134? I pulled out the issue but couldn't find anything relevant. Unless you mean the cameos Dubs made in the crowd scenes?
Yep thats it, I thought it was kinda neat. but i think fleeyway got mad?
Fleetway were fine with it - it'd been cleared by Sega Licensing themselves.
It was Nigel Kitching and a vocal handful of his more hardcore fans who kicked up a stink - despite the fact that UK copyright law states that unless it's specifically written into your contract, all rights to characters created in these circumstances belong to the company you're working for, not the creator. Which is why Sega okayed it and I personally thought that it was very poor and unprofessional on Mr. Kitching's part to complain - and even threaten legal action which he had no legal chance of winning, for the outlined reasons - about something that the majority of fans I spoke to classed as a respectful cameo and a pleasant nostalgia trip.
Indeed, now back on topic...wich antis do you expect to apper or would like to see in 193
(& if fionas bad does that mean anti-fionas good? I bet Tails would like that.)
Nah. We know that Fiona's good at heart - even Scourge said so, remember?
I have many long and expansive theories on what I think that Fiona's up to that I don't want to bore people here with (although I may post some in my LJ sometime, since I can discuss the relationship aspects over there), but I'd like to see her meet her Moebius counterpart and have to look a genuinely evil version of herself in the eye, and what it'd do to her deep down. I'd like to see it as like one of those moments when someone watches a video of themselves drunk the night before and has no memory of it - an "Is that what I really seem like/what I'm aspiring to become?" epiphany moment where someone realises that they aren't really as cool as they thought they were.
But that's just me.
That would be interesting samanur fox, I,m kinda wondering weather fiona's really evil or just using scourge for her own personal gain, of course I guess I could say the same thing that i said about snivly that she's not really evil just trying to find out deep down who she really is & like you said who she aspires to be, but I gotta say I kinda like her better as a villan (even though she did Break Poor ol sonic & Tails Hearts.) but yea anywho anyonw elso wondering what miles "Scheme" will be?
As far as using Scourge for some scheme of her own goes: I have a definite idea about that, that I'd been kicking around for a while but which really cemented in my head after reading some of the dialogue in #190.
Unfortunately, I can't discuss it here because of the relationship rule. I'll PM it to you if you're really interested, though.
ok.....whats PM mean (Seriously im still pretty new at computer slang.) but yeah id love to hear your ideas on the subject. I myself have many crazy theroies about multiple characters. so please fill free
(by the wayI was wondering how do i edit my sig?)
Obviously we'll be running with this King Scourge for a little bit, about time we made a return back to this version of Mobius, it's been too long.
I don't think anti-Fiona will appear. I think Ian wouldn't want to introduce her yet as it would be a bit complicated. PM means private message, and Samanfur I would be interested to see what you think. As for Fiona turning good again, I don't think so. The original purpose of turning her ito a villain was that the comic was short on female villains, thus why the creative team turned her evil. Not to mention I may be alone in this sentiment, but I'm hapy with her being a villain. She's much more interesting now and can actually add something to the story.
There's a possibility that Anti-Amy could go by 'Rosy', as a nod to her nickname that was only ever mentioned in Sonic Fighters ("Rosy theRascal").
Actually, that particular nickname debuted along with Amy in Sonic CD. Most of the early game previews referred to her with that name.
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They... uh, kinda went in a different direction with the names back then, didn't they?
Rosy the Rascal
Fang the Sniper
Bean the Dynamite
Actually, Sam, I would love to hear your theory on Fiona as well; I wish there was some middle road we could reach on relationships in this forum but I'm sure it was tried before I came to the MoFo.
And now Bsonic, I'm getting tried of hearing you. Ever since you step foot in the MoFo you been saying Ian said this and Ian said that, but yet you have not given any evidence of Ian saying this. We've already been through this kind of thing, and as a result, this topic was created. So, please if you're goning to say Ian said anything, BACK IT UP because I saw nothing in that comic to even suggest that Snivley did anything to Hope let alone kill her!!
And now Bsonic, I'm getting tried of hearing you. Ever since you step foot in the MoFo you been saying Ian said this and Ian said that, but yet you have not given any evidence of Ian saying this. We've already been through this kind of thing, and as a result, this topic was created. So, please if you're goning to say Ian said anything, BACK IT UP because I saw nothing in that comic to even suggest that Snivley did anything to Hope let alone kill her!!
You're right, and for that I am sorry. For Hope, this was one of the instances he was referring to not being sure on whether or not she was safe: http://bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=441&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30 . Further answers for Hope can be found here: http://bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=515&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 . EDIT: One more: http://www.bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=413&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15