Leak
Flynn/Yardley
We begin with Vector, Julie-Su and Knuckles interrogating Rouge. Vec isn't going easy on her and she asks Knux to calm him down but Knux doesn't.
Vec sets up the background: Rouge showed up outside Freedom HQ, via warp ring, asking Sonic and Tails for amnesty. Knuckles and Julie-Su ask how she has a warp ring (as apparently they're Ange Island exclusive), and what she's running from. Vec threatens her with jail time, but ROuge says she hasn't done anything.
Unfortunately for the bat, Fiona came forward an hour ago and told Mighty, Ray, Sonic and Espio about her past with Rouge. Firstly, Rouge had beaten Fi, Bean and Bark in an illegal fighting tourney. What;s more, Rouge had acted as rival to Fiona's "treasure hunting" (ie, robbing) exploits alongside Nic the Weasel.
Rouge begins to spill the beans on what's happened since Birthday Bash. Cue a page of exposition:
After Rouge and Scourge were rescued by Dr. Finitevus, Fin led them to the "egg vineyard" where they rescued the Destructix (presumably this part took place after TDS?). The Destructix ditched Mogul and joined Dr. Fin.
Fin brought them to the base where Isaac and Ivan Kintobor were to steal Isaac's data. However, the data was corrupt. In any case, Dr. Fin got a hold of the ancient missiles in the base. Rouge didn't like this, so she sabatoged them and deserted, using a stolen Warp Ring to come to Knothole.
While this interrogation is going on, Sonic and Fiona are walking when they're confronted by Sleuth, who has Tails at gunpoint. While Sonic's distracted, Scourge shows up and tackle Sonic.
Sleuth is here for Rouge and the stolen Warp Ring. FIona reminds him that even if Rouge is a traitor, Sleuth is also one. Sleuth basically says "same to you."
Scourge is beating Sonic, but once Sonic gains the upper hand Fiona cuts in an says she and Sleut have made a deal: hand over the warp ring and they'll be left alone. Sonic speeds off to retrieve the ring and returns quickly with it. The bad guys make their hasty exit. And Tails does the same, not quite cofortable around Sonic and Fiona.
With the interrogation over, Knux and Vec exit, but Julie-Su conronts Rouge about her flirting with Knux. Rouge says that she always gets what she wants. They fight and Rouge wins, knocking her over and exiting with a smirk.
Call of Duty
Flyyn/Butler
Rotor gets a call on the Technolo-Tree from Locke. Knux shows up and basically says Knux has to come home. Knux refuses. Locke presses, sayign that the situation is bad: THe Dark Legion is in a state of civil war, with the "Flame Legion" under Lien-Da's command and the "Frost Legion" under the command of an unknown Echidna. To make matters wose, Kage and the dingoes are still around. Locke's been tied up with guarding the emerald and searching for the Brotherhood and need Knux's help.
Knux counters that Robotnik is the root of all the problems so he needs tp be dealt with. Locke says that if Knux doesn't come back, he can't guarantee that Lara-Le and the family will be safe. Knux punches out the screen.
Tails comforts Knux, saying he made the right decision (except for ruining the screen). Knux vows to return to Angel Island, someday.
All in all, another exposition-heavy issue. But like TDS, it has tied some of the loose ends of the past few years together. The only problem I have is the continuity doesn't seem to quite match TDS.
It really seems like things are heating up. Fin seems to be doing plenty in the background. I wonder who's leading this Frost Legion. Fin, Dimitri, perhaps something more sinister?
Scans available here
I'm thinking the Frost Leader is a brain-washed Remmy (as he could easily be amongst the group what escaped from the Egg Grapes) As for Finetivus I'm hoping he takes over all of Mobius, and renames it FINLAND. That would so rock.
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I'm thinking the Frost Leader is a brain-washed Remmy (as he could easily be amongst the group what escaped from the Egg Grapes)
Holy Crap, you, too? After reading the summary, I think the same. From the pictures I see (thank you, Miss Puar), it does indeed look like Remmy (provided that black thing on top of his head is indeed his hair), not to mention he holds a clawed arm, something his father had previously.
Man, maybe I should start rescribling. Ahahaha. I'm not so sure about brain washed (didn't the grape pod erase memories)? Something obviously must've happened.
Sounds like Ian is trying to present some sort of compromise to get all of the Kragok fans off his back IMO.
I can't say I ever would've something like a split in the Dark Legion happening though, but at least we're finally seeing some sign of them after what, 2 years?
Still, after that brief look at the situation there, I really hope Ian is going to pursue this more before say, a year from now maybe?
I must agree that there is a screw-up in the continuity here though. Namely in the fact that the other egg-grapes should have all been empty unless Robotnik decided to gather more victims for the sake of it, and that Mogul did not abandon the Destructix and that he was in fact the sole reason they didn't get their minds erased.
A return of an echidna who brings up images of ol' Kragok...I like. And that does look like the classic hair of Rem but hopefully it's not ANOTHER new character...why the name Frost Legion? Could that maybe mean that they were once part of the group frozen in those silly eggs and now have come back to Angel Island to take what is theirs?
Eh...that's probably a lame theory...
I think it's just for the sake of Dichotomy.
Try going to Dub's website called the Dubworks sometime. There's a full explanation that says that in order to arm the legion but get around the whole gun thing that everyone is so sesnsitive about, he themed them with fire and ice. Easily seen in RTAI, there were the furnace troopers armed with those flame swords and jet-like backpacks, and the cryo troopers armed with ice beams and all those hoses from their backs.
There are also numeropus sketches showing early design concepts for scenes and characters like Lien-da and Dr. Finitevus!!!
Sound like a cool story. I did found a continuity problem in there. Isacc is supposed to be gold not silver.
That's not mo much a continuity error as a simple coloring error.
The only connection I could make of this is perhaps when Isaac was gold it represented that all was well within him. Now that he is silver or grey, his data is corrupt and erroneous. I don't know how that would physically change him, but it's just a theory. I haven't read the entire issue, although from what I've seen it doesn't seem like Isaac had to put a fight in order to keep Fin from stealing his data, or at least trying to steal his data, so can we pretty much assume that his AI has been terminated?
I always thought Kintobor was dead. Another scientific genius, evil or not, would just have been too much.
EDIT: Just took a look at Dubworks. Weird how Fin was going to be given a third eye. Maybe he still has one (that diamond thing on his forehead)? One thing I wanted to know about was in Dr. Quack's profile, Dub mentions the Great War II. Was the battle between Mobius and Dr. Eggman, during Sonic's leave officially called that?
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Tails comforts Knux, saying he made the right decision
He just refused to go help stop a civil war between high-tech terrorists in a region that currently has no real governmental structure except said terrorists and where his family lives! Right decision my arse!
Can it actually be confirmed that Kintobor is dead though? What has been said so far really is just from Rouge's point of view. The last time we saw that base it looked like the doctor was still alive as Issac appeared to be talking to him at the end of the GBU arc.
well i hope that ian isn't writing him off as just dead like he has been with a couple of character.
Allrighty, a few things. Ian has confirmed that there will be no more new characters, so the possibility of good ol' Remington being the Kragok look-a-like is pretty damn high (Yay!).
Also, glad to see that Finitevus has been a whole lot busier than the rest of the cast off-screen. Silly Finny has been scurrying around like a mouse setting all these plans into motion X3
And lastly, what was mentioned about Isaac appearing to talk to a cyrogenic-encased Kintobor, it wasn't official then, then it's official now, Isaac has gone crazy.
X3
i really wish ian would just stop saying stuff outside the comic while simultaneosly making it cannon within the comic.
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And lastly, what was mentioned about Isaac appearing to talk to a cyrogenic-encased Kintobor, it wasn't official then, then it's official now, Isaac has gone crazy.
Although I didn't read it all, as I don't want to spoil it for myself, but I'm glad to hear Knuckles taking alot of the spotlight in this ish. He's been a background character since return to angel island.
I'm sure Neo will be happy to hear that Remington may still be alive.
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i really wish ian would just stop saying stuff outside the comic while simultaneosly making it cannon within the comic.
Such as? If you can infer that something happened, that should be good enough - no need to force it down your throat with a flat explanation. Rouge wondered if it was possible for a robot to go insane because Issac's actions (talking to what was revealed to be a long-dead body) made no sense.
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Such as? If you can infer that something happened, that should be good enough - no need to force it down your throat with a flat explanation. Rouge wondered if it was possible for a robot to go insane because Issac's actions (talking to what was revealed to be a long-dead body) made no sense.
ok,what i'm asking is, did they actually say that in the comic? or did ian say it?
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ok,what i'm asking is, did they actually say that in the comic? or did ian say it?
It's in the comic. As far as I know Ian hasn't said anything about it.
Rouge: He wanted to steal all of Issac's data, but most of it was corrupt or erroneous. I mean, it was guarding a frozen corpse. Can a robot go insane?
So the whole possibility of Ivan Kintobor becoming another player in this comic just went down the drain? And if Isaac is corrupted and such, does that mean all the history he was spewing in TGBU was false. Wouldn't this make 146-149 more of a waste of time?
It's just... kinda frustrating.
And after seeing those scans, I'd say it's Remmy, too. Thank God.
Here's another problem. In GBU, Issac said his job was to investigate activity on Mobius' surface as life developed following the holocaust brought on by the Xorda as well as make sure that Kintobor's life was still preserved. How could Issac not have been informed of an arising situation that would've lead to Kintobor's demise and acted to possibly prevent it instead of going "crazy" and continue responding to the protocols that meant everything was status quo? These developments really have left me kind of disappointed with the advancements of the ancient human technology there in terms of programming and cryogenics. I mean, I thought that stuff
was meant to keep you alive over long periods of time!
Yeah, but think of how long Issac had been running. Most computer functions tend to deteriorate on their own with the passage of time. All kinds of unseen factors could come into play. Look how often the stuff sent into space malfunctions even after extensive testing. I wouldn't say it's unlikely at all that Issac couldn't keep up with his own maintenance after such a long time, or that an accident occured that hastened the process.
Also, considering how one of the most common complains about the comic is that its cast is too large, I really don't see how it's a bad thing that we've been spared another Robotnik family member running around.
But who's to say he would've been evil like the Robotniks before him? Consider the Robotnik from Scourge's(that's definitely easier to say! ) universe or the reality where all the Mobians were turned into Godzilla like beasts.
Kintobor sounded simply like a scientist who went too far in trying to understand the Xorda and accidentally incited their wrath when their ambassador was dissected. When you consider all the bad publicity that "ugly" looking aliens get in the movies and reactions from the military and havng scientists examine corpses of specimens, wouldn't you think Kintobor was simply doing his job?
How is that relevent? I never said anything about him being evil or another baddie, just that he'd be yet another Robotnik relative we don't really need. More characters means that the limited "screentime" ends up spread even thinner among them, and that doesn't need to be eaten up by more extended family.
In the Knuckles backstory he asks his dad if there was any word on Charmy's relatives (and it refers to issue 138 when Charmy and Safron showed up at Chuck's).
I thought that Charmy had said that there were no survivors...... has that changed?
How do we know he's dead? All we know is that Rouge assumes him to be dead.
it didn't actually say that he was dead then correct?
they just assumed.
According to Ken Penders' math, the Xorda invasion will come about in the next few years, our time. So we're basically talking about cryogenic technology as it exists today. Now using today's technology, freeze yourself forwhat was it?TWELVE THOUSAND YEARS. How could Ivan keep the lights on for that long, let alone make sure he didn't hit his best before date?
And, yes. Rouge said, explicitly, that he was a corpse. I'm sure it's not too hard to mistake that.
Ivan is dead. Doc Fin dismantled Issac. The bombs are useless. Didn't everyone agree these things were bad ideas when they were introduced a year ago?
-Shakudo-
"1.6 million hits, baby! WHOO!"
Picking nits, as of today Ivan Kintobor is 2 months, 4 days old (born 6/6/06, remember?). The Xorda attack won't occur until Kintobor's an adult, probably until he's middle-aged based on what we've seen of him. Which would mean the Xorda attack could be some fifty years from today, possibly a bit more. Technology will advance in that time. A lot.
Speaking of the Xorda, didn't Ian say that they were on his list of plot points to address in the next year?
Personally, I thought some of the ideas in GBU were good. I just didn't like the fact that the story lead basically to nowhere in the end.
GBU suffered from the same problem as almost every other similar plot point: it was made out to be of huge importance, then went unmentioned for a couple years. It was left dangling for too long. By the time they tried to pick it up again, few people even cared.
Ken did it. Karl did it. Ian looks like he's not doing it.
Well hopefully if the Xorda storyline is resolved, i.e. their war with the Bem, issues with Mobius
Then perhaps this may be the way to go to bring back Tails' parents to Mobius once again
Well after reading it today, my question is what is going with Fiona, there seems to be more to her than meets the eye.
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Well after reading it today, my question is what is going with Fiona, there seems to be more to her than meets the eye.
well.. yeah. i think that's the point. she has a past we don't really know much about. and i'm pretty sure that that specific comment has been pointed out before.
Forgive my fanboy noobishness and by all means,... don't let the Dr. Ivan discussion stop, but I would much perfer the Grandmaster of the Frost Faction to be Kragok instead of Remmington. =(
unfortunately, ian said that kragok is dead.
Unfortunately he's been dead for a while,... and I'm still upset about it. I have such bad luck with my favorite villains and antiheros dieing all the time. But blah. I'm getting off topic. I at least hope that if it is Remmington he has a good backstory. With all these egg grapes,... things are so confusing,... along with Dr Fin and his evil doings,... and Annonomous,... this seems to be one of those things that will be resolved in several months =_= *is thinking way too much and giving self a headache*
Whatever the case, it appears the feud between Team Aqua and Team Magma will continue for quite some time.
You mean they've hired the teams from Pokemon now?
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Surely they wouldn't think of reviving a long dead villain, even if he had so much potential (Kragok)...I thought we're past that.
yes they are now pokemon teams.
I think that the "Where's Waldo" book series had two different clans battling each other -- one of them using water, one using fire -- and this is a good ten, fifteen years before Pokemon. I think it might have been "The Great Waldo Search..."
Anyway, it's not fair to compare the Fire Vs. Ice thing to Pokemon because they didn't invent the concept of elements and they certainly didn't invent the concept of elements being at conflict with each other...In fact, you could say that the battle between fire and ice has existed for millions of years -- or at least as long as there has been fire and ice...Or fire, and not fire, or hot and cold...
Frost Legion aka Team Aqua ftw, just because Lien's not leading them and it's something different XD
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Anyway, it's not fair to compare the Fire Vs. Ice thing to Pokemon because they didn't invent the concept of elements and they certainly didn't invent the concept of elements being at conflict with each other...In fact, you could say that the battle between fire and ice has existed for millions of years -- or at least as long as there has been fire and ice...Or fire, and not fire, or hot and cold...
I think it was less of a comparison and more of a sly joke, referring to the fact that in Pokmon, Teams Aqua and Magma replaced the elementally-neutral Team Rocket, which is much like (but not identical to) this situation.
I LOL'd, anyhow.
yeah i was about to say "you're not seriously arguing about a joke?"
if you guys were that would be really pathetic.
I'm sorry; I took that one way too seriously. I'm somewhat of a Pokemon fan and every now and then I get a little of how much flak the show gets. Now that I'm looking at it from a humour angle, it is relatively clevar. : )
Off topic:well, i REALLY dislike the show it's just too lame now, but coincidently i bought sapphire the other day and am having a blast.
Hmmm, did Julie-Su almost swear in the fight with Rouge? Thats gotta be a first.
Got the issue about two days ago, and I must say I'm liking where the main story is going.
You have Dr. Finny running off around in the background doing, well, stuff, and he has the Destructix, Scourge, and possibly many more as his minions.
Eggman, who doesn't even know he's harbouring Anonymous, has re-recruited Snively, and has his Egg Fleet and the Egg Grapes, where he has Mammoth Mogul and others trapped.
Fiona's past is slowly starting to unravel to the audience. We all know she had a seedy past, as she worked with Nicollette the Weasel. But, as we learn more, it seems to get worse and worse.
Then, there's the side-stuff, like what's going on over on Angel Island. Yayz! Kage! Yayz! Komissar! Yayz! REMMY!
I can't wait for the issues after M:25YL. X3
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I can't wait for the issues after M:25YL. X3
you're not alone there. but i do feel that they need to tie up some loose ends, such as how Lara-su was transported wherever she was. and also, why the future was changed from Knuckles being an evil dictator to Knuckles is a kind father.
