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SONIC THE HEDGEHOG #201
"Change in Management": Sonic and his friends are ready to relax after the series-shaking events of #200, but their plans soon change with the explosive arrival of an old villain! A villain who brings grim tidings of a new threat that's claimed the world! Who are the new faces of evil? Will Sonic rise to the occasion, or will he be busy fighting a mystery guest star? "Devotion": Espio the Chameleon gets a visitor of his own, and news that will change his standing in the Chaotix forever!
SCRIPT: Ian Flynn
ART: Tracy Yardley!
Shipping Date: June 3rd, 2009
On Sale at Comic Specialty Shops: June 10th, 2009
On Sale on Newsstands: June 23rd, 2009
32-page, full color comic
$2.50 US

SONIC UNIVERSE #5

THE LATEST HIT SONIC SERIES RETURNS WITH THE BEGINNING OF AN EPIC
"MOBIUS: 30 YEARS LATER" TALE!: "Five Years of Peace": By popular demand, we're going back to the future! It's now thirty years down the line and King Sonic is on the throne. He has his hands full with the tiny royal twins, but fan-favorite Lara-Su is there to help. As the world prepares to celebrate the new royal family, a deadly plot is hatched from the shadows...and you'll never guess who shows up at the end! It's the action and adventure you've come to expect from "Mobius: 25 Years Later" tales...not to mention all your favorite good guys and bad guys! The future has never been more frantic...and it's up to Sonic to make sure it's infinite!
SCRIPT: Ian Flynn
ART: Tracy Yardley!
Shipping Date: June 17th, 2009
On Sale at Comic Specialty Shops: June 24th, 2009
On Sale on Newsstands: July 7th, 2009
32-page, full color comic
$2.50 US

Not as excited about SU #5, but Lara-su's expression is pretty funny. It also looks like Lien-Da will cause some trouble in the alternate time line/possible future.

 
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Can I just say that I love the expression on Lara-Su? Was it ever mentioned how much older she is than Sonic's two?

 
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Can I just say that I love the expression on Lara-Su? Was it ever mentioned how much older she is than Sonic's two?

Lara-Su and Sonia used to be the same age, before King Sonic made a time reset (I don't remember Manik's age). When time was reset by King Sonic, Sonia and Manik were erased from time, as seen in issues #166-167. However, this seems to be five years after the events seen in #166-167, so I'd surmise Sonia and Manik are now somewhere between the ages of 3-5 about now (5 if Sonic and Sally got started quickly).

 
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I have a feeling though that Manik and Sonia are going to be twins in this version as they look like they're about the same age in the picture.

 
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I have a feeling though that Manik and Sonia are going to be twins in this version as they look like they're about the same age in the picture.

Indeed, that's the idea I'm going with until proven otherwise.

 
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Sally's expression in 201 bothers me slightly. Might just be because the thumbnail is small and distorts her face a little to make it only appear that she looks smug when she's actually smiling like everyone else. Another part of me thinks that it's because she's a wicked wench who's secretly planning Sonic's demise.

I can't say I'm thrilled we're going into Mobius:20-25-30-FOREVER Years Later again so soon. This'll be the third or fourth time we're visiting that timeline in about 75 issues. It's not a future I'm particularly happy with. The original storyline was like nails against a chalkboard with its pacing; nothing seemed to happen for the longest time before the universe collapsed. Take Two took us directly to the final battle without much of a buildup on how things came to be that way. Shadow was King and now he had to not be King because ... well ... I actually don't remember the reason why him being King was a bad thing besides that Sonic was bawling over the lost of his children. Civilization seemed to be stable (albeit terrified of their immortal King) and secure under the iron fist of King Shadow.

Speaking of Shadow ... I'm taking bets that the crystallized former-King will thaw and this'll dissolve into a brawl.

Truthfully, I'm much more interested in Silver's distant future then any of the Freedom Fighter's immediate future.

 
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I have a feeling though that Manik and Sonia are going to be twins in this version as they look like they're about the same age in the picture.

Indeed, that's the idea I'm going with until proven otherwise.

Yeah, someone agrees with me!

 
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While I never liked the future stories, I do like Lara-su and her expression on the cover is priceless. Hope we'll get to see some of the other characters this time around.

Also agree with the 201 ~ 51 cover/theme similarities I've heard of on Bumbleking. Hopefully this won't be some whacked out hologram dream story either.

 
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Sonic the Celebrity XD As if he wasn't one already. So maybe a rock star?

 
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Kill it! Kill it with fire!

I'm sorry, but as much as I respect Ian's talent as a writer and don't doubt he'll do a competent job even when making a silk purse from a sow's ear, I have no desire to see even more of Penders' bloated ego child than I already have and I don't see the point of going over all this again.

It feels like that whole continuity does nothing but cause trouble - and as much as a comic about alternate universes is a fair enough place to put it, I still doubt that it's going to stop the obvious confusion over how real this future could be when we're back into it yet again, with what feels like indecent haste. As much as I'd like to see the story told competently, it feels like it'll only ever stir up 'shippers and take up space.

If this isn't going to be yet another blather about possible futures to stir up the main continuity again, it feels as though we're going to blag that this is another alternate universe and basically turn the arc into a fancy variation on Zone Wars (something I've been a little afraid of with Universe from the get-go), to possibly fix the bits where Penders got silly. And one pointless alternate future's bad enough without there being potentially millions to tweak every daft editorial decision.

Lara-Su (note how she gets centre stage) feels like Shadow's role in SA2 for me most of the time: a passable idea within the scope of what she was originally created for, but something that just keeps coming back and back and back out of fanservice or sentimentality long after its narrative purpose was served, rather than because there's any point to it. I don't want or need yet another story about how she's oh so tomboyishly awesome that she could kick another echidna's tail (please, can we at least have some variety in the villains?) and be smart enough to save every previously competent FF we already know on her lonesome if anyone gave the poor, misunderstood diddums a chance - and she's great with little kids, too!

I thought that Universe was supposed to have a degree of independence from reading the main book - so why, after the four issue blatant attention-grab with the character popular with tweenie fanboys, are we shackling it firmly back to not just the Archie cast but a bucketload of back-story and off-panel politics that only the old Archie fans'll know fully?

And yes, I know that Universe is ultimately a tool for marketing the main book and vice versa - but trying to bridge the two for new readers with a continuity relevant only to itself out of almost two hundred issues is just coming off as confusing.

Echidnas: 25 Freakin' Issues Later has had its chance multiple times and was a legend in nothing more than its creator's head. If Universe was supposed to be about alternate Sonic universes and expanding the canon, let's just stop beating the dead horse and show something we haven't seen before, like Silver's dystopia or more of Blaze's dimension - I'd rather see world-building for even Elise or Sera than yet another steaming load of this.

 
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i was kinda hoping that they'd just jump into the knuckles arc, i know that we just had enerjak reborn, but come on,before that it was Rtai (i loved it,) it's quite a gap if you noticed.

 
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Sally's expression in 201 bothers me slightly. Might just be because the thumbnail is small and distorts her face a little to make it only appear that she looks smug when she's actually smiling like everyone else. Another part of me thinks that it's because she's a wicked wench who's secretly planning Sonic's demise.

After the feeling of #51-related deja vu already expressed, I can only look at this, think of the original post-Endgame plot outline and keep my fingers crossed...

A forlorn hope at the moment, I know.

 
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It too bad Lara-Su is born 18-19 years from now. If people were so fond of her to the point that it wouldn't feel right to go more then 20 issues without her I'd say they should just introduce her to the main timeline rather then keep jumping ahead to see her. Thanks to the " inspirational " design in the design department back in the day none of the other kids (do they even exist in this timeline?) look even remotely interesting. Sonia and Manik got a revamp, at least, instead of being recolored chibis of their parents.

I just noticed Julie-Su isn't on the cover ... and now it's bothering me.

Edit:

After the feeling of #51-related deja vu already expressed, I can only look at this, think of the original post-Endgame plot outline and keep my fingers crossed...

Sally is an Eggman Robot?

 
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We can but hope.

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels justified in using inverted commas when talking about what an original idea Lara-Su is (although yes, any blend of the parents would look spectacular against Sonic and Sally's two mini-clones, who've missed an opportunity for an image revamp as well as an age retcon) - although I freely admit that when it comes to speculative fan fiction in any series or continuity (and what is Archie if not semi-AU SatAM fanfic with a Sega stamp on it? :P), I've always been allergic to kidfic.

This feels a bit more than that, though - again, the whole continuity just bugs me.

And as far as Julie-Su goes: it seemed to me as though the only reason we got to see as much of Queen Sally wandering around simpering and being angsty as we did before was because she was a queen and wife of the monarch/alleged protagonist. If Julie's still the same prissy little housewife that Penders devolved her into (and please let Abby either've been retconned out of existence in this AU or met with a nasty accident in the five intervening years!), then I can't justify a reason for her to be there, either.

Although I'm now having thoughts about Lara doing the whole Chibi-Usa time travel schtick because Daddy won't let her be a Guardian and she wants to learn from the best one way or the other when Daddy doesn't know that he's told her "No!" yet... Again, as much as I'd actually be curious to see that as a fanfic, I don't like possible futures in canon for the paradoxes and predestination (and resulting bickering) they potentially throw up. The readership's divided enough.

 
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I've always been allergic to kidfic.

Almost all kidfics boil down to the same thing. For one reason or another their parents aren't competent enough to handle the situation so it's up to the kids to save the day, usually on their first outing. That was even how the Knothole Freedom Fighters got their start after the Original Freedom Fighters were beaten.

If Julie's still the same prissy little housewife that Penders devolved her into (and please let Abby either've been retconned out of existence in this AU or met with a nasty accident in the five intervening years!), then I can't justify a reason for her to be there, either.

It just seems more " right " to have Julie-Su pictured with the rest of her family then to exclude her entirely. I don't care much of a pull Julie-Su has in the upcoming storyline once we actually get into the book. I imagine it'll be about on par with how much pull say ... Sonia has had in any one of these stories that's been published so far.

Although I'm now having thoughts about Lara doing the whole Chibi-Usa time travel schtick

That's more up Silver's alley. If I had to choose between the two I'd say give the newbie a chance. At least he's investigating what's bound to be an important plot point one of these days.

 
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Almost all kidfics boil down to the same thing. For one reason or another their parents aren't competent enough to handle the situation so it's up to the kids to save the day, usually on their first outing.

Either that, or the kid is a pointless window dressing rather than anything to do with a plot, and their only function in the story is for the canon characters to remark on how cute/naughty/mysterious/unique/better than their parents/[insert adjective here] they are whilst they slow the narrative down.

Or maybe I'm reading the wrong kidfics.

That was even how the Knothole Freedom Fighters got their start after the Original Freedom Fighters were beaten.

True, but that doesn't mean that I want to see the characters we've seen develop over so long seemingly devolve as they get older. It's one thing to lose youthful vigour, but it's another to have them become the exact same stuffy, blinkered, incompetent adults that you privately hoped they'd be smart enough to remember how much they hated as kids. It just seems to defy common sense at times.

It just seems more " right " to have Julie-Su pictured with the rest of her family then to exclude her entirely. I don't care much of a pull Julie-Su has in the upcoming storyline once we actually get into the book. I imagine it'll be about on par with how much pull say ... Sonia has had in any one of these stories that's been published so far.

Given the available evidence, I'm inclined to agree.

That's more up Silver's alley. If I had to choose between the two I'd say give the newbie a chance. At least he's investigating what's bound to be an important plot point one of these days.

As I've already said above: ditto for the same reasons. M25YL still feels like a vanity project that won't die for as long as it's mystifyingly allowed to bimble along in its own little bubble.

 
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M25YL still feels like a vanity project that won't die for as long as it's mystifyingly allowed to bimble along in its own little bubble.

Ian said at his forum that M25YL was popular so they brought it back; gotta go where the money is eh?

 
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True, but that doesn't mean that I want to see the characters we've seen develop over so long seemingly devolve as they get older.

I would think that out of any of the Freedom Fighters Sonic would have the most vigor even 30 years later but no ... he got beaten to a plup by Shadow in about a second or so. It must be just those Master Emerald worshiping Echidnas that can live hundreds of years and show little sign of aging. When Locke was 40 he was able to keep up with mobians half his age.

Not to mention that Sonic is the last character I'd think would willingly settle down into the mediocrity of being a snobbish politician. It's just not a lifestyle I'd think he would be happy with in the long run. The original storyline hinted on that a little with Sonic's mini-crisis but after Sally basically told him to shut up and suck it up the subject was dropped. His thing seemed to be " I'm no King ", which is true, yet he goes along with all of this because he feels he's obligated to.

Ian said at his forum that M25YL was popular so they brought it back; gotta go where the money is eh?

It may be popular bit it isn't without its flaws. If not for the idea that this is all yet another alternate future it could be extremely restricting for future writers, for example.

BTW my math is mud. If Lara-Su was 16-ish (she remarked that she was about Knuckles' age when he was a guardian) then she'll be born 4 years from now, not 19, assuming that her age didn't change from the original storyline.

 
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i for one enjoyed the M25YL storyline and didn't mind the slow pace it took. although i do agree comparing its first run with the big two issue arc it ended with are polar opposites, but i'm eager to re-visit it. i enjoy lara-su's character and given that i was a bit confused on some parts when it ended i'd like a chance for them to devote an entire comic to tying up loose ends. still anxiously awaiting an SU arc featuring knux. good things come to those who wait i guess.

i'm actually eager for a world minus eggman again (not knowing how #200 will end) my favorite stories came out of endgame and what followed from that point to 75 when robo-robotnik entered the scene. hopefully the post 200 era can do that for me again.

 
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Just a thought, for any really, really old school fans - when #50 came out and Robotnik was killed (in 1997 I believe), was there any information/images on the new SA-designed Eggman at all?

 
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^^ hmm well of course back then i didn't have the internet for a resource but i don't think the SA-eggman design was out yet by #50. i remember reading about some of the issues they faced tying in the changes sega made for SA and they mentioned that the plans for robotnik prime being killed and then being replaced by robo-robotnik were already in place and then they received the eggman design so they figured, well this new robotnik is all robotic so they can just destroy his original body and have his memory data downloaded into a new body, hence giving us the updated eggman design. that was one of the easier obstacles for them to overcome with the SA tie in

 
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As I posted on Ian's forum, I'm abit suprised nobody else has spotted this. The two visible members of Mina's band appear to be none other then Sharps the rooster and Mach the rabbit, members of the scrapped Sonic band from Sonic 1. How's THAT for pulling a relic out of your hat?

 
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Rad Red 21 is right. The New Eggman look came with the buildup to 75-which then followed with the SA adaption. Think Sonic got his makeover too in what...71?

 
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^^ yea with the super emerald thingy slightly altering his appearance. that was such a convenient excuse. yep... blame it on the emeralds

 
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Sally's expression in 201 bothers me slightly. Might just be because the thumbnail is small and distorts her face a little to make it only appear that she looks smug when she's actually smiling like everyone else. Another part of me thinks that it's because she's a wicked wench who's secretly planning Sonic's demise.

I can't say I'm thrilled we're going into Mobius:20-25-30-FOREVER Years Later again so soon. This'll be the third or fourth time we're visiting that timeline in about 75 issues. It's not a future I'm particularly happy with. The original storyline was like nails against a chalkboard with its pacing; nothing seemed to happen for the longest time before the universe collapsed. Take Two took us directly to the final battle without much of a buildup on how things came to be that way. Shadow was King and now he had to not be King because ... well ... I actually don't remember the reason why him being King was a bad thing besides that Sonic was bawling over the lost of his children. Civilization seemed to be stable (albeit terrified of their immortal King) and secure under the iron fist of King Shadow.

Speaking of Shadow ... I'm taking bets that the crystallized former-King will thaw and this'll dissolve into a brawl.

Truthfully, I'm much more interested in Silver's distant future then any of the Freedom Fighter's immediate future.

Well Technically The Mobius 25/30YL stories Are Elseworlds tells. I mean there stories of things that may or may not happen. I mean Its pretty much a Given that Sonic&Sally as well as Knux& Julie-su will get married. But Tails & Mina doesn't make since at all, not to mention that theres no reason for shadow to go all Crazy reality-altering evil since He works for GUN now, as well as Starting to learn how to make Friends again (I speak of Hope, Rouge & Omega of course.) Plus in that Timeline Lien-da has a son. I mean I doubt theres an echinda Brave enough to ask here out on a date let alone marry here. (Except Fintivus, but I don't see that Guy settleing down & raising a famly considering he's a Genocidal nut. But who knows . LOL!) So I would'nt worry about this being the set in stone future of sonic & co. Just a possible one.

 
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As I said on Ian's forum, I am not sure about revisiting Mobius 25 plus years later. We'll see how it goes. I have always seen the future stories as only possible, or I wouldn't be worried about if cerain things will happen. There were some things in the M25LY story that I didn't like, for example Sonic's attitude in the first part of the story, it was selfish of him complaining that he couldn't do what he wanted because of the responibities(which he chose to take on) of kingdom and family. Sonic should have appreicated that he had a wonderful wife and kids before he lost them, it's basically the life I think Sonic and Sally should have together(only mentioning it because it is apart of the issue). It may not be the most exciting life, but it is appealing. I hope Sonic finally learns the lesson to appreicate his family and friends for real in the comic. As for Tails and Mina, Archie has plenty of time to make them make sense as a couple if they decide to go though with pairing them for real.

I think the reason M25LY does have some popularity is because Lara-Su does have a fan base, and that there are those fans that, for the most part, like the future they have seen for the characters.

 
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. As for Tails and Mina, Archie has plenty of time to make them make sense as a couple if they decide to go though with pairing them for real.

I think the reason M25LY does have some popularity is because Lara-Su does have a fan base, and that there are those fans that, for the most part, like the future they have seen for the characters.

1. But Mina's 16 tails is only 12...that would makme Mina a shotakon! (a girl version of a lolicon) I think tails should be paired with someone closer to his age.

2. Yes Lara-Su is awsome. I think it would be interesting to see her in her own adventures every now & then.

 
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1. But Mina's 16 tails is only 12...that would makme Mina a shotakon! (a girl version of a lolicon) I think tails should be paired with someone closer to his age.

And they could have just as easily come together at a later, more appropriate age, which is more likely the case.

 
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Well Technically The Mobius 25/30YL stories Are Elseworlds tells. I mean there stories of things that may or may not happen.

That's exactly why I'm against revisiting this one again. This storyline is just one of more then a million possible futures. Not only that, but it's the future that's most likely to happen barring that nothing completely out of left field stops it. There isn't anything terribly exciting about what's transpired in this future thus far which is where the whole " kid-fic " discussion came from on the first page. Everyone settled down, got married, and had kids that look and act just like them! Big surprise. Big whoop.

I think the reason M25LY does have some popularity is because Lara-Su does have a fan base

Agreed. If people like Lara-Su for who she is she doesn't really need a mediocre cast of recolored kids to back her up.

1. But Mina's 16 tails is only 12...that would make Mina a shotakon! (a girl version of a lolicon) I think tails should be paired with someone closer to his age.

Amy is (technically) the only girl close to his age in the immediate cast.

Speaking of Amy ... where is she in all of this?

 
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Amy is (technically) the only girl close to his age in the immediate cast.

Speaking of Amy ... where is she in all of this?

I bet she's probably off somewhere smashing Sonic Dolls with her hammer. LOL!! But yea, Its true amy is the only one close to tails in age, and although I would'nt mind seeing a future with those 2 together lord knows that can't happen cause then every Sonamy fan on earth would attack Archie comics. LOL I guess Ian Could Pair him with Marine. But Considering Marine is Basically the Meg of the Sonic universe in Ian's eyes I doubt that would happen either. Oh well tails is a genius he can just build himself a wife. or I guess they could put Cream in the Archieverse..UGGG. You know what I think its better for Tails to stay a bachlor.

 
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I guess they could put Cream in the Archieverse.

He can use Cream in the comics now. The writers couldn't for one reason or another before.

I imagine an older Cream would look exactly like Vanilla Rabbit, though. That would kind of tie in with the whole " generic recolor child " thing that I didn't want happening anymore then needed (which is never).

 
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I speak from experience when I say: in your teens, it's a big gap - but the older you get, the more maturity starts to plateau and less the gaps in knowledge and experience matter, because there's more common ground.

But that's as far as this particular relationship discussion'll be going, people. Can we stick to the actual mechanics of the issue?

 
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It's always funny to see an innocent discussion slowly edge precariously closer to the darkness.

 
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Almost like a will it or won't it, isn't it?

 
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Come on guys, I hate the future stories as much as the next person, but don't you think you're overreacting a little? ^^;;
It's only four issues after all, and afterwards, we'll get the awesomeness that is a Knuckles story. I love how Ian portrays Knuckles, and I'm very much looking forward to it, and don't mind the wait.

 
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Echidnas: 25 Freakin' Issues Later has had its chance multiple times and was a legend in nothing more than its creator's head. If Universe was supposed to be about alternate Sonic universes and expanding the canon, let's just stop beating the dead horse and show something we haven't seen before, like Silver's dystopia or more of Blaze's dimension - I'd rather see world-building for even Elise or Sera than yet another steaming load of this.

With that stated (I agree, by the way), I'm still waiting for Remington (eight years and counting!) to figure out if he's Kragok's kid, let alone a Dark Legion. I got absolutely nothing answered in the Enerjak arc and it's grating my nerves. Considering the Sonic Universe is meant to explore other aspects of the Sonicdom, be it alternate universe or main canon, I can only hope. *taps feet* I'm waaaaaaaaaaaiting...still.

 
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I think they covered it very briefly during the Enerjak arch and then dropped it.

Took a look just to be sure. Dr. Finitevus confirmed Remmington was a descendant of Dimitiri in #183 (the backstory he explained his reasoning to Scourge). At least it isn't a question whether or not he's a part of the Legion. That was it, though.

Edit: Actually ...

Okay. Now that's it.

 
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Ooh, thanks for posting this.

I love me some echidna art.

 
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Does it go across? Seems to, to figure out the family tree....I need that arc now >>

 
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lol@ Lara-Su

wait...30 years later? Hopefully this doesn't become a mess...>>

 
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I think they covered it very briefly during the Enerjak arch and then dropped it.

Took a look just to be sure. Dr. Finitevus confirmed Remmington was a descendant of Dimitiri in #183 (the backstory he explained his reasoning to Scourge). At least it isn't a question whether or not he's a part of the Legion. That was it, though.

Dr. Finitevus confirmed it, not Remmy. I wanna know if he knows. As far as I'm concerned, it can go either way; Knuckles the Enerjak could have wiped his entire memories of his time as a Dark Legion (and potential knowledge he gained of his origins from it) or Remington himself still possesses it, but has yet to reveal it to the public (that is, us, the readers). So in short, it's ambigious and it's grating on my nerves.

 
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30 years in the future eh? Wow. Cover's good. I just wonder what it'll be about now.

Also, for issue #201, can it be? Is Robotnik finally gone? It'd be like after issue #50 all over again when they all go in and take over. I wish that Snively would take over Eggman's role. He deserves to. And that brief look he had back in #118 I believe, was also a good look. I don't know.

 
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If Robotnik is defeated by #201, I hope we get a proper issue dealing with the aftermath of it. #51 was waaaay too glossed over.

 
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I really doubt the FF's will be taking over the city. Most likely, Snively's "secret friend" will be taking over the city. Although, maybe it will be unknown to Sonic and the gang that they had help during they're fight. Otherwise why would they be celebrating?

 
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Or possibly that traitor Silver had mentioned. Guess we have to wait and see.

 
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I think they covered it very briefly during the Enerjak arch and then dropped it.

Took a look just to be sure. Dr. Finitevus confirmed Remmington was a descendant of Dimitiri in #183 (the backstory he explained his reasoning to Scourge). At
least it isn't a question whether or not he's a part of the Legion. That was it, though.

Dr. Finitevus confirmed it, not Remmy. I wanna know if he knows. As far as I'm concerned, it can go either way; Knuckles the Enerjak could have wiped his entire memories of his time as a Dark Legion (and potential knowledge he gained of his origins from it) or Remington himself still possesses it, but has yet to reveal it to the public (that is, us, the readers). So in short, it's ambigious and it's grating on my nerves.

Well, looking at the ask Ian thread in February, which was a character specific Q&A, it is touched upon:

Remington: Could you describe your time as leader of the Frost Legion? What sort of leader were you? What did you, and the Frost Legion, do exactly?

That part of my life is a bit of a haze, honestly. When Enerjak restored me, he restored me, not the puppet Finitevus created. I do remember being rescued and being . . . well, I guess "transformed" is the right word for it. From there my time as the Frost Grandmaster is snippets - leading raids, fighting Lien-Da, making rallying speeches - but not much else. I can't remember eating or sleeping much. I wonder if I was truly alive at all at that point, or just some husk Finitevus had playing a part. Again, I prefer to keep my mind on my present duties than the past.

Also, Locke also kinda confirmed that Remmy knew of his origins:

I think we had a friendly working relationship. He was a good man, and given his lineage we felt it best that we remain on especially friendly terms with him. I don't know if we could be called "friends" in the conventional sense, but we were certainly more than simple associates.

That sounds like Remmy was aware of his origins; of course, the "we" could have been Locke and the Brotherhood

 
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I think we had a friendly working relationship. He was a good man, and given his lineage we felt it best that we remain on especially friendly terms with him. I don't know if we could be called "friends" in the conventional sense, but we were certainly more than simple associates.

That sounds like Remmy was aware of his origins; of course, the "we" could have been Locke and the Brotherhood

The brotherhoods? I thought they bit the dust? I've stopped reading again, so I don't remember if they came back or they built a new one or...something.

Whatever the case is, this seems to be the closest I'll get an answer to, but it still seems to hint of ambiguity, meaning I'm still waiting (maybe I'm just waiting till he actually says it in the comic because I'm still in "Not sure" territory). Thanks for the source, Full Metal.

 
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No prob, Neo! As far as the Brotherhood goes, Ian is still unsure of their fate; it seems like they either died or else there suffering/fighting for their lifes in the Twilight Zone with Moritori Rex. Also, when I said that "we" might have been the Brotherhood, I meant that the discussion happened before they were shipped off.

Oh, one more thing to note from this month's Ask Ian:

Is Moritori Rex most likely on the run from the Brotherhood in the Twilight Zone, or would an alliance of necessity be more plausible?

After what Finitevus did to them, it'd be a miracle if any of them were sitting upright, let alone running or fighting.

 
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Just a thought, for any really, really old school fans - when #50 came out and Robotnik was killed (in 1997 I believe), was there any information/images on the new SA-designed Eggman at all?

Nope. None at all. In fact I don't think we even got to see any of the adventure redesigns trickle out to the public until the mid to late 60's if I recall correctly - well after Karl had taken over the Sonic portion of the book.

 
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SONIC THE HEDGEHOG #201
"Change in Management": Sonic and his friends are ready to relax after the series-shaking events of #200, but their plans soon change with the explosive arrival of an old villain! A villain who brings grim tidings of a new threat that's claimed the world! Who are the new faces of evil? Will Sonic rise to the occasion, or will he be busy fighting a mystery guest star? "Devotion": Espio the Chameleon gets a visitor of his own, and news that will change his standing in the Chaotix forever!
SCRIPT: Ian Flynn
ART: Tracy Yardley!
Shipping Date: June 3rd, 2009
On Sale at Comic Specialty Shops: June 10th, 2009
On Sale on Newsstands: June 23rd, 2009
32-page, full color comic
$2.50 US

SONIC UNIVERSE #5

THE LATEST HIT SONIC SERIES RETURNS WITH THE BEGINNING OF AN EPIC
"MOBIUS: 30 YEARS LATER" TALE!: "Five Years of Peace": By popular demand, we're going back to the future! It's now thirty years down the line and King Sonic is on the throne. He has his hands full with the tiny royal twins, but fan-favorite Lara-Su is there to help. As the world prepares to celebrate the new royal family, a deadly plot is hatched from the shadows...and you'll never guess who shows up at the end! It's the action and adventure you've come to expect from "Mobius: 25 Years Later" tales...not to mention all your favorite good guys and bad guys! The future has never been more frantic...and it's up to Sonic to make sure it's infinite!
SCRIPT: Ian Flynn
ART: Tracy Yardley!
Shipping Date: June 17th, 2009
On Sale at Comic Specialty Shops: June 24th, 2009
On Sale on Newsstands: July 7th, 2009
32-page, full color comic
$2.50 US

 
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