I'm sorry tell you this Toby but ol Pachy can't be Enerjak because Pachy looked like he was about the same size as Big the Cat or even Storm from the Sonic Rider's vid game.
Granted, however, now it just feels like you're changing the subject at hand. What exactly does Sonic the Hedgehog not being Sonic X have to do with anything?
What Toby said. There's already been a Sonic Adventure adaptation in Archie, so the character exists there.
Alright, Samanfur, I concede. You're right, but I still don't have to be happy about it. Still, I'm not as upset by all the characters not getting to take on a super-powered bad guy as I am by the fact that nowadays Sonic takes on ALL the super-powered bad guys. I mean, A.D.A.M. totally struck me as a Tails villain, but did Turbo Tails duke it out with him? No, that job went to Super Sonic.
To put it bluntly, the last time anyone besides Sonic saved the planet from an armageddon-esque crisis was Titan Tails vs. Master Mogul, and I think that's just plain stupid. Even if they just had all the Freedom Fighters and Chaotix team up to take down a super villain without aid from Team Sonic or Shadow-very unlikely, but still sounds cool-it would be better than just having Sonic do everything.
Pachacamac would be an interesting choice for Enerjak, but just by looking at the #181 comic cover we can see discrepancies. The new Enerjak has shorter dreads than Pachacamac, he's thinner, and like someone said he's physically smaller. Not to mention that Pachacamac's fur coloring was more of a dark brown or red, while the new Enerjak has the same shade of bright red found among the members of the House of Edmund aka the Brotherhood of Guardians. Besides that, Pachacamac's been dead for about 3000 years-unless Archie wants to come up with some crazy survivial story.
Spectre: Next time use the edit button. You'll avoid double posting. I'm saying this because you haven't been editing any of your posts. Must we go through this all the time? >_>
EDIT: Sorry for the uh, snippy-ness.
Well you don't have to get all snippy. A little "please" would have been nice.
I'm trying to think of a way to put this more gently, but: I think that she was a bit nicer the first time she had to ask you...
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I mean, A.D.A.M. totally struck me as a Tails villain, but did Turbo Tails duke it out with him?
To be fair, though, we did see Tails take him on earlier, in the riddling contest. And that was something that Sonic wouldn't have had the wits for.
Unfortunately, Sega puts a lot of conditions on how often Sonic has to be in the comic and what he can be seen doing (or not).
Okay, I'll admit that you're right. Although, I would like to point out that the riddle game didn't really qualify as the kind of battle I'm talking about. Even if A.D.A.M. had caused Tails plane to crash, Tails could have gotten out. Besides, at that point, A.D.A.M. wasn't really much of a villain, just an underling.
As to Sega, I'm not too fond of them lately either. Is it too much to ask that they not kill the villain at the end of the game they're introduced in?
The majority hates those one time villains anyway, so I don't see what the point of them coming back would be.
Would'nt it be awesome if Black Doom came back for three more games??! 
Personally, I don't see why Sega has to kill them off at all. I mean, was it really necessary to get rid of Mephiles or Black Doom after only one game? It's the same stupid thing Sega's been pulling with good guy characters the whole time, except at least killing the bad guys gives them an excuse.
I understand your point Spectre. If Knuckles turns out to be Enerjak (and I'm holding my breath on that one), then okay, Sonic and Tails (maybe Shadow) taking him on is okay. I personally am expecting him to be Locke or someone else other than Knuckles, in which case I would want to see a Knuckles battle coming up, cuz as you said, Enerjak is a Knuckles, NOT a Sonic, villain. No way to change that. I'm starting to get worried about how this all plays out. I like the character of Knuckles and his story fascinates me to no end so they just better not screw this up and give Enerjak, whoever he may be, a story deserving of his name.
Well no matter what, If Knux is the new Enerjak, then it DOES turn into a Sonic "villain"-
it'll revive the friendly nemesis feud that we all missed, and with both Knux and Sonic older {Dun START with the Year in space crap} and mystically stronger {Knux moreso than Sonic, but of course Sonic's breaking limits again....} It's somethng ti give the readers a sense of balance between who has more power
I know we don't NEED it, but MAYBE--with some training by Dimitri..Knux will use his head and his power to do something different, and that would make the comic all the better.
Then again, it could be Wynmacher. HAYMAKER SMASH!
eh i still feel making that would be too much of a repeat of the green knux days, and there would be better ways to revive the feud people miss that doesn't involve craziness... hmm, UNLESS knuckles uses all this to turn the tables on finitivus. that would be alright
I highly doubt that Wynmacher is the new Enerjak. Maybe you're just joking, but that's the craziest idea ever. Except for tackling a Dingo, Wyn has done nothing even remotely impressive.
One of you guys'll probably get on my case about what Ian's said, but I don't care: Sonic shouldn't fight Enerjak. If Knuckles is the new Enerjak, then it would just be a reenactment of the tired old battle between the two of them-just to inform you, Darkest Light, some of us are happy that's gone. If he's not, then Enerjak is Knuckles' arch-nemesis and Knuckles has to take him on; you can't just give a guy a mortal enemy and then not have them fight it out to the end.
Personally, here's what I want to see happen if Knuckles is the new Enerjak: Sonic takes him on, only to get flattened after two seconds. With him out of commission, Tails or Shadow-or maybe someone new for once; did you get that Ian?-would be forced to step into the spotlight and save Mobius from destruction. Not only would it give someone besides Sonic the chance to shine in a doomsday-type scenario for the first time since Titan Tails, but it would also create an opportunity for Sonic and Sally to get back together-I know, I'm not supposed to talk about romance, but I'm gonna anyway-as she cares for him in his injured state.
Seriously, folks. Enerjak coming back is something all the Knuckles fans have been dying for. Like roach2003 says, he needs a story worthy of his name and stature as a villain. 'Nough said.
You're missing the point again, mate. This isn't a case of Ian sitting in front of his computer and cackling "lulz knuckles sux and sonic ROXORZ MY BOXORZ" - given free reign I'm sure the storyline would be Knuckles versus Enerjak, no questions. But you've got to remember that first and foremost, the Sonic comic is a promotional tool for Sega, and they need to approve everything that gets printed. The story is about Sonic and it's Sonic they're trying to promote, so they can't have stories where the hero twiddles his thumbs while a sidekick goes after the major villain (no matter what their history is); nor can they have stories where the hero is beaten down straight away and a secondary character comes in to save the day. This isn't Marvel, and Sega doesn't need to promote Shadow or Tails or Knux - so despite everyone's feelings about it, it's always gonna come down to being about Sonic.
Well, Sega happens to suck too. If they could give Shadow his own game, why can't they approve Archie giving some of the others heroes big saving the world deals? Sonic may be the mascot of the series, but Sega should have just stuck with him and Robotnik if they weren't going to let any of the other characters do anything but the grunt work.
I mean, just look at some of the more recent developments. In Sonic the Hedgehog Next Gen, Sonic gets temporarily killed, but is brought back ten minutes later because EVERYONE ELSE goes off and finds the Chaos Emeralds. Then in Archie #177, Sonic gets beaten (no pun intended) by Robotnik's Egg Beater, and is only saved because EVERYONE ELSE comes out and tag teams the robot that none of them can take alone because ARCHIE made them all PATHETIC!
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Then in Archie #177, Sonic gets beaten (no pun intended) by Robotnik's Egg Beater, and is only saved because EVERYONE ELSE comes out and tag teams the robot that none of them can take alone because ARCHIE made them all PATHETIC!
So... you're complaining that Sonic gets too much focus as the end-all hero while, at the same time, citing an example where he himself couldn't save the day single-handedly (and thus, in your own words, is pathetic). That doesn't make much sense. Besides, Bunnie single-handedly did more damage to the thing in one shot than Sonic did in his whole initial fight. Yep, pretty pathetic on her part.
Sonic is the title character; however, despite what you seem to think, that doesn't mean there's no room for a supporting cast. Sonic is a super-powered world-class hero; not every character can be up to that level. And despite that, other characters still hold their ground in their own capacity. Recently, we've seen stuff like Espio doing two solo missions, Rouge setting up a sting operation, Sally taking out Mammoth Mogul, Nicole saving pretty much everyone, Knuckles stopping Sonic's rampage, Lara-Su defeating King Shadow, Knuckles and Shadow defeating Snively in a giant mecha... Just because Sonic himself is integral to the series itself doesn't mean the other characters get totally shafted.
You don't know how things are going to play out, so complaining at this point (especially in such a mature manner as "So-and-so SUCKS") is silly.
And not to get off Target here, let's not forget back in the mid'90s most of the stories at one point were focused on Sally which spinned her off into her own 3-part series and the same happen with Tails.
So yes Sonic is the main mascot and hero for SEGA, but he isn't the ONLY hero in the comic.
"With him out of commission, Tails or Shadow-or maybe someone new for once"
well, with the way nicoles been of late *saving the mobian people, saving the city via energy shield, etc.* maybe nicole will be the one taking down enerjak!
NICOLE taking on Enerjak is an interesting idea.
Look guys, I'm sorry about complaining, but I get very opinionated about this sort of thing. My major bite with this whole deal is that lately the Freedom Fighters and Chaotix are only called upon in a group, not individually. While a number of the super-powered characters-Knuckles, Shadow, Tails, and Lara-Su-have gotten some action, I'm just upset that none of the ordinary guys have really gotten the chance to prove themselves capable of winning a one-on-one fight with anybody or anything more intelligent than an Egg Pawn, Dingo soldier, Dark Legionnaire, or other such lackey. I'm not asking for every Sonic the Hedgehog hero to be able to save the world by themself at least once; I'd just like to see them take down a villain by themself. Julie-Su fights Lien-Da, Sally fights Fiona-that sort of thing.
People here have come up with some good ideas as to who the new Enerjak might be. I could see it going any of serveal ways.
People here have come up with some good ideas as to who the new Enerjak might be. I could see it going any of serveal ways.
I still think it's Dr. F., the 181 cover is a way to throw people off, just my theroy though, take as you all will.
You know I think that maybe there will be more than one Enerjak. It would be something, if after Finny sent Locke on the Brotherhood goose chase, he had them all along and turned each of them into an Enerjak. This would also make sense that something of this magnitude would make Dimitri uneasy and end up telling Knux about it.
Why have we gone to such great lenghts as to figure out the new Enerjak? Are we THAT obbsessive of it? Why has it turned into a big deal?
Enerjak will be a mystery for a while, but I think it's strange how we MUST KNOW who the new identity is.
Heh, this is what happens around here ChaoRcute--yes, there are some around here extremely obsessive over it. There are others extremely obsessive over other things. Eventually, you get used to this stuff happening. The only thing that people get obsessive over that you won't see around here are the "romantic relationship" topics due to their illegality here.
I miss my days of being obsessive over story points though. 🙁
Yeah, I ain't that obsessive. I thought Enerjak was okay, but nothing to get bent outta of shape about. Though, it was a theory that popped into my head the other day while reading this thread; I don't remember the post that did it though.
Don't worry, True Red, maybe you'll regain that obsessiveness in time. Anyway, I have a new theory regarding the new Enerjak, which still goes along with the idea that he's Knuckles this time.
I think that Dimitri got second thoughts over becoming Enerjak again (sure, he may have had perpetual youth, but he was also insane) and contacted Knuckles asking for help. Knuckles would probably have gone by himself to avoid causing a ruckuss, thinking it was some minor thing. Arriving, he would have found Finitevus waiting for him, and the doc would probably reveal that he'd planned this the whole time.
Some evidence from the Return to Angel Island saga indicates that Finitevus possibly possesses hypnotic powrs. I think that he may have used them on Knuckles at one point, planting a trigger of some sort. When Knuckles shows up, Finitevus uses it, Knuckles is rendered helpless, and he then turns him into the new Enerjak. Dimitri's purpose could be twofold: Finitevus wanted him to unintentionally lure Knuckles in and be there so the memories of the original Enerjak could be extracted from him.
In regards to Finitevus or members of the Brotherhood being Enerjak-or Enerjaks-I have the following refutes. The cover of Sonic #181 shows an Enerjak with RED fur, which means that it can't be Finitevus, Spectre, Thunderhawk, or Sabre unless they underwent some weird color scheme change. Since turning red has never really signified any sort of transformation like Enerjak, I don't really think that this is the case-unless becoming Enerjak is the same sort of transformation that gave Spectre and Finitevus their unusual coloring in the first place.
Oh, how we forget Sojourner who is also red.
Yeah, but if I'm recalling correctly, he whines to much to be Enerjak.
I don't know about the whining, but none of the Brotherhood, including Knux, would want to be Enerjak, but if forced against their will...
Sojourner and Locke are both red, but neither of them seems to be a likely candidate. After all, if Finitevus is going to give the power of Enerjak to someone other than himself, then why would he pick someone who without Chaos powers is just an ordinary-if skilled in combat-Guardian? If he's as smart as Robotnik-and considering that he's beat Egghead's gizmos on several occasions, I'd say he's smarter-then he would pick someone whom only a few people could challenge and defeat even when he doesn't have Chaos powers-aka, Knuckles.
Uh, not sure where you get that Sojourner and Locke don't have Chaos powers but ALL and I mean all Guardians have a connection to the ME and thus derive Chaos powers from it. As a matter of fact, when Locke karate kicked a Dark Legionnaire, Spectre asked why he was vulgar to use a non-Chaos attack and Locke responded saying he felt better using a physical attack against them.
What I meant, FMR, is that if you took away Locke and Sojourner's Chaos attacks they'd have no special abilities. Knuckles, on the other hand, has super strength and a variety of other powers. Locke may be able to fight decently, and I'm sure Sojourner's not half bad, but Knuckles has those additional attributes-not to mention that, as a former living Chaos energy battery, he's less likely to suffer any truly negative effects from being transformed.
Remember Knux's powers also come from the genetic engineering Locke did to himself which enhanced Locke himself in power. Also, your not suffer any negative effects theory doesn't hold water in light that Dimitri himself never experience Chaos powers until he was transformed into Enerjak himself.
Also, if you're going with the whole becoming Enerjak going crazy point for a negative effect, then you fail to make a point as to why Knux would turn evil because that would surely be the negative side effect of insanity, know.
Point taken.
Ok, now that I'm back, I got a few bones to pick.
#1) About my post Spectre. I'm usually joking half the time I post something here -when its along the lines of Wynmacher being Energak, NO ONE's gonna take that seriously. But don't worry. we all know Energak's gonna be Mace.
Don't sleep on him, that rattle breaks faces. Knux couldn't handle it, you saw him break down in RTAI. WE AR DOOMEZ
#2) Speculation is speculation. In one sense, when you stated that not everyone wants the old continuing fight between Sonc and Knux back-this is very true. Not everyone does. What I was stating is that It COULD be a throwback to it.
Meaning in some lights it could be negative.
Oh, #3)...We never seen what color Spectre is. So it could be Spectre. {Confirmation on this fact. I know I've never seen his color.}
Also, don't forget Matthais. Though he might be a purely spiritual being, I'm pretty sure he could come back and try to help set things straight if he REALLY wanted to. Heck, Knux came back from death-why can't he? And I'm sure the rest of the Brotherhood have skills. I meant after umm..what was the one that got shot in the head? Aaron? One of Rembrant's kids..
{Wow I still remember this? XD TR's Echidna course really works!}
Well after he died, they made sure to intensify the training for guardians more than when Steppenwolf started. So I'm sure the rest of the Brotherhood are formidable. Heck, they have guns! Spectre is prolly like my dude in RE4...
Spectre: HEHEHE WELCOME! ::Opens robe, stacked with missiles and artillery::
Got some GOOD things on sale, STRANGER!
>> Ok I'm done ::Poof::
#4)Oh-umm Sonic died? When? Totally missed that, unless it was in Sonic X360 which I vowed never to play.
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We never seen what color Spectre is. So it could be Spectre.
Well, he was black in the Knuckles series--there's no other color anyone that read that series could think he was. However, Ken stated that Spectre is supposed to be red, but the "outfit" made it seemed like he's black. Spectre was red in Super Special #14 for a panel or two I believe and possibly one other issue.
So, whatever color they've decided to use for him--though I do think they've decided it is red. I prefer the black. 😉 Anyone want to ask Ian what he or Mike think on it?
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what was the one that got shot in the head? Aaron? One of Rembrant's kids..
I think you mean blown up with a missle--and yes it was Aaron. 😉 Edmund was the one that got shot.
Though, I can't say for sure, I seem to remember Ian saying that Spectre was to be black, but I could be wrong and I'm not saying Ian definitely said it just that I thought he did just to make sure I'm not accused of saying it's fact. Anyway, also, in the flashback of Tobor and his wife, there was a baby echidna, which more than likely was supposed to be a little Spectre and he was red.
Wasn't that flashback in all sepia though? XD No seriously; it was done in old colors, how could you tell red from that Rayzor?
But yeah, Spectre's color would be good to know. I'd prefer the black too. Shoot, Thunderhawk is purple (How does THAT work xD}, why not a black one.
Oh and yeah, he blew up with that missile.. I don't mean to laugh... but that was funny. XD
Yeah, it was in old colors, but "Baby Spectre" was pinkish so I don't think him being colored pink would mean he was black, at the time anyway, otherwise I think he would be a grayish color. Anyway, I do hope he is black as I think he would look so much cooler!^_^
Aww...darnit. This is what happens when my computer goes down for two weeks...I miss out on all the good preview discussion...and speculation. Now all I can do is sit back and wait...
In regards to Spectre's coloring, you all have to remember something: Spectre is not the same as he was when he was an infant. He now has blazing red eyes and has a cloud of smoke that wafts up around his feet wherever he goes. From what I've seen of his fur under that helmet, it looks black, and I sincerely hope that it is.
By the way, Darkest Light, I knew you were joking about Wynmacher, just like I know you're joking about Mace. In regards to your theory about Matthias, however, let me remind you that Matthias was the oldest living member of the Brotherhood while he was still alive. He lived a long, full life, and died fighting against the enemies who had so long threatened his family and people. Were he worthy to come back, as Knuckles was, you have to remember that Knuckles was given a choice-or at least I think he was. Anyway, Knuckles was only 16, so of course he wouldn't want to stay dead at that time. Mathias, however, had had more than enough, and wouldn't want to return because he knew his descendants could take care of themselves.
Besides, Archie really has no reason to bring him back, as the new Enerjak or otherwise. The only reappearance I could see him making would be for the death of one of the Brotherhood, guiding them to the afterlife just as Steppenwolf did for Hawking. Other than that, I think we've seen the last of old Mathias.
To my knowledge, Sonic hasn't died in the comics. There have been a number of close calls (too many for me to name even the ones I'm aware of) but he has never been truly dead, just thought to be.
Of course, as has been said, everything regarding the new Enerjak's identity is just speculation, and while we all have views as to who we'd like it to be, we're just going to have to wait for issue #181.
ok, maybe i'm just going out on a whim here, but could it be that the new enerjak isn't from the extended knuckles cast? that'd be very confusing even for readers who've been around since the beginning
You have an interesting point, hypershadow. Some visitors who have replied to this topic recall that Archimedes, Knuckles' Fire Ant friend, recognized the name Dimitri took in his madness as that of a legendary evil. Our friends suggest that this legendary evil may be the new Enerjak, brought forward by Dr. Finitevus. Of course, it could be that some totally new Echidna may be the new Enerjak-but it is highly unlikely.
i'm thinking that you didn't quite get the point. i'm not saying that i know ian or anything, but one thing that i've noticed about him is that he's not gonna make a story that's pointlessly confusing, which is what it would be if someone from the brotherhood was enerjak, or any of knux's extended family.
In regards to your theory about Matthias, however, let me remind you that Matthias was the oldest living member of the Brotherhood while he was still alive. He lived a long, full life, and died fighting against the enemies who had so long threatened his family and people. Were he worthy to come back, as Knuckles was, you have to remember that Knuckles was given a choice-or at least I think he was. Anyway, Knuckles was only 16, so of course he wouldn't want to stay dead at that time. Mathias, however, had had more than enough, and wouldn't want to return because he knew his descendants could take care of themselves.
Sure you not getting Matthais with Hawking?
'Cause it sounds like yer talking about Hawking, and I can understand how Matthais would have been the oldest too; when he was alive. But from the circumstance, and from what little we've seen of him, he's able to pop up here and there whenever he wants too.
DL, according to the info I've read on the Brotherhood, Mathias was Hawking's father, which makes him older than Hawking. Maybe Hawking just looked older because he took more risks and got beat up more; Hawking seems a lot like Knuckles, while Mathias seemed to have an Athair personality going.
Mathias may have been able to pop up wherever he wanted, but you have to remember: he's dead. Spectre sensed him, Hawking, and Tobor (though no one knew it at the time) dying, and if Mathias were going to come back he would probably have done it before now.
And by the way, hypershadow, how would it be pointlessly confusing? Finitevus captures or lures in someone, they become Enerjak, the whole thing is revealed, and we're done. For that matter, issue #181 itself includes a back story for how the new Enerjak came about.
i just think that the only logical echidna choices are dimitri, knux, finitevus or locke. i mean, those are the top 4 candidates, sure you could throw in remington, or even lien da, hell you could toss in julie-su. they've all been in the comic atleast in the last 3 years, i don't even remember the last time we saw the brotherhood.
hypershadow, you make a definite point. Personally, I don't think that the new Enerjak is a member of the Broterhood, nor do I think it's a girl (no offense to Julie and Lien-Da, the Enerjak on #181's cover just doesn't look feminine at all). Finitevus and Dimitri don't seem quite as likely to me, because I doubt that the Enerjak transformation would cause Finitevus' fur to change color and Dimitri doesn't seem like he'd be eager to reembrace the insanity. Locke's off in who knows where, so Knuckles seems the best choice to me-but again, this is all speculation.
