Toby actually brought this up (more along the lines of sparked the idea in my head) i think atleast 3 times on ian's run of the comic so far, he's used super forms correct? i'm willing to believe that that's the most that any writer has used them on the comic so far. (i don't have the specific numbers, i'm just going by memory.) at any point of these arcs did you feel that they were a deus ex machina? that seems to be the popular concept as far as the games go, enemy grows super strong and sonic calls out the zords in the form of chaos emeralds.
I don't really believe that is the case with the comics, Ian seems to use them frequently enough where as ken and karl didn't seem to use them much at all.i personally enjoy the super forms so long as there's a little variety as far as who's using them. so the question is, do you think that super forms are too much of a convenience to the characters/writers as a deus ex machina?
Well the last time we saw characters go super (Or even beyond that in Knux's case), it didn't really solve the issue at all. They just traded blows until Locke bailed Knux out. Someone would have to inform me about the other times Ian used super forms but as long as he keeps it to that case, I'm happy. I'd hate for going super to become an auto win button/deus ex machina.
3 times (If this is true) seems a wee bit too much...but how long has his run been?
#160 is when he started. now that i'm thinking about it, the only other time i can remember them using super forms is the tommy fight.granted scourge will be going super in a few months so 3 is still *sorta* right.
Well, A.D.A.M. did make Tails and Shadow go Turbo and Super, respectively, so Tails as the Chosen One could gather the emeralds and Shadow using Chaos Control could teleport them to him, or did Adam want Super Shads to send them to the Zone of Silence?
ADAM wanted the power of the Chaos Emeralds for himself. It was Turbo Tails's idea (destiny?) to send them into the Zone of Silence for their safety and the safety of the world. While there, Faust merged all the Chaos Emeralds into single units, thusly creating the seven Chaos Emeralds we all know and love.
Well so far we've had...
Super Sonic - Sonic #4 (Gallagher); Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles (Gallagher); Sonic #56 (Taylor); Sonic #84 (Bollers); Sonic #126 (Lee); Sonic #168-169 (Flynn); Sonic #183-184 (Flynn), Sonic #193 (Flynn); Sonic X #29 (Yardley!)
Ultra Sonic - Sonic #66 (Bollers)
Turbo Tails - Sonic #56 (Taylor); Sonic #95-97 (Penders); Sonic #114 (Lee); Sonic #168-169 (Flynn)
Hyper Tails - Sonic #66 (Bollers)
Hyper Knuckles - Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles (Gallagher); Sonic #56 (Taylor); Sonic #141 (Bollers)
Super Shadow - Sonic #124 (Bollers); Sonic #168-#169 (Flynn)
Super Scourge - Sonic #196 (Flynn)
I think that's all. So, so far we have Karl Bollers using 5 super forms; Ken Penders using 1; Kent Taylor using 2; Benny Lee using 2; Mike Gallagher using 3; Tracey Yardley! using 1; and Ian Flynn using 6. Ian and Karl have used about the same amount, but Karl's first use of a Super form was in #66 and his last in #141, a good six years in between - we'll call it once per year. Ian's first use was in #168-169 and the most recent will be in #196, which is only just over two years. So yeah, I'd say Ian seems to be using the super forms quite a bit more (not that this is a bad thing.)
Excuse me, where is Titan Tails?
Don't know and don't want to.
Well so far we've had...
Super Sonic - Sonic #4 (Gallagher); Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles (Gallagher); Sonic #56 (Taylor); Sonic #84 (Bollers); Sonic #125 (Lee); Sonic #168-169 (Flynn); Sonic #183-184 (Flynn), Sonic X #29 (Yardley!)
Ultra Sonic - Sonic #66 (Bollers)
Turbo Tails - Sonic #56 (Taylor); Sonic #95-97 (Penders); Sonic #114 (Lee); Sonic #168-169 (Flynn)
Hyper Tails - Sonic #66 (Bollers)
Hyper Knuckles - Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles (Gallagher); Sonic #56 (Taylor); Sonic #141 (Bollers)
Super Shadow - Sonic #124 (Bollers); Sonic #168-#169 (Flynn)
Super Scourge - Sonic #196 (Flynn)I think that's all. So, so far we have Karl Bollers using 5 super forms; Ken Penders using 1; Kent Taylor using 2; Benny Lee using 2; Mike Gallagher using 3; Tracey Yardley! using 1; and Ian Flynn using 5. Ian and Karl have used the same amount, but Karl's first use of a Super form was in #66 and his last in #141, a good six years in between - we'll call it once per year. Ian's first use was in #168-169 and the most recent will be in #196, which is only just over two years. So yeah, I'd say Ian seems to be using the super forms quite a bit more (not that this is a bad thing.)
thanks for the list. what do you think of the question?
Well so far we've had...
Super Sonic - Sonic #4 (Gallagher); Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles (Gallagher); Sonic #56 (Taylor); Sonic #84 (Bollers); Sonic #125 (Lee); Sonic #168-169 (Flynn); Sonic #183-184 (Flynn), Sonic X #29 (Yardley!)
Ultra Sonic - Sonic #66 (Bollers)
Turbo Tails - Sonic #56 (Taylor); Sonic #95-97 (Penders); Sonic #114 (Lee); Sonic #168-169 (Flynn)
Hyper Tails - Sonic #66 (Bollers)
Hyper Knuckles - Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles (Gallagher); Sonic #56 (Taylor); Sonic #141 (Bollers)
Super Shadow - Sonic #124 (Bollers); Sonic #168-#169 (Flynn)
Super Scourge - Sonic #196 (Flynn)I think that's all. So, so far we have Karl Bollers using 5 super forms; Ken Penders using 1; Kent Taylor using 2; Benny Lee using 2; Mike Gallagher using 3; Tracey Yardley! using 1; and Ian Flynn using 5. Ian and Karl have used the same amount, but Karl's first use of a Super form was in #66 and his last in #141, a good six years in between - we'll call it once per year. Ian's first use was in #168-169 and the most recent will be in #196, which is only just over two years. So yeah, I'd say Ian seems to be using the super forms quite a bit more (not that this is a bad thing.)
Actually, Benny Lee was just a pen name for Karl Bollers, so technically Bollers has used a Super form 7 times. Also, you forgot # 126 which also had the evil Super Sonic coming out of Sonic, so that adds one more (making it 8 ) for Bollers.
I think he meant 126 instead of 125, considering Super Sonic isn't in 125.
I think he meant 126 instead of 125, considering Super Sonic isn't in 125.
Oh yeah, you're right. Sorry about the mistake.
Oh yeah, oops. *edits*
Also did we ever get confirmation that Bollers = Lee? The only thing I remember about it is Ken Penders trying to reveal it as some sort of trump card when he was having his hissy fit about M25YL being canon.
It's been fairly well established that Bollers and Lee are one and the same. I think Bollers confirmed it himself, but I don't have a source at the moment. I think he admitted it after Ken called him out on it (as a trump card, much like MattManiac said). As to the true identity of the mysterious "Many Hands" however... this is still a mystery as far as I know.
I feel as though Super Forms should be used sparingly, but they shouldn't be cut out of the comic completely. Once every couple of years seems appropriate to me. And when they show up, it should generally be for a major event, and when they show up it should have major plot ramifications.
I feel as though Super Forms should be used sparingly, but they shouldn't be cut out of the comic completely. Once every couple of years seems appropriate to me. And when they show up, it should generally be for a major event, and when they show up it should have major plot ramifications.
This. Lately, the super form appearances have been feeling much closer together. 126, 141, 169, 184, 196. So it's about every 20 issues. But it just feels like the sort of thing that should be used more sparingly, like every 50 issues or more. Or is that too long? *Wanders off to ponder*
Once every 50 doesn't seem to crazy. I'd personally go around every 40-45 but 50 isn't too bad. Plot shaking events shouldn't be...THAT often, right?
Well, to be fair, Super Sonic appears at least once every game -- often times even in spin-off games like Sonic Riders Sega Super Star Tennis. I think that you could make the argument that Sonic doesn't go super often enough in the comics to reflect the games. Obviously, Super Sonic should be in every issue. 
Once every 50 doesn't seem to crazy. I'd personally go around every 40-45 but 50 isn't too bad. Plot shaking events shouldn't be...THAT often, right?
that doesn't seem that bad to me, but personally i'd like think that 25 would be too little. all in all i'm sure i'm fine with it if it was written well enough.
I forgot that Super Sonic was in #193, too. *re-edits*
I'd say that the whole Super thing does seem a bit overdone. I'm particularly miffed at the misuse of a number of rather impressive super forms possessed by Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. First, we have Sonic's Ultra Sonic form and its variations: Solar, Eco, and Polar. We saw Ultra twice, the first being in an awesome battle against Ixis Naugus, but after that his last appearance was him running around Mobius to try and stop the destruction of Knothole. The three variations were in the same scenario, and we never got to see what they could really do. I mean, sure you could guess, but I want to see them in action!
Next, there's Tails. Now, I'm rather neutral about Titan Tails-kinda creepy, but I don't all out hate it. I am ticked, however, that Hyper Tails only got one appearance, when it clearly had such potential.
Lastly, we have good ol' Knuckles. Now, I don't mind the absence of his Hyper/Super form, as I know people like to poke fun at the fact that it's pink and I personally find it rather demeaning. What I'd like to see more of, though, is Chaos Knuckles. That guy was perhaps the most awesome heroic Super form (at least in my opinion) ever, and yet he hasn't been seen since Knuckles' death experience. Sure, I know Knuckles couldn't really control that form, but if he reaccessed his Chaos powers they wouldn't be overloaded thanks to Gala-Na (psychopathic control freak) and he'd be able to handle himself. Come on, can't we see him go up against Finitevus or something?
Given how the Enerjak arc ended, Knuckles doesn't really need a super form to smack Finitevus around.
Not that I wouldn't want to SEE Chaos Knuckles smack Doc Fin around, but that's not the point.
In any case, he may still very well be Chaos Knuckles now that he has his reconnection to the Master Emerald. It's just that Aurora informed him that, yes, he can retain his Rad Red form even with that much power.
I Hope We Get to See Super Shadow & Hyper Knuckles in 09.....I wonder if Fini could go super...That would be AWSOME!!!!!
(p.s. Fear the Jolliness of THe Shadow/Maria CHristmas Avatar...MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!)
