What if Sega, instead of making the two-thousandth new Sonic character in thier videogames, actually used one of Archies established characters? Which one would you pick?
Me, I think the choice can only be between these two characters.
Bunnie Rabbot - She can offer a different style of gameplay than other Sonic characters thanks to her jet boots and super strength. She'd have the ability to fly, hover, fight and smash through objects.
Mina the Mongoose - She's almost just as fast as Sonic there would play simular to him, would provide competition for Amy, and already has that SegaSonic look to her.
Did I leave anyone out who would have good gameplay abilities?
I have to admit shadow that sounds really cool espically since I've always wanted her in sonic games over amy and cream and cheese.
Hmm, I guess Geoffrey would be the best fit. He's athletic but not super-fast, has a flirtatious and brash personality that would annoy the other charas and provide potential good comic moments, and as for attacks he could always spray opponents and stun them into submission.
you all said good guys but what about villians? what would be a good villian from archie? for me it would be ixis naugus and his magic powers instead of fighting robots all the time
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Anyway... I dunno, maybe Sally? Sure, you'd have to HEAVILY rewrite her backstory, since there's no Mobius to be royalty of (though being royalty of an Earth country could work), and give her some extra clothes since Sonic Team's not particularly for the "mostly naked except boots and vest" deal, but otherwise, it might work out. She wouldn't play very much like Sonic, since she's not that fast, but she can hack into things with Nicole to work things to her advantage. Heck, we could even have Nicole's recent furry form in a kind of MegaMan Battle Network-esque kind of deal, where she'll log in to the computers and have to deal with whatever she bumps into on there. It could be an interesting change of pace... or at least, she could make an interesting NPC.
I don't really see Sally as a good Sega Sonic character. She really can't do that much, and Nichole usually does all the work being a "sentiant computer life form." Plus Blaze the cat Already fills the spot of a monarch in the games, even if she is from an alternate reality. She doesn't really have any cool abilities, but maybe they could do something with the source of all the the sword of acorns? That might be interesting. 
And while I agree that Mina would make a good candidate because she's already got Sega Sonic written all over her looks, character, personality and powers/abilities, such characters are overdone in the games. Even Amy can move fast if she wants to (Sonic heroes anyone?)
Needless to say, if they didn't have Blaze I'd go with Hershey, just because she's a cool butt-kicking cat-girl and cats rock! I also think Mogul would make for an interesting sega-Sonic villian, who'd give Eggman a run for his money. Though I'm not sure how he'd work, because there are only 7 chaos emeralds and one master emerald, and he'd need the one chaos emerald to stay alive that long.
Unless they made him from an alt reality like Blaze. (I still say he's got quite a bit of potential, but super powered villians are kinda cliche. I think archie could've handled him better too but YOU KNOW..back on topic)
*shrugs* There's always Julie-su, I did like her but mostly because of Lara-su. But echidna technology simply doesn't exist, so I don't know how the heck they'd script someone like Julie-su into it when the echidnas were destroyed ages ago in the ancient civilization.
Hmmmm...
Well...I think Bunnie would make a good candidate. With the NEW look and stuff. (YES I PREFER THE NEW LOOK SHUT UP 
) She's got all those cool cybernetics and stuff, she can fly, she can shoot things, I mean, there's robots in the game, but no cyborgs. Instead of robotization maybe she could be one of Eggman's experiments gone wrong.
New look as in the bionic UPGRADE, right? Not the cowgirl hat and coat, right???
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Mau,sally could use her fighting skills just as hershey could,the difference between the two is that the comic has shown sally fight a lot more than hershey (I like the kick she does to knuckles in the mecha madness bthw)so sally can do everything that hershey can do and more (nicole).in sonic heros amy was only moving fast compared to the rest of her team.
...and last I checked, Blaze ain't no monarch.
I could've sworn that it was just saying that Blaze was the GUARDIAN of the Sol EMERALDS?...
Sonic pairs up with royalty - Queen, Blaze the Cat - from another dimension to save the universe from utter destruction.
^_^
so her entire dimension is a monarchy?
Possibly. Or it could just be she is queen of a small area in her dimension (Sorta like how here on Earth there are some countries that are monarchies and some that aren't).
Ok... first of all, the freedom fighters, Nagus, Nate Morgan, etc all were created by DiC. Archie just used them.... >.> Anyway, I think Sally would be an awesome character for the games! =D Someone who isn't a SOnic clone, is smart, and not a stereotype female, like Amy, Cream, and ROuge, no offence to Amy, Cream, and Rouge fans. I like SH's idea of how she'd work.Maybe Lupe and the wolf pack too... since there's nothing that'd mess up the continuity. Just a tribe of wolves.
-Mega
Personally, I like this design and story of Sally myself.
....Who, me? Er, why did you think I did it....? >__>
Actually, that's a wicked cool idea, Cooki. ^_~
Someone should make that into a full-fledged story ^^
...well, if Blaze can be a "queen from another dimension", why couldnt Sally be the same,only a princess instead...
"hi im Sally, im a princess from another Sonicverse"
And who said anything about Sally being from another dimension, anyway? I know I didn't. Besides, it'd be best to keep the Sonic universe as simple as physically possible - ie, as few dimensions as we can.
well, they COULD theoretically use everyone.
of course they would have to kind of do a Crisis on infinite earths thing to the games... like i said Theoretically of course.
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...well, if Blaze can be a "queen from another dimension", why couldnt Sally be the same,only a princess instead...
You could do that, but that would be as interesting as having the alternate versions of characters invading the "main universe" in Archie. Personally, I get sick of that and despise it. I rather see if you can make a character fit in the universe itself. In all honesty, it's usually not that difficult because the fact that say Sally is a princess is not (nor should it be) what defines her as a character. It's her intelligence and personality that do that. I find the other things less important. That's why I always believed the only knock against any echidna character in the games is the fact that Knuckles is the last one, which makes every echidna character basically a "no-no" to me unless something plausible is done to change that.
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I rather see if you can make a character fit in the universe itself. In all honesty, it's usually not that difficult because the fact that say Sally is a princess is not (nor should it be) what defines her as a character. It's her intelligence and personality that do that. I find the other things less important.
She isn't that smart. Roter's the genius, and that part is played by Tails in the games. Nichole usually does all the work for Sally. Any of the other freedom fighters could kick her butt easily.
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You could do that, but that would be as interesting as having the alternate versions of characters invading the "main universe" in Archie. Personally, I get sick of that and despise it.
It is over done in the archie universe. But I am quite curious how the SegaSonic Universe will handle such a concept.
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She isn't that smart. Roter's the genius, and that part is played by Tails in the games. Nichole usually does all the work for Sally.
Rotor is the technical smart guy who creates things. Of course, being able to create things is NOT the only qualification for being smart. Sally is plenty smart since she (besides Tails) is the only one who ever understands him. Sally also understands the technical language of various branches of science that even Rotor doesn't understand. ;p Nicole does calculations that no one (not even Rotor) can do, which some people who are totally ignorant as to the differences between the capabilities of computers versus people mistake for Nicole replacing Sally's brain power. Nicole does some things without Sally's say-so, but most of what Nicole does comes from Sally telling her to do it first. Knowing what to do and when to do it is also a form of intelligence. Sally is also the one who comes up with plans, makes decisions, etc. You don't have to like Sally, but to continue to say that she's not smarter than most everyone in the Archie comic is ridiculous.
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Any of the other freedom fighters could kick her butt easily.
That's why Sally keeps kicking Knuckles' butt, which none of the others, save possibly Sonic, can do. Sally is only at a major disadvantage with Sonic, Tails, and Bunnie, but she might be able to out-smart them and of course there's always the terrain/situation to consider. Any of the others, she can take on extremely easily. You're forgetting that she's always held her own in a fight in Archie.
You tend to miss a lot of things about Sally (such as the fact that Sally has never been anything but kind to Mina) when you decide to go on your mini-"Sally can't do much" rantings.
That's why I always believed the only knock against any echidna character in the games is the fact that Knuckles is the last one, which makes every echidna character basically a "no-no" to me unless something plausible is done to change that.
It's pretty funny you mentioned that. Ive spent a good one or two years trying to think of ways to fit the echidnas into the SegaSonic world without "cheapening it" and I managed to come up with the "future timeline" which basically composes many echidnas coming from the future, possibly as Knuckles' descendents. It's the only excuse that I can put Remington into the story (who got here via time travel which is another story altogether). 
Although, granted, the echidnas are merely only limited to the Dark Legions in my story and I made it so that they don't stay in Sonic's time and eventually return because I don't like the idea of the DL staying. It'll ruin SegaSonic's Knuckles' image as the only echidna. It's still in works, but it's what I got. Man, do I feel geeky? 
~Neo
mau,I agree with red sally even held her own against sonic back in 28 when the rest were getting knocked around.hershey as far as I can remember never won a single fight or even landed a single blow against an opponent.remember when she tried to kick mecha.she got knocked aside with no effort.the only real harm she has done to any character was to drago and even that wasn't much(she hit him with a rock lol . sally is smart which has been proven more times than i can count and she is a natural leader.who do you think probably came up with ways to take down robotnik.thats one of the reasons why robotnik tried to kill her in the comic.that and framing sonic.two birds one stone.Do you even read the comic?
.I'm guessing no or that you do but you have and anti-sally thing going like red said and you have an obsession with trying to glorify cat characters.what you said is like saying sonic hates adventure and chilidogs.
I disgress. I am obsessed with cats. And I wasn't happy that Archie portrayed the feline nation as this tribal, brutal, barbaric nation, which is nothing like I imagined. Then of course, I came up with a way to integrate Blaze the Cat into the comics myself AND create a much more interesting feline nation that has existed since Mobians first walked the earth, these kittens have used the chaos emeralds to protect the cat country long before fire ants knew how to channel their energies. It is because of these cats that the cat country has survived the onslaught by chaos millions of years ago. They live sort of like the elves in LOTR, except their life spans have been extended by the use of the chaos emeralds, not because they're...elves. This is just a little sneak preview of my version of M:25YL storyline...but anyway back on topic...
I like Sally a lot more than I used to. I suppose that isn't saying much. She has strong willpower and is a good leader. She's also pushy, bossy and the worst part is, she can do what she wants because she's the princess! (Within reason, OBVIOUSLY if King Acorn told her to do something....she couldn't do it..but that's besides the point. ) Personally, all I've seen of Sally is the bossy, pushy, damsel in distress, who has a talking laptop and as far as I'm concerned, that's where she gets her "so called intelligence." I have read the comics, in more recent issues many of the characters have been ooc...I will admit I havn't gotten many issues over the past couple years and get most of my information here, but accusing me of never even picking up a single Sonic comic? That greatly offends me.
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the only real harm she has done to any character was to drago and even that wasn't much(she hit him with a rock lol
Have you ever read Sonic 50 the director's Cut?
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That's why Sally keeps kicking Knuckles' butt, which none of the others, save possibly Sonic, can do. Sally is only at a major disadvantage with Sonic, Tails, and Bunnie, but she might be able to out-smart them and of course there's always the terrain/situation to consider. Any of the others, she can take on extremely easily. You're forgetting that she's always held her own in a fight in Archie
That's only because Knuckles is a Knucklehead and probably doesn't like hitting girls anyway.
It's pretty funny you mentioned that. Ive spent a good one or two years trying to think of ways to fit the echidnas into the SegaSonic world without "cheapening it" and I managed to come up with the "future timeline" which basically composes many echidnas coming from the future, possibly as Knuckles' descendents.
Neo, why does it have to be the future? Why can't it be from the past? I mean there is no real rule against seeing or playing character's in the past, right?
you can take offense if you want but it doesn't change the fact the every thing you brought up was knocked down concerning sally and hershey. yes I have 50 directers cut and that changes nothing in my opinion of how she fights.I put hersheys fighting skills on the same level as ray the sqirrels.As for knuckles,you saying he is a knucklehead and probably doesnt fight girl
I admit i almost laughted out loud.could you make a more ridicolous excuse.I was tempted to put something else about the that comment but I'll take the high road.red has already told you and so have i as for sally's intellegence goes which is shown back to the very beginnning so you should have read those since they came back more than a couple years ago she may have seem pushy to others but her plans were very good all she basically need nicole to do was minor things.MEANING she knew what to do.dont get me started on hersheys intellegence or bad choices for that matter(drago).personally sometimes reading other forums I think that some people just have to choice a character to hate for some strange reason.my friend is like that on some characters over minor things such as they being pushy,loud mouthed,or can't fight well,etc. I say this to all those people-who are you to judge? Are you a perfect example of a perfect human? I don't think so.
I remember trying to come up with a way to fit the echidnas in the SegaSonic world without cheeping it. My version was based on the time when Knuckles met the Dark Legion and Julie-Su in the comics, only there's no Echidnapolis (For one, seeing the history in SA, it'll be impossible, and two, I never liked Echidnapolis and all that stuff. Dark Legion and Julie-Su is my limit.)
Just like the comics, Knux and the Chaotix finds the Dark Legion appearing out of nowhere, trying to take over Angel Island. They go to their base and destroy it, then after they escape, Julie-Su follows them and joins them.
But unlike the comics, they find out that Julie-Su and some of the echidnas in the Dark Legion are clones, created by Dr. Zachery who leads the Dark Legion (The cyborg echidna villian from the Fleetway comics.). Not only did he created armies of echidna robots, but also a group of cloned echidnas, like Kragok, Lien-Da, and Julie-Su, using DNA from ancient echidna, especially Tikal's.
After defeating the Dark Legion, 'for good', Knux decided to use their cloning machine to rebuild the echidna race, bringing much hope for the guardian (And if that doesn't work ,he and Julie-Su could always...uh...you know.). But it was too late when they found out that the Dark Legion was really trying to awaken their 'god', Dimitri. The god was awaken and probably destroyed the Dark Legion in his path (Haven't figured out if he destroys them, or that if the clones have a unstable genetic makeup that will break down.). But Super Knuckles brings Dimitri down...
...but with a price.
Before that, Julie-Su dies while trying to protect Knuckles. In the end, Knuckles is once again last of the echidnas. Sad tale...
Anywise, sorry for that long story, but as for the rest of the cast...
I think Sally would be a good idea. She might have to have her backstory heavily rewritten, but I do agree that Sally is defined as a character with intelligence (In some ways.), and personality. Though if you want her to be a princess, say she's a former princess of some hidden kingdom that got destroyed, and now she's trying to move on. Or simply she's a mayor's daughter. Though I do like that science assisant idea Papirini pointed out (Though I do NOT like that design.). Gives more purpose to Nicole. I like Shadow Hog's idea of Nicole's recent furry form in a Rockman EXE esque thing.
Sally could have great agility and gymnastics moves, she can jump on walls upwards (Basically, almost like a female Mario...don't mock that.) And she'll have some martial art moves, but she ain't that strong. There be some parts of her level where she has to use Nicole to hack into Eggman's computer's to open doors or deactivate powerful robots (Or use her to unlock shortcuts and secret rooms). Nicole could scale around cyber space, flying around, shooting thunder bolts or something (I don't know.). Along the way, you can find different programs in the cyber levels. Programs Sally can use to control certain kinds of robots.
Bunnie is a nice idea as well, though she would be like a clone Knuckles. Mina would be cool also, but I do agree of the idea of having too many Sonic clones.
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She's also pushy, bossy
How many leaders do you know that AREN'T pushy or bossy?
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That's only because Knuckles is a Knucklehead and probably doesn't like hitting girls anyway.
That's why he nearly took off Sally's head in retaliation when they were 5 and she beat him. ;p
Personality wise I think Mina would make a good character. What if her abilities were focused more on her singing voice? I kind of imagined her being a dancer from Ragnarok Online. She doesn't have to have superspeed. Maybe she could have it, but include the fact that she can't control it very well. If Eggman hates her singing voice so much, maybe she could have that voice of hers tear through robots or summon rings to herself...or if you had a team thing like heroes..to her party members.
....and I'm still not convinced Sally would make a good character. She's not a cat!!! If they turned Sally into a cat then MAYBE. But the thing is she doesn't have any cool super powers or anything. Borring.
and I'll reply to those statements about Sally later. Right now I'm just too lazy.
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How many leaders do you know that AREN'T pushy or bossy?
Look. Don't question me. I just don't like bossy authority figures.
But Mina's not a cat either ^_~
Neo, why does it have to be the future? Why can't it be from the past? I mean there is no real rule against seeing or playing character's in the past, right?
There's no rule that I can't use the future either.
In truth, the DL are a very futuristic, so it makes sense. Granted, I could probably do something along the lines of ancient technology the echidnas had that was beyond what it is now in Sonic's present time, but I feel the future fits more appriorate for the DLs.
Like I said, I don't wanna cheap out Knuckles, so the future is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY far in time (I set it about a 1000) from Sonic's present and I also don't bother mentioning who Knuckles ends up with romantically, heck, I don't think I'll fully emphasize it either.
~Neo
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But Mina's not a cat either ^_~
Hey, Mongooses and Ferrets are the next best thing. Besides, Mina gets extra points for her super speed and super singing ability.
Look, if you want to have Blaze properly introduced to the Archie series then why not make her the princess of the mysterious cat country? Maybe they aren't all quite as savage as we think and Blaze could be sent as an emmissary to the Kingdom of Acorn to ask for help if Robotnik decided to invade and set up a new base like on Angel Island. As for Hershey, she's really has more of an espionage role since she is a spy and isn't exactly cut out for all out combat. Basically, she's as good as I expected her to be with what she does. Now Sally is Sally plain and simple. I say let Archie do its job with defining who she really is with her strenghts and weaknesses and if you don't like it then send them a letter. Now as for the Fleetway series, well I have never seen it in stores and from the little I've seen of it on this site, I can't say I'm all that impressed. There's a certain element missing from it; an insubstantial and intangible I-don't-know-what. Regardless, I plan to stay as far away from it as possible.
While I appreciate your comments and criticism I kind of like the storyline I have now for how to introduce Blaze. Besides, there's enough characters in the present storyline as it is. That's why I decided to put her into my M:25YL with a minor role instead.
And Hershey's definatly cut out for combat. I honestly don't think that she could've kicked dracos butt all over the place in #50 Director's Cut if she couldn't. And yes it does go into more detail about how she kicked his butt. She may not be much of a fighter, but you mess with her innermost feelings, and she's a forced to be reconed with. And I've seen Sally's strengths and weaknesses. She can fight, she's got a talking computer...but I havn't really seen her do much other than boss Sonic and the others around. I also think that she only beat Knuckles at the time because Knuckles again, wasn't using his head. Either that or he didn't learn how to fight properly until later on, and I'm assuming his father taught him.
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I also think that she only beat Knuckles at the time because Knuckles again, wasn't using his head.
Then why did Knuckles say she was the only one who could get him back in Mecha Madness when she beat him a second time? 😉
She beat him a second time? When was this?
Bah. Ok fine. I just don't think Sally would fit into the Sega Sonic universe very well. *flinch* x.o
Let's just wait on debating Sally here. Yeah she isn't prime material for a videogame charcter in my opinion, but I have this nagging feeling back in my mind that Archie is going to go somewhere with her current attitude(and NO, there is no way I will agree with anyone who thinks that is Anti-Sally right now). In regards to Hershey, I meant her type of fighting suits a spy better like in the Splinter Cell games; she's more the kind to do a judo chop across the back of the neck than drive someone's face through a wall. And her beating the crap out of Drago? You're right. She did that because he broke her heart. Don't you know what they say about a woman scorned?
There hath no fury like woman scorned. Yep.
I quite agree with you. But I think it'd be interesting if they put Hershey in there AS a spy. I mean they put shooting and hunting for emeralds in the games, why not a spy level where you run hide and take out Eggman's robots?
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why not a spy level where you run hide and take out Eggman's robots?
Some of the Chaotix's levels of Heroes pretty much involve Espio doing just that. =P
Yeah but Hershey doesn't need to turn invisable to do that.
There's no rule that I can't use the future either.
Touchee, anyway got to thank you for getting me to think about this anyway. Personally if any of the echidnas were allowed to exist, I would only go with Dimitri/Enejak. The way I see it, he would be dead and be existing like Tikal (a formless spirit) after somehow imprinting he his heart and mind to one of the emeralds ("chaos is power, power enrich by the heart"). He would be a kind of trickster-character who could only really interact with the world by prossessing and jumping from host bodies, trying to find a real body to harness and control his own great power. I'm not sure exactly what direction to take this weather to go power hungry or just some poor, selfish ******* trying to get his life back after wasting it being a guardian, a life of suffering, betrayal, and bloodshed/no reward (AREN'T THEY ALL :P) and Knuckles having to find peace for him (HE SO NICE :P)
As for another character, I chose Bunnie. Her past is relatively unknown anyway so it would be easy adapt her. The only thing to figure out is where here robotic limbs came from and also redesign her. Her gameplay would be both power and speed based. Her speed based power would have her jumping/hooping around ala Hulk/ninja/Vectorman. I know the last part is cliche especially with Bunnie being a rabbit but come onnnnnnnnnn... who can resist the whole high flying, jumping over a tall building in a single bound ninja/Superman action.
Touchee, anyway got to thank you for getting me to think about this anyway. Personally if any of the echidnas were allowed to exist, I would only go with Dimitri/Enejak. The way I see it, he would be dead and be existing like Tikal (a formless spirit) after somehow imprinting he his heart and mind to one of the emeralds ("chaos is power, power enrich by the heart"). He would be a kind of trickster-character who could only really interact with the world by prossessing and jumping from host bodies, trying to find a real body to harness and control his own great power.
You're welcome. It's funny, but there was a time I thought of Dimitri/Enerjak's use in the SegaSonic verse, not as the DL's great grandpa so many times removed, but rather as an echidna from the past. His clothes remained me greatly of egyptian wear, so I made him an egyptian villain. Thanks to you, maybe I'll incorprate Dimitri back in again. Heh.
I also placed Jeremiah in the SegaSonic verse, only because he was such an underused Archie Sonic character and I really liked him, so I placed him in a role (he's not a main character, but he's important, nonetheless).
~Neo
This only further proves he's underused, but who's Jeremiah? The only one I can think of is the grandson of Kirby, the guy who wrote stories about Mobius from the Days of Fury to the end of the Great War with the overlanders.
This only further proves he's underused, but who's Jeremiah? The only one I can think of is the grandson of Kirby, the guy who wrote stories about Mobius from the Days of Fury to the end of the Great War with the overlanders.
That's the one. I know it's pretty strange to people that I'm using him, but like I said, I like him a lot.
~Neo
Getting back on topic, I'd really like to see Bunnie in a video game (Just get Christine Cavenaugh to do her voice!
)I feel that it's about time the "Rad Rabbot" gets some game time, and like a bunch of others have mentioned, the cybernetic aspect of the game would make a great plot.
I was also thinking (just an idea, mind you
) what about Fionna? She seems to be really smart and all, so maybe she could handle puzzle based missions, stealth (though a bit overused at this point), etc.
What do you think guys? Good, bad, or stupid idea?
I would put Nate Morgan but not as a playable character. But I realy would like to see Nate in a game
You know I could see Nate and/or Jeremiah as a info giver. Maybe you're in a level and Nate could maybe give you scientific tips about the level and then Jeremiah could give you historic tips like maybe talk about legends that could lead you to a level up or something. That could prove helpful.
though I wouldn't want her as a playable character I would like to see dulcy in a cameo appearance on the ps3 game.
LOLno. If there are to be ANY Archie characters appearing in the games, I wouldn't want it to be that one, no sirree. The series has undergone ENOUGH overusage of characters, just having ONE game that might be a return to form would be nice. No cameos. No Archie characters. No extra baggage characters nobody remembers. No Shadow, no guns, no GUN, no Chris, no Chaotix, maybe not even Tails and Knux (doubt it, though). Just Sonic vs. Eggman, like it should be.
