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I find something very interesting about your comparison here. Particularily, it only accounts for the rapist and the embryo. I'm left to assume the rape victim doesn't factor into your view.
No, it is a rather oversimplified views of my thoughts. Before Roe v. Wade, there were already laws to allow abortion in the case of danger to life of the mother; I don't know if there were exceptions for rape.
For public policy purposes, it would be very difficult to convince people that abortion should not be allowed in cases of rape. Given the emotional and physical agony involved in such an event, it wouldn't even be feasible.
Morally, I don't like the idea of an unborn child being eliminated even though he is innocent of any crime. Realistically? Very very murky.
Morally, I don't like the idea of an unborn child being eliminated even though he is innocent of any crime. Realistically? Very very murky.
HAHA! It's an embryo! It doesn't have a gender! SEE!!! I'M A CLEVER MARBLE GARDEN USER AND CAN PICK APART QUOTES WHICH ARE IRRELEVANT TO YOUR POINT! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! *Dances and spins on head*
Your arguement is flawed because you allowed someone to reply to a quote with a condtradiction. TRY AGAIN!
And technically, gender is determined from conception. XX, XY, that sort of thing.
Sense of humour. Get one. For all our sakes.
Especially seeings as I wasn't jabbing at you.
I know. I was just being consistent. 😛
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And technically, gender is determined from conception. XX, XY, that sort of thing.
Yeah. That's why men have nipples. The radio told me.
Carry on.
*walks slowly out of the topic.*
~Nytloc Penumbral Lightkeeper
Sex is determined from conception, although I believe the number is 1 out of 1000 for babies born sexually ambiguous. That isn't to necessarily say there is reproductive organ confusion, but that genetically there's a possibility you may be born XXY or YYX.
Gender is a related to cultural acceptance or your own personal decisions. Sex and gender are not interchangable terms.
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I don't know if there were exceptions for rape
There were not, and although there were legal exceptions for the health of the mother, they were often not recognized by local abortion providers.
I work at Feminist Majority Foundation and we've been working on a campaign as of late called "I Had An Abortion". It's a collection of personal stories and signatures from women who have had abortions both before Roe v. Wade and in the more recent present.
www.msmagazine.com/fall20...anarmy.asp
www.msmagazine.com/fall20...ionmag.asp
I'm not expecting these links to be a point of debate, I just think it's helpful to read personal experiences in order to illuminate the reality of these situations. They aren't just statistics.
brain activity can be detected at 6 days
That doesn't mean the embryo is thinking. The fact that something has detectable "brain activity" does not in fact mean it is a person nor does it imbue it with the rights of a person.
Unless you give an essay's worth of evidence, you can just tell it's going to be dismissed, even if it does make logical sense to the rest of us, Cyc.
Not that I'm telling you you need to, I'm just trying to be a prophet.
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The fact that something has detectable "brain activity" does not in fact mean it is a person nor does it imbue it with the rights of a person.
Does that mean people with PVS aren't actually people?
*Laughs* You'd find most pro-choice people are also pro-euthanasia. South Park did a wonderful job satarising the persistance of people to keep "vegetables" alive when they are dead to the world.
Heaven is not allowed to have a Keanu Reeves!
whawhawhat?! Craig, why, why, how dare you satirize such a meaningful discuss that's never been discussed on these forums before!
PS: I like those links Astrid, I'm gonna throw these my sister's way, may help. *bow*
Does that mean people with PVS aren't actually people?
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Imbuing a fetus with all the rights of a person is akin to keeping a brain-dead woman on life support for twenty years for the sake of "erring on the side of life".
What I'm saying is, they were people, but now they're dead
And as I said earlier;
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There are documented cases where people who been in a coma for years have come back. For all intents and purposes, they were brain-dead (or in a vegetative state, if you want to be technical; people who are truly brain dead are in a condition of irreversible death. People in a vegetative state? Not so much). Do they stop being human?
You speak of people who are truly dead and are incapable of coming back. I'm speaking of people who are merely in a vegetative state, from which they have a chance of coming back.
Like Terri Schiavo 
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So you want to spend millions of dollars keeping PVS alive in the case that maybe one out of a thousand wakes up while people commonly die in other countries, or even in rich countres if they're poor, of things like starvation and common treatable diseases? I'm not saying you said that, but it seems implied. Generally the people who decide whether to keep a PVS person alive are the guardians, you know, sort of like abortion.
On the pro-choice pro-euthanasia corellation, I find it quite mentally hilarious that most (not every) person who is against abortion and euthanasia is also for private-only health care, war, the death penalty, and low standards of living for the poor, then go around calling Democrats the party of death.
