As I've said over and over and over again Swift, it depends on the circumstances involved.
As I've said over and over and over again Swift, it depends on the circumstances involved.
You realise this is an over the counter drug, right? One which aborts a potential life? Which doesn't require your circumstance to be taken into account?
As I've said over and over and over again Swift, it depends on the circumstances involved.
But you just said that life begins at conception.
btw, calling me "cute" isn't funny when you're not actually gay.
You've said Abortion isnt bad in certain circumstances, like rape or if giving birth is likely to kill the mother...
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Do you count the mornign after pill the same as abortion, or do you require less strenous circumstances...
Do you think the Morning After Pill is murder or not...
Forgive me if YOU think you've answered, but I've been reading from the start and I can only remember you dodging the question and stating "Circumstances, circumstances."
Not EVERYTHING is grey, some things are just black and white you know. Either its wrong and should be avoided if it's possible, or its not.
If its gray then you err on the side of freedom.
EDIT: Happy? Damn foreigners always making disgracing remarks about other countries. DIE COMMIE!!!
I like PiE.
UBERLOLZ. We proclaim you the new King of the Universe.
In the case of rape or forced intercourse (while a woman is intoxicated and a man takes advantage of her inability to make rational decisions), I don't mind if a contraceptive is used.
In other cases...no. I don't think contraceptives SHOULD be used. After all, it was the advent of 'safe sex' (condoms, morning after pill, and what-not) that led to a rise in sex amongst teens who think that their birth-control methods will keep them from enduring any consequences, when it's simply an illusion. Sexual intercourse is a a life-changing experience that HAS consequences, and it's somewhat sad to see it diminished to a state of 'do it whenever you want and as much as you want' (which, ironically, isn't what you would call safe sex).
That's my stance. Call me traditional if you will. But after all, sexual intercourse is a part of parenthood that leads to childbirth, and the main purpose of parenthood is to sacrifice for the child so he/she can one day grow into an adult as well. Contraceptives only reduce the magnitude of it all...and, I presume, cheapen it. After all, what's the point of sex if you keep doing it again and again and again? It probably gets dull after awhile.
Then again, I am a virgin, so I don't know what I'll feel during sex. But either way, it won't be until my (future) wife and I are ready to bear a child.
The morning after pill and The Pill are two different things. It's not a contraceptive. Stop calling it that.
You take the (morning after) pill and it flushes a fertallised egg out of your body by tricking the body into having a period WHILE the fertallised egg is in your system. In your logic of "life begins at conception" this is murder, is it not?
It doesn't matter either way, as I've already given the situations where it would be permissable (the same as an abortion). The only circumstance of abortion that doesn't apply to the morning after pill would be 'risk to a mother's health' (for obvious reasons).
I disagree. I think it DOES matter, greatly. Because you're not bothered of the existance of a pill which "murders" a potential life is being sold over the counter without any form of permissions required.
Thusly, your apathy suggests that you don't care about a life in such an early stage and my previous point about life beggining when the brain is formed still stands.
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Apathy? What are you talking about?
Rape. Forced intercourse. Only circumstances in which a morning after pill could be permissable. Otherwise, no way.
Rape. Forced intercourse. Danger to a mother's health. Only circumstances in which an abortion could be permissable. Otherwise, no way.
I've said this several times already. Do I have to say it again?
Ultra. What are you suggesting? That any form of contraceptive, wether it before or after sex only be permissable in criminal acts of forced sex?
That's my viewpoint, yes.
And? So I happen to think that sex's primary purpose is for conceiving a child.
WAIT. BEFORE YOU RAPE ME...
PUT ON THIS CONDOM.
(The Trojan Man eats babies!)
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That's my viewpoint, yes.
And? So I happen to think that sex's primary purpose is for conceiving a child.
When your wife wants to get intimate with you in the bedroom "just because", I bet thats gonna be one heck of a hoot of a night.
Intimacy is fine. But unless we intend to conceive another child, no penetration on my part. I will cuddle though.
... And I thought us English were meant to be traditional. 
Your not anti Abortion (well you are, and you obviously DO think abortions are bad and immoral... But thats just a handle onto a much larger gripe) you're anti sex...
Not anti-sex as in you believe Sex is a bad thing but your against it being overused and deraded and demoralised. That's perfectly reasonable, and thinking about things from that point of view I can lead forwards to see how your other arguments have merit...
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Fair enough, the only problem is, I've said it before and I'll say it again, it wouldn't work. I remember watching a program by Germaine Greer (one of the UK's most prominent feminists) who did a history of inequality. She concluded that it wasn't until women could have sex without fear of bearing children that women in the UK had equality, she considers it the greatest triumph of the modern world, the ultimate expression of freedom. That and the fact they got the vote...
Dolphins have sex for pleasure, so do humans.
But, as far as I know, their the ONLY two species who do.
It's all rather sad really
What abotu other methods of sex, Ultra?
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What abotu other methods of sex, Ultra?
Like...what?
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Um ... like ... oral sex ... and anal sex ...
And nose sex.
Oral sex: Ick.
Anal sex: Double triple ick.
Suffice it to say, those really don't qualify as sex at all, as it's not really proper sexual intercourse. But seriously. Ew.
And nose sex?
Dude, that's just wrong. What are you going to say next? Ear sex? o.o
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Dolphins have sex for pleasure
HEATHEN HELLBOUND SINNERS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oral sex: Ick.
Don't knock it till you try it brother.
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Anal sex: Double triple ick.
Actually - I cant imagine myself scooping the pooper. I don't care how much I like the girl. Thats just a thing I probably wont ever do.
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Suffice it to say, those really don't qualify as sex at all, as it's not really proper sexual intercourse.
Some would beg to differ.
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And nose sex?
Dude, that's just wrong. What are you going to say next? Ear sex? o.o
Yeah Acrio. Thats just stupid.
Besides. How can you have Nose sex and Ear Sex without Eye Sex and Throat Sex? I swear sometimes you people just don't think.
EDIT: Hey Ultra. Wanna cuddle? 
*sneezes*
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What are you going to say next? Ear sex? o.o
Never heard of hearing aids?
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What are you going to say next? Ear sex? o.o
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Never heard of hearing aids?
BOO!!!!!!! BAD PUN!!!!!!!!! 
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Don't knock it till you try it brother.
Actually, the thought of someone's mouth on my organ sounds very unappealing. So I don't think I will try it.
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Hey Ultra. Wanna cuddle?
No thanks, I don't cuddle with teddy bears anymore. 
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Oral sex: Ick.
Fellatio or cunnilingus?
Both.
If I remember my Richard Attenborough correctly, Bonobos use sex as a way of maintaining peace within the community. Whenever there's a potential argument, the whole group start an orgy - regardless of age/gender. Not sure if that qualifies as sex for pleasure, but is certainly an interesting philosophy... 
I sure hope they take showers afterward.
They have abortions instead!
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If I remember my Richard Attenborough correctly, Bonobos use sex as a way of maintaining peace within the community. Whenever there's a potential argument, the whole group start an orgy - regardless of age/gender.
I read that while drinking a cup of ice water and I literally spit all over the monitor screen in laughter. 
EDIT: CAN YOU IMAGINE THEM DOING THAT ON CAPITOL HILL?! OMGSONASTY!
Without ever having oral sex you can assume that it is icky? It's boys like you that make girls turn to lesbianism. 
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CAN YOU IMAGINE THEM DOING THAT ON CAPITOL HILL?! OMGSONASTY!
oh god
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Without ever having oral sex you can assume that it is icky?
That's kind of like saying 'How can you assume dog feces is icky unless you eat it?'.
You put your mouth on an orifice where urine comes out. I think 'icky' does apply.
And just out of curiosity, how does not wanting someone to suck on your privates turn girls to become lesbians? o.O?
You know a vagina is not where urination occurs, correct?
My pro-life stance alone qualifies me as someone who takes away women's rights in your eyes (not exactly sure how)
Well, yeah. You do. Sorry. Even if it's not a personal hate, its a distant contempt shown by the assumption that outright bans of any sort are needed. Your support of those laws means you don't think women can or will think through the same issues you did. You flat out think they aren't smart enough to make their own decisions on this issue, and what's more, you assume that they'll gravitate to the worst possible one unless given a "strong guiding hand". The sheer arrogance of this is mind-boggling. You are not all that and a box of crackers, my friend.
That's kind of like saying 'How can you assume dog feces is icky unless you eat it?'.
I don't know whether to point out the numerous flaws in your argument or to just feel sorry at how sexually repressed you are. I guess next you'll be telling us that masturbation is akin to wading through a dumpster.
I mean, yeah, if that dog feces were attached to my abdomen and contained a cluster of nerve endings that create an extreme sense of euphoria when fondled, then yes, I'd like someone, preferably an obscenely attractive girl, to put their mouth on it. That's the whole damn point of a blow job -- it's to make the person on the receiving end feel really good. It's not supposed to be pretty.
Well, he does like his crackers. *snerk*
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That's kind of like saying 'How can you assume dog feces is icky unless you eat it?'.
I don't know whether to point out the numerous flaws in your argument or to just feel sorry at how sexually repressed you are. I guess next you'll be telling us that masturbation is akin to wading through a dumpster.
So Ultra - does masturbation count as abortion because - after all you are expelling your genetic material through one of your sexual orifices - and after all that IS a sexual act. Granted it ain't reachin' any eggs (unless you're one of those weirdos with a fetish who gets off on chickens) but thats a WHOLE LOTTA Knucklebabies to be spurting out wildly at random without any proper aim all over the place, dontcha think?
And this is where we find out Ultra is not a man.
*snicker*
Can we at least try to keep the meaningless posts at a minimum here?
Are you kidding? Half the FORUM is meanless posts.
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Well, yeah. You do. Sorry. Even if it's not a personal hate, its a distant contempt shown by the assumption that outright bans of any sort are needed. Your support of those laws means you don't think women can or will think through the same issues you did. You flat out think they aren't smart enough to make their own decisions on this issue, and what's more, you assume that they'll gravitate to the worst possible one unless given a "strong guiding hand". The sheer arrogance of this is mind-boggling. You are not all that and a box of crackers, my friend.
I think the fact that 45,000,000 babies have been aborted since Roe v. Wade speaks for itself.
But hey, like Jimro said: better education will go a long way towards improving things.
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I don't know whether to point out the numerous flaws in your argument or to just feel sorry at how sexually repressed you are.
Hey, nothing wrong with being a virgin. Or preferring to not have any sexual contact until I'm married. I don't have a problem with it. At least this way, when it's my first time, it'll be special (like it's supposed to be).
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That's the whole damn point of a blow job -- it's to make the person on the receiving end feel really good. It's not supposed to be pretty.
And if you'll be so kind, I'd like to skip it. Good day to you.
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So Ultra - does masturbation count as abortion because - after all you are expelling your genetic material through one of your sexual orifices - and after all that IS a sexual act. Granted it ain't reachin' any eggs (unless you're one of those weirdos with a fetish who gets off on chickens) but thats a WHOLE LOTTA Knucklebabies to be spurting out wildly at random without any proper aim all over the place, dontcha think?
Emphasis mine. I think that explains it. Sperm alone does not a child make.
Although personally, I don't masturbate.
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And this is where we find out Ultra is not a man.
I assume you mean my lack of sexual contact of any kind with any girl.
If you don't mind my saying so, a guy having sex for the first time does not a man make.
Wasn't refering to that. You being a panzy is what I was refering to Ultra.
He means you have boobies. :3
And I think Cyke's point was that you can't really give anything views on sex if you haven't had it. He wasn't refering to you wanting your first hayride to special.
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You being a panzy is what I was refering to Ultra.
How nice. Even though all you know about me is derived from posts on a message board.
