How you represent yourself on a board is how you are interpeted.
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How nice. Even though all you know about me is derived from posts on a message board.
And WHAT a NICE derivative it IS!!!!
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How you represent yourself on a board is how you are interpeted.
Point taken.
Although I am curious as to what makes me a 'pansy', as you put it. Mind explaining?
At least this way, when it's my first time, it'll be special (like it's supposed to be).
What, is there going to be a John Williams score with a thirty-piece orchestra?
We can't be forgettin' Marvin Gaye now...
Oh boy, how fun I do when I explain my self. I believe its the fact that you are like a Housewife in a Japanese Resteraunt for the first time. The waiter asks; "Do you want Tampura", the Housewife disgusted thinking it is cats and dogs says no. Thats it in simple terms. How can one who had not engaged in something call it disgusting, I believe you have to try something before you do not like it. I for one would be open for such a adventurous task. Regular, Oral, Anal- it is all raw animalistic pleasure on either end. It makes you happy. Being a panzy is this. You call something icky for you do not want to try it. You call it icky when you haven't even engaged in some instances. Hell from what I've read you don't even pleasure your own self. This all makes you a panzy.
XD
Funny Cycle.
But seriously, by a special first time, I'm saying it not just about me, but as a whole. A sexual relationship is serious and has long-lasting consequences; if it's going to be with anyone, the first time (and beyond) will be with the woman I'm married to.
But still, funny response.
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Regular, Oral, Anal- it is all raw animalistic pleasure on either end. It makes you happy. Being a panzy is this. You call something icky for you do not want to try it. You call it icky when you haven't even engaged in some instances. Hell from what I've read you don't even pleasure your own self. This all makes you a panzy.
Some people feel happy when they take drugs. Some people feel happy when murdering someone. Some people feel happy feeling pain.
Not to compare sex with murder, but I'm only illustrating a point. Just because something makes you happy doesn't make it right.
Oral sex involves placing your mouth on another person's private parts (and in some cases, the ingestion of semen and vaginal fluids). Anal sex involves a man ramming his penis up another person's butt. Do I need to explain WHY I call it icky?
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How can one who had not engaged in something call it disgusting, I believe you have to try something before you do not like it. I for one would be open for such a adventurous task.
There's a bit of a difference between trying something new (say, bungee-jumping) that's adventurous, and trying something new that's detrimental to your health (bungee-jumping without a bungee cord).
Talk dirty to me, Ultra. :3
(writes 'poppycock' on the wall)
That count?
He wants more that that. Rico is feeling it tonight...
Ultra your a damn dumbass to say it bluntly.
I could say something nasty, but Id rather not get banned. So I'll say this.
Some people feel happy when they take drugs. Some people feel happy when murdering someone. Some people feel happy feeling pain. Not to compare sex with murder, but I'm only illustrating a point. Just because something makes you happy doesn't make it right.
Everyone feels happy when they have consentual sex.
There's a bit of a difference between trying something new (say, bungee-jumping) that's adventurous, and trying something new that's detrimental to your health (bungee-jumping without a bungee cord).
Okay, so now oral is bad for you.
W -- no, hold on a second.
Wow.
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Okay, so now oral is bad for you.
I'd call the ingestion of someone's ejaculations unhealthy. So yeah. Ever heard of gonorrhea, herpes, hepatitis, or HIV (among other STDs?)?
I just hope whoever gives you a 'blow job' doesn't have an open sore or a cut in their mouth at the time.
And Mike, please explain why you call me a hypocrite.
Ok, Ultra. Here's the bottom line, it's all well and good you're as frigid as an iceberg on lake placid. I can appreciate that, fear and shame of sex is not an uncommon thing, even with non-religious types.
But be aware of this, we're animals. We have animal magnatism regulated by pheremones and horemones in our body and in the air which we have no control over whatsoever. The problem lies within the fact that there are enough humans spread out now for us to be intoxicated with the scent of ovulating females or fertile men. It's what spurs our sexual impulses.
You have every right to try and fight them and ignore them. No one can fault you for this, though I do warn that fighting against you own body like that is not exactly a healthy thing to do.
Point is though, sex is something which happens, in a world where almost everyone's parents had sex (artificial insemination excluded), even if we're raised to see it tabboo, as a whole or as an act which should only be used for childbearing or what have you, we know that everyone does it. It's in our DNA, it's one of the 7 things which ALL living things must do, reproduce. Wether your body is ejecting a wad during your late night fantasies, against your will, or you're relieving stress by removing the frustration piling up upon your sexual needs being unfulfilled, people have no control over the fact that it will happen.
Thusly, the majority of the people, wether they reversed in religion or not (only catholics seem to have a problem with unprotected sex and even then it doesn't say not to have it as often as they please) will have and they will enjoy sex.
Point being, in an over-crowded world where in certain countries it's a crime to have more than 2 children, where charity organisations are struggling to bring condoms to the third world where it will help lower the rate of population growth to increase the chances of support. In that world, would you really like to ban contraceptive for all, besides those with criminal intent?
I appreciate you think sex is bad. I'm not even going to try and argue that. I'm a sexually repressed frigid excuse for a man too, I have no issue admitting that, but I know that sex is something which is written into us, and I know that our world can't support the rate of growth if contraceptive weren't available. We're already draining resources too fast, we already have overcrowded places with homeless, jobless, underpaid and poverty stricken.
Adding an uncountable number to that will end up being the end of civillisation. Ignore sex for a moment and just imagine that for a second. Petrol, coal... all fossil fuels would be depleted much faster and some of them are within a single generation of being gone for good, global warming would pick up, farming wouldn't be able to support the population explosion, we wouldn't have enough. We'd run out of food, power, jobs, shelter, space.
You propose this, because you're afraid of sex?
Ultra, there's a time when you should act upon the things which offend and upset you, and there's a time to realise that you're being anti-social and should just keep your thoughts to yourself. Just be cautious, ok. Conciously you may despise it, fear it or whatever is causing you to stray away, but your body still requires it almost as much as it needs food. People end up hating themselves because they "lose" to the body in cases like this. It's natural, it may not be how they do it on the Discovery channel, but I can guaran-damn-tee you that jumping onto Miss. So-And-So's back and riding her like a 50cent helicopter at Wal-Mart is NOT a social act 
just don't assume it's degrading yourself if you "give in" to weakness. It'll be a liberating feeling when you realise that your body needs to let go of the tension, and holding it for 30 years is probably not the best of ideas.
Afterall. We can't all be catholics.
Amen Craig, Amen.
Oh and why I called you a hypocrit?
Read your post.
I'd call the ingestion of someone's ejaculations unhealthy. So yeah.
God damn it, Ultra.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_sex#Health_issues
Semen contains water, small amounts of salt, protein, zinc, and fructose sugar. It is slightly alkaline which causes some to find the taste bitter or brackish, but neither male nor female sexual bodily fluids are in themselves harmful to a sexual partner, apart from concerns of STDs.
So yeah.
Ever heard of gonorrhea, herpes, hepatitis, or HIV (among other STDs?)?
If anything, you're less likely to get an STD from oral sex than you are with vaginal intercourse. And besides, how does the mere existence of STDs make oral sex dangerous compared to vaginal sex?
Well, at least we've made progress past the "icky" part. Now we're onto Chapter Three, Idiodic Misconceptions About STDs.
Technically, I'm not a Catholic.
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I appreciate you think sex is bad.
Only oral and anal sex, as they don't have a practical purpose like regular intercourse (procreation).
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Petrol, coal... all fossil fuels would be depleted much faster and some of them are within a single generation of being gone for good, global warming would pick up, farming wouldn't be able to support the population explosion, we wouldn't have enough. We'd run out of food, power, jobs, shelter, space.
You propose this, because you're afraid of sex?
Still have no idea how saying oral and anal sex is unhealthy = fear of sex. o.o
As for your comments on the world itself...
I personally believe that the world is a tough beast that can survive a lot of tough situations (heck, a volcanic eruption a la Mount St. Helens spews out more greenhouse gases than all of America's coal plants produce in a year). I'm just an optimistic person who thinks that this world is not on the verge of decline; even if we do run out of conventional oil, we'll be on different fuel sources by then. Heck, we might even be colonizing on the Moon. Who knows what tomorrow brings. All I can say is that I think things can and WILL get better.
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Read your post.
Still not seeing it.
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If anything, you're less likely to get an STD from oral sex than you are with vaginal intercourse. And besides, how does the mere existence of STDs make oral sex dangerous compared to vaginal sex?
Aside from one's personal enjoyment, what practical purpose does oral sex serve? When you balance the pros and the cons, you may not be as much at risk to contract an STD with oral sex as you are with regular sexual intercourse, but sexual intercourse serves one VERY important function: reproduction.
Regular sex = Higher risk of an STD and Procreation
Oral sex = Risk of an STD and personal enjoyment
I'll take regular sex for 500 Cyke.
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Only oral and anal sex, as they don't have a practical purpose like regular intercourse (procreation).
I'll remember that next time I'm doing anything without a practical purpose. 😀 What is a practical purpose, really? Who says we all want to have children? The world doesn't even need more children. The world needs LESS children. We have to stop growing, not growing more.
what happens if the couple in question has never had another partner? the threat of STDs is massively lowered then.
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Oral sex involves placing your mouth on another person's private parts (and in some cases, the ingestion of semen and vaginal fluids).
Delicious!
Ultra, what are your feelings on fingering, handjobs and dry humping?
Regular sex = Higher risk of an STD and Procreation
Oral sex = Risk of an STD and personal enjoyment
Hand sex = Risk of friction burn and personal enjoyment
Hmm. I think I'll ditch this topic after this post, it's becoming rediculous. But if one can support "wisely spending money" on abstinence-based sex ed, yet NOT support "throwing money at the problem" of said sex ed, isn't that hypocritical in itself?
Oh wait no, Democrats are NEVER hypocritical. And democrats NEVER change sides if they think it'll get more votes. Oh no, THAT has never happened.
Psh, think about a post BEFORE you post it.
Man, what?
They're grasping at straws now. It's like a political debate. Man where the *expletive haXXOred by Sam* is Jimro? He'd be loving this. Ultra's against the fence and just openly ignoring all points. Save him Jimmy Jim Jimmy, you're his only hope. XD
They're grasping at straws now.
No but I mean he's not even making sense anymore. Education? Democrats? Votes? What the hell, man?
Jimro's smart, he abandoned ship before the thread even got started. I figure I probably wasted about an hour and a half of my day off yesterday on this crap thread, when I could've been playing Source or something.
Ah, now come on, you had as much fun as I did and you know it. Besides its not the people on Source are any better.
I find it's best to find a really awesome server that's on most of the time, where most of the players are regulars to that particular server, and the ping is like 20ms, and to just play there exclusively. Seattle Alpha-Kilo (209.247.83.40:27015) is one such server.
Cool it down. Mike in particular. I'm seeing too many shots here.
I'll try, Vec.
It's all this sex talk. It's making everyone excited. :3
Since I made this discovery for the purposes of a thread in another forum, I figured I'd post it here.
For your average kid, the abstinence messages fail every time and in fact they tend to get pregnant more than others or at least at the same rate (First example of the miserable failure of abstinence only education and a second example from texas). Why? Because they don't bother in using contraceptives. Now, previous studies on parental consent laws have indicated that the numbers of abortions decrease but births remain the same. The reason for this is simple, teens tend to choose to use more contraceptives and are more careful.
Okay. This flappin' (Did I just say flappin'?) dictionary stuff is a load of rubbish. I know it's from a dozen pages back, but I want the liberals (and everyone!) to stop using Webster's to proove a point.
Stop worshipping the dictionary. Just because it says something in there doesn't mean you instantly win. And posting that, and only that, makes me go -NYTLOC SMASH.-
My example in point?
Main Entry: disease
Pronunciation: di-'zEz
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English disese, from Middle French desaise, from des- dis- + aise ease
1 obsolete : TROUBLE
2 : a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning : SICKNESS, MALADY
3 : a harmful development (as in a social institution)
- diseased /-'zEzd/ adjective
[sarcasm] Ya know what the sexual organs were made for? Sure hope so. Impaired normal functioning would mean that homosexuality is a disease. And because it's in the dictionary it must be true! [/sarcasm]
And it's not just here. I've met this thing all over the boards, ever since I stopped being Gaming-Forum and South Island-exclusive. Stop it, all of you. It's childish rubbish.
And now, back on-topic.
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Since I made this discovery for the purposes of a thread in another forum, I figured I'd post it here.
For your average kid, the abstinence messages fail every time and in fact they tend to get pregnant more than others or at least at the same rate (First example of the miserable failure of abstinence only education and a second example from texas). Why? Because they don't bother in using contraceptives. Now, previous studies on parental consent laws have indicated that the numbers of abortions decrease but births remain the same. The reason for this is simple, teens tend to choose to use more contraceptives and are more careful.
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It's called rebellion, Cyc. Contraceptives (adds to list of new words) or otherwise, if proclaiming abstinence INCREASES the blasted teen birth rate, you know something if farked up in these children's heads.
Trust me. I would know. There's currently a pregnant fifth grader at my school, and my science teacher knows of someone known as the 'eighteen year old grandma.' She had a child at age nine, who had a child at age nine.
I question what causes this? (No forebodence, I'm honestly curious.)
Oh. And you can expect to find me around here more often. I've recently realized I don't know nearly enough about these kind of things as I need to, and my grand new outlook on life is sure to cause quite a buzz. ^_^
~Nytloc Penumbral Lightkeeper
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Ya know what the sexual organs were made for? Sure hope so. Impaired normal functioning would mean that homosexuality is a disease. And because it's in the dictionary it must be true!
Your example doesn't deal with impaired normal functioning unless homosexuality means that sperm/eggs can't be produced or a person can't have sex with the opposite sex. 😉 Homosexuality just means being attracted to the same sex just as heterosexuality means being attracted to the opposite sex, bisexuality means being attracted to both, and asexuality means being attracted to no one.
You may not like having a dictionary used, but it helps when making a point.
It's good thing you added "and everyone" because there are a lot of people here who use the dictionary when it's helpful to explain a point--and they probably wouldn't liked to be called "liberals" (and most people wouldn't call them liberals based on their point of views either).
That post was instantly negated in my mind due to the poster firing off the word liberal as a vulgar term. Well that and assuming only "liberals" use dictionary quotes. Spitting out blanket statements like that just makes you look like you're talking out of your ass.
Ok, well, so Cycle fires off that teaching kids to not have sex failed in comparison to teaching them about safe sex. And your reply is... It's called Rebellion.
I'm going to assume you mean teaching no sex fails because kids do the opposite of what they are told. While thats true on some level for most teenages, I doubt it being the cause in this instance. Humans, just like all animals, are driven to reproduce by hormones, and at no time are hormones more active than "puberty" years. For different people this is different. I know friends of mine that hit it at 8, and I know Friends that didn't fully hit it till 23.
So a 9 year old bumping uglies due to hormones? Very possible, they'd have to have hit puberty in order to HAVE a baby.
And my sympathies on wandering into this cesspool. Get ready to wish you'd never come here.
~Rico
I would like to point out that dictionaries are important so that both parties in a discussion know exactly what the other party means. Many words have multiple definitions as well as regional colloquialisms. Saying what you mean, precisely, helps true discussion.
And I'm a conservative, and I use the dictionary quite a bit, so it is neither a liberal nor a conservative trait. Simply a good practice so that communication really takes place, instead of random, "OMG, WTF? I can't believe you believe that! YOU are SO GTH!"
I prefer a more logical approach to making a point.
Jimro
Aboartion.
heres how to fix it: you are not allowed to have children until the age of 21. if you do, you will be forced to get a hysterectomy or vasectomy, hereby teaching you a lesson youll never forget.
If you have a child, it will be born. you will stop acting like a selfish brat and raise the child to be the best it can be. no deadbeat parrents allowed.
too bad thats all my own oppinions...
but i dont favor aboartion. life is a gift, treasure it and make it as good as you can make it. It's really not that hard to raise a kid... you just need to stop being selfish. Kinda hard for people to give up nowadays.
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really not that hard to raise a kid...
Wait till you try it. Tommish was hard enough and that was just trying to be a good role model, the only "parenting" I was involved with was some sticky teenage situations. I can't imagine actually trying to raise a kid 0 to 18. Then you add in the monetary costs and it it really gets hectic.
No, raising kids isn't a walk in the park. Anyone that tells you that is probably the reason for people blaming everything from video games to the sun for their kids turning out bad.
I already argued my points here, no point in repeating them.
~Rico
I have to disagree with you, Fexus, children can be very difficult to raise and don't think something as important as child rearing should be taken so lightly. At the same time, I don't think abortions should be legal.
A child, even if still in the womb has tremendous potential for so many things. Some of our greatest thinkers grew up in destitute homes, desperate times, and abusive parents. Just because a child may not have a life of ease doesn't mean they should be aborted. I think suffering is just as much a part of the human experience as is pleasure, love, hatred, etc. Denying a child this just because they were conceived by the wrong people is wholly unfair. My girlfriend (of three plus years) whom I love dearly was born to very unsavory parents, fortunately, the doctors talked her biological parents into putting her up for adoption and as a result she has risen to be a very productive member of society (I won't go into depth into some of the amazing things she has accomplished at risk of sounding too gushy).
Same story with my Grandpa, who circulated around in the Polish orphanages for the majority of his life before managing to make it to the States.
Same thing with my cousin, who was adopted into the family from a very very unsavory couple. To this day he is still my favorite cousin.
None of these people near and dear to me would be here today if their biological parents had been left to do what they had intended to. One of our nations greatest presidents, Abe Lincoln was born into misery and lived most of his life in total torture yet look at his tremendous gifts to our nation and society.
There so many simpler alternatives to abortion, from abstinence and birth control to adoption at birth. Children change our lives.
I've seen the birth of a child become a catalyst of positive change for the most hardened thug I knew.
There's just something amazing about the miracle of birth, as a society we have no right to scramble a fetus with a wire hanger or suck out baby brains with a straw. There's always a better way.
Those are nice stories. But if you read the rest of the thread, you can see that those are rarities in state institutions.
~Rico
Depends on the state you live in. It's a common outlook to think orphanges are horrible, neglectful places, but its a rumor that should be put to rest. And even if orphanges were as wretched as this thread makes them sound, it's still a better alternative to death.
There are two answers here. One is that the life that ends is one that isn't sentient. Much like a parasite or a cow. If we say it isn't up to the host/life giver to end the life then that decision can be used to say it's not up to the farmer to end the life of his cows.
Then second is that neither of us know what each and every orphange and foster home is like. I know I've had sad few experiences with any good ones. Three of my friends in high school either had foster parents or their parents fostered other children. You may have dealt with better places, and luckier children. But to say you should bring a child into this world no matter what and just let the system raise them is a pretty naive ideal. My best friend was born when his mother was 15. It was only by chance that she decided at the last minute not to have an abortion.
But I wouldn't wish his fate on others. I don't actively wish pain on people. If there is little chance that they will have a good life, its better to end it before it begins than to add yet another unloved person to this world.
As for Death? Death no longer terrifies man. The smell of blood is as common as the smell of white plums. So, he creates slavery and savagery, which surpass the horror of dying. These can only be fought with more bloodshed, and the cycle never ends. Cookie to who names that quote. There are worse things than death; hopelessness, helplessness, loneliness, can all become torture far worse than death. And much less worse than the death of a creature not yet even self aware.
~Rico
Hiko Seijuro.
I award Ultra the Google Goggles for outstanding use of search engines.
~Rico
Aw...you said I'd get a cookie. Liar. 🙁
Silly, Christians don't believe in cookies.
~Rico
I don't believe I ever stated the system should raised all unloved children, but the system is a better alternative to death. The real question, the very question of life itself is what happens when we die? I have faith in God, and even though many might scoff at a practice that seems to be tattered and obsolete in this modern world, my faith in God comforts me; real or not.
What do those who don't believe in God have to look forward to(this is an honest question, not rhetorical, I'm curious about those who believe not to believe, if that makes any sense)? Is the death of a child in the womb better than the experience of life? No, that's a cowards end. That's making the choice of suicide, but making that choice for someone else. There are those who might give up the struggle of life and believe that other should give up as well, but I for one believe everyone deserves at least one chance.
Children are sentient. Fetus's are not.
There are other mythos' aside from yours.
~Rico
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Children are sentient. Fetus's are not.
Any proof?
If believing a human fetus is anything but human helps those that dispose of them sleep better, then so be it.
I realize that many can prove biologicaly one way or the other that a fetus is alive or not, but from what I've seen, a fetus can feel and express human emotion just like a child. Perhaps I'm foolish for believing that emotion, or pretended emotion, is requisite for being human.
OOC: On a totally unrelated note, It's good to see you're still on the board Rico. I don't feel like such a stranger when I see old board fogies like you 
If believing a human fetus is anything but human helps those that dispose of them sleep better, then so be it.
There's a difference between merely being "human" and being a person. If you're going to define "human" as loosely as "an organism that contains human DNA", that organism still is not afforded the same rights as a born child because it is not, under the eyes of the law, a person.
Functioning brain capable of abstract thought = a person.
Pulsating mound of tissue = not a person.
In the scientific and legal communities, the grey area begins somewhere around the beginning of the third trimester, which is why there wasn't much of a fuss when Bush banned late-term abortions.
