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(@shoeofallcosmos)
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Since the topic came up in the main forum, I figured I'd start a more in-depth discussion on the proper debating board for, y'know, arguing.

Fetishes are what we call an attraction to a specific thing that may or may not be the norm.  The probably-infinite list includes girls in boys' clothes, blonde hair, cute feet, rubber, human livestock, diapers, inflation, and sitting in water while clothed, to name a few.  They each can stem from an underlying theme; for example, diapers and bondage are both manifestations of submission.  Or sometimes it's purely a physical attraction, like feet could be.  There are no boundaries.
You cannot choose your fetish; your fetish chooses you.  Sometimes you can grow to like something more and more, but you still don't have total control.  It's like who you fall in love with.  A lot of us are nauseated by the thought of a woman pooping on a man's chest, but who are we to say it is ABSOLUTELY NOT a sexual act?  And who are they to say our own acts aren't allowed?  Some people are aghast at the very idea of being aroused by "unnatural" things, but, like homophobia, this probably indicates insecurity and/or an underlying fetish of their own.    Or it's just plain bigotry.
Furries are often made fun of for being "gross", but really, they're a very nice community that is open-minded and tolerant.  They understand that the sexual nature of humans is a very complex thing, which is a realization that I think a whole lot of people out there could benefit from.  It is a shame that society treats these enlightened folk so brutally.
One thing I'd like to specifically mention is pedophilia.  I used to think these people were sick and evil, but in reality they've just got a strong fetish for children.  Which must suck hardcore, because it hurts children very badly when they act upon their compulsions.  Some argue that we can "rehabilitate" pedophiles, but this would be as futile as someone trying to "rehabilitate" your attraction to dark-haired women.  Pedophiles need help and understanding, not just blind punishment.  Related to this is rape; it's a fetish a lot of men and women have, but it's extremely harmful when carried out.  So is guro, obviously (murder and gore).  I pose this question: What can society do to help people who act upon their dangerous fetishes?
I've touched on a few different things here without being totally sure where I was going...  Apologies for the poor writing.  I guess my main point is that I tolerate all sexual acts, as long as they are not hurting anyone else.  Thoughts?
 
(@episonic)
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I remember when I was very young. I heard the term, had no idea what it meant, and I went to ask my mom, who proceeded to explain that "fetish" is not a word I should be saying and that it is very innapropriate. I still don't understand exactly what fetishes are, or exactly what makes them innapropriate, so meh iz kinda confuzzled.

 
(@shoeofallcosmos)
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Err....

ShoeofallCosmos wrote:


Fetishes are what we call an attraction to a specific thing that may or may not be the norm.  The probably-infinite list includes girls in boys' clothes, blonde hair, cute feet, rubber, human livestock, diapers, inflation, and sitting in water while clothed, to name a few.  They each can stem from an underlying theme; for example, diapers and bondage are both manifestations of submission.  Or sometimes it's purely a physical attraction, like feet could be.  There are no boundaries.
You cannot choose your fetish; your fetish chooses you.  Sometimes you can grow to like something more and more, but you still don't have total control.  It's like who you fall in love with.
 
(@episonic)
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Still, I dont know what makes them innappropriate. Specifically, what I remember my mother saying to me so many years ago, is that "fetish" was a sexual term that evolved into slang for a pleasure or great desire, but I still dont know exactly what the SEXUAL term is and why its innapropriate.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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A quick start is that regarding the paedophilia thing, it is a very unfortunate thing to be locked into, but just in the same way that furries, giantess, transformation and such fetishists have to deal with, is that it is an impossibility to act on it's literal source, and the best outlet is, of course, role play.

The entire fetish community, particular the fantastic side (which I may end up talking almost exclusively about) has always intrigued me since my late teen days, as I always saw trends as to how people say they formed, and that alone is really interesting. The previously mentioned giantess fetish (aswell as the shrinking one) are both largely creditted to Alice in Wonderland, the inflation one has a hardcore link to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, furries obviously have Saturday Morning Disney and Sonic to blame...

The common trend is always found to be in formative youth and through what we'd consider to be innocent things, with the fantasy style ones.

Then you have the more common and practical fetishes, such as capture, tickling, and--- well, everything that children tend to do on the playground with one another. For one person, the act of Piggy-Back Rides (which is also fetish) is just a fun thing, for another it is their first step down a long and scary road.

The thing is, I have yet to work out what causes the difference. Perhaps it is genetically predetermined that something, regardless of it's implications and fascinations, will just be more of a turn-on than something else. It really does make me wonder what flips that switch. Did the switch exist, waiting to be flipped, or did the experience create the switch which would remain deep rooted for the rest of the person's life?

That I do not know, and it always troubled me.

I really wish there were more tolerance and understanding in the entire fiasco, though. I've often gone on trolls through DeviantArt trying to find art which had slants to any which way. There are, of course, certain kinks which have just become part of the public psyche (glasses is a good example. Heck, even bondage is, the way I see it used in some shows.), so why are there some things which are so universally accepted and yet some which are universally despised. The only common link I can find with the commonly squick fetishes is their reliance on fantasy.

Hair is a normal thing, some people like long hair, some people like short hair, heck I'm sure there is even a baldness fetish, and a facial hair fetish and an all around hair fetish. But mention "hair growth" as a fetish and people get uncomfortable. Maybe because it stretches the realm of reality it is instantly bad.

Food for thought and no real substance. But the subject is always on my mind. I discovered my own kink in my mid-to-late teens and spent nigh on a decade fighting too and through with it, until I eventually just accepted it would always be a part of me and that I should not only own up and embrace it, but not actively hide it (though I am in no way fond of people who flaunt their private nuances). I always thought that if there were more understanding and acceptance and tolerance in this world, then maybe it wouldn't have taken more than half of my life to date for me to be okay with something so integral to my identity. So it's a bit of a touchy subject, and one I enjoy discussing.

PS: TL;DR- Fetishes are not a bad thing. Even the weirdest of them is even remotely justifiable and understandable.

 
(@the-turtle-guy-u)
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Out of pure morbid curiosity, that kink is...?

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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If you really must know, hypnosis and mind control. From my understanding, it's quite common within even this community.

 
(@shifty)
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Is that because of me? Do you eroticize me?

YOU THINK I CONTROL PEOPLE RIGHT? SATISFY ME.

"wether we try to avoide it or not we all ate insects."-sonicsfan1991

 
(@shoeofallcosmos)
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Craig, that's an excellent post. And, so you're not alone, my personal fetish is inflation. =

I remember in 3rd grade being fascinated with this one scene in Escape to Witch Mountain where the boy used his *magical harmonica* to fill an overcoat with air until it exploded.  Eight years old, and I was fascinated.  And even earlier than that, I would put a beach ball inside my shirt and blow it up because it was kinda funny.  Which leads me to believe the "switch" was already there, and I only discovered and flipped it a couple of years ago.
I feel odd writing this.  =X
 
(@shifty)
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I have to admit, I've always been preoccupied with thinking of ways to lead people into doing things or thinkng things or to cause situations to occur through several unlinked incidental acts. Is this the sort of thing that might manifest itsself in my sexuality if I didnt sorta already have an oulet for that? Maybe it is about outlets.

"wether we try to avoide it or not we all ate insects."-sonicsfan1991

 
(@episonic)
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My fethish (accidentally stated in the wrong thread... awkward 0.0) is handicap bathroom stalls

 
(@trimanus)
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Kind of linked to Shifty's idea, but I also wonder how much fetishes are developed by early perceptions of sexualisation - particularly in cultures where sexuality is generally something kept behind closed doors and not discussed in front of children. If your earliest awareness of sex is something mysterious, is it much of a surprise if you make some (apparently strange) links between sex and something else you also find mysterious?

Just some more fod for thought, I guess

 
(@episonic)
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I wouldn't know, because I probably knew WAY too much about sex for my own good when I was young.

 
(@the-turtle-guy-u)
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Like, for example, the reason breasts are so erotic in America is because the media watchdogs say kids should ABSOLUTELY NEVER EVER EVER see a boob after they stop breastfeeding. We've fetishized them.

 
(@episonic)
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Ooh, ttg... look at the ad in your post... BOOBS!!! 😀

Shifty: Immagine how no-one sees the same ads you do; you look just ridiculous! Don't post so many one-liners in this topic. >:0 Don't you know that this is the Super Marble Garden.

 
(@sonicsfan1991)
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"I have to admit, I've always been preoccupied with thinking of ways to lead people into doing things or thinkng things or to cause situations to occur through several unlinked incidental acts. Is this the sort of thing that might manifest itsself in my sexuality if I didnt sorta already have an oulet for that? Maybe it is about outlets"

you might be devilishly cute, but i think the mind game is more attractive when being performed by women. a lot of women have the ability to manipulate and control others just by their words, almost like magic. i guess they're attractive that way but they scare me.

"There are, of course, certain kinks which have just become part of the public psyche (glasses is a good example. Heck, even bondage is, the way I see it used in some shows.)"

that is a very good point. the thing is before glasses was a turn off now its a turn on cause of anime. so perhaps a fetish is something you get for something when it is "praised"? 
really if anime didnt put furries and girls in bandages in a good image people wouldn't have been fetished to it, they transformed it into an art, and one of humans basic nature is being attracted to beauty. and beauty can be seen in just about anything depending on a person's imagination.

also if we're still in the discussion of trying to understand fetishes, i think it might be connected to a past memory that's burned in someone's thoughts and a certain "object or action" triggers it into an emotion (pleasure even). maybe the reason no one can fight off their own fetish is because its connected to a memory and you cant erase memories.

 
(@episonic)
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Another SERIOUSLY huge generalization... not all girls are attractive, much less use that quality to play "mind games" with people.

 
(@matthayter700)
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Another SERIOUSLY huge generalization... not all girls are attractive, much less use that quality to play "mind games" with people.

But she didn't say "all" girls, she said "a lot of" girls. Haven't been following the discussion though, so I'm not really sure what exactly Mada and Shifty were referring to.

Anyway, I don't know much about fetishes, but one idea in particular caught my attention when skimming through this thread; the idea of cartoons being a source of fetishes. Ironically, I myself sometimes wonder if cartoons create nostalgia towards certain ideas (ie. 101 Dalmatians movies creating nostalgia to the idea of the most aggressive characters being women through Cruella de Vil) that make certain kinds of porn more appealing. (Ie. Mangas where girls rape guys)

But as plausible as it sounds, speculation isn't really as meaningful as proof. Anyone here know what neuroscientists and psychology experts say about the idea?

 
(@trimanus)
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Not sure about experts, but (iirc) Freud took the view that fetishes arose as sublimations of sexual urges - something like you have an unconscious sexual desire that your conscious mind suppresses due to thinking it inappropriate, at which point the unconscious effectively smuggles the desire into the conscious by presenting it in a different way, connecting it to something somehow related but sufficiently different.

Then again, a lot of Freud's theories have been superseded or discredited, and, not being an expert on psychology, I don't really know if this is one of them...

 
(@shoeofallcosmos)
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Freud's mind was on nothing but sex for most of his life, so if he has a theory on fetishes, there might be something to it. Not that I've done any psychological research myself, but that theory sounds pretty plausible.

The only thing I can equate inflation to is submission. I also like goo, bondage, and human livestock, and they all have to do with submission. Sometimes I beg my boyfriend to tell me "no" instead of being so nice and agreeable, because I "like" it. And it all seems to stem from my father being the master of the household and telling us ladies what to do all the time. An unfortunate childhood circumstance leading to an adult fetish, hmm.

The only thing to refute this idea is that I was fascinated with inflation loooong before I had any idea my father was such an iron fist. But then again, that could play right into the "unconscious" babble Freud always goes on about.

 
(@matthayter700)
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Freud's mind was on nothing but sex for most of his life, so if he has a theory on fetishes, there might be something to it.

But just thought on its own, even if a lot of thought, wouldn't be enough... it really depends on how empirical his approach was. (Ie. How much of the focus was on testing the ideas through experiments, etc... which in this case I wouldn't know.)

It feels awkward to see people so openly discussing fetishes I've barely heard of... let alone on the board of a site about a kids' videogame series... I'm not sure whether I feel innocent or naive. Though I guess it's worth pointing out the combination of a cartoony side with adult subjects creates things that neither on its own would yield... the rule-34 references in one of Ultra's abortion threads comes to mind... I guess the whole is more than the sum of its parts.

As for the idea of telling one's significant other to stop being so nice and agreeable... be careful what you wish for. o.o

 
(@trimanus)
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Freud was not exactly noted for his strictly empirical methods, although his theorising was put into practice in his professional life through treating metally ill patients - effectively founding modern psychiatric treatment in the process.

As for his mind being on sex for most of his life, that may have had at least a little to do with the very conservative environment he lived in - late 19th/early 20th Century Europe, where Victorian social values were not restricted just to Britain - and the fact he was largely treating women who had suffered a mental breakdown. Given their views on sex were MUCH more conservative than most current social views on the topic (hint, this discussion would not be considered appropriate in that time, or at the very least highly dubious in an academic pursuit, and generally to be frowned upon), if we accept Freud as being partially correct then it would be hardly surprising to discover that a lot of the traumas he was dealing with were due to excessive sexual repression, and so skew the view as to what the underlying driving force of human psychology is.

Mind you, I'm not an expert on Freudian theory, so some of what I have written may be contaminated with my own attempts to make sense of what little I have learned...

 
(@hukos)
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I have a fetish for redheads with long hair. o.o

 
(@benjaminnui)
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Shifty, you now have a way to manipulate Hukos.

 
(@episonic)
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I have a fetish for redheads with long hair. o.o

Lol ME TOO.

 
(@sonicsfan1991)
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i think you're confusing between fetish and preferance.

 
(@shifty)
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All red-heads with long hair have the same personality. So do people who like it, so I already knew that about Hukos. It's why we choose that hairstyle. I expect The Turtle Guy to show up and mentions how he likes red-heads. I will think of more people. 

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(@the-turtle-guy-u)
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I'm... touched?

 
(@shifty)
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Yes. In the dark and while you are sleeping.

"wether we try to avoide it or not we all ate insects."-sonicsfan1991

 
(@benjaminnui)
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My fetish is Acrio touching TTG in the dark while he is sleeping.

 
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Shoe Of All Cosmos wrote:


One thing I'd like to specifically mention is pedophilia.  I used to think these people were sick and evil, but in reality they've just got a strong fetish for children.  Which must suck hardcore, because it hurts children very badly when they act upon their compulsions.  Some argue that we can "rehabilitate" pedophiles, but this would be as futile as someone trying to "rehabilitate" your attraction to dark-haired women.  Pedophiles need help and understanding, not just blind punishment.

On a more serious note, affection could be considered my biggest fetish. No further comments on such...

Side note, ever since I shifted to bi preference (and that was a bit after I had left MF a while back), I stopped feeling uncomfortble talking to Acrio. Just throwing that out there.

 
(@hukos)
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^Good thing Rishi isn't here or he'd go ape**** over that. XD

Serious time: I find redheads with long hair attractive because of what it represents to me. I like strength, and red is a color that often portrays strength, power, and passion. I've always had a fascination with long hair as well. Even though I don't think people usually think of it as such, I consider long hair to be symbolic of strength. Take that as you will, I just tend to really like those that are really strong and that description fits what I find attractive.

 
(@trimanus)
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Interesting thought their from sonicsfan1991 - what is the difference between a fetish and a preference? Or how do you distinguish between the two, if you believe a fetish is just a strong preference? Or is there no difference?

I'd say that a fetish would relate to some specific area - such as for a role someone plays (fireman/cheerleader, for example) or a feature of the body (like hair, feet, chests, whatever) that then becomes the main focus of eroticism for that person. So I guess you could have a fetish for long, red hair if that is the feature that most turns you on. If it was more "I like the look of it, but I'm still after personality/other physical appearance", I'd guess it's just a preference. From the sound of it, Hukos is more interested in a strong, passionate personality, rather than just long red hair in general - although the link between character and appearance is, as Shifty suggests, not the weakest connection you could make...

Just as a side thought, I just realised how there seems to be the two kinds of fetish - one where it's a fantasy or overall part, such as the fetish for a person in uniform, which would play itself out as a whole experience, and one where it focuses on one specific aspect, such as hair, or the sensation of inflation, where indulging in feeling/watching/interacting with that aspect is the main drive for the pleasure. Not sure whether certain personalities encourage these different types of prefeernce or not, but could be interesting to see if there's some correlation betweent the two

 
(@hukos)
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^That's pretty much the point. From an aesthetic point long red hair is extremely attractive to me, but blond/brunette hair can be as well, its just mostly the red = strong association that I have which makes it even more so attractive to me.

 
(@silvershadow)
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I think that's more a preference than a fetish then, Hukos.

Here's some clarification, courtesy of Chambers Dictionary:

fetish noun (fetishes)
1 in primitive societies: an object worshipped for its perceived
magical powers. 2 a procedure or ritual followed obsessively, or
an object of obsessive devotion. 3 a an object other than the
sexual organs that is handled or visualized as an aid to sexual
stimulation; b a person's attachment to such an object.

So, basically you're saying that you have a preference / attraction to red-heads because of their hair colour, especially those with long hair - but I don't think it quite comes close to being a fetish as such. Unless it's on the level of definition 2 there, heh heh.

I think possibly we're also getting a little bit of overlap between fetish and philia - again, here's a definition:

-philia combining form,
forming nouns, denoting 1 a tendency towards an
abnormal functioning of the specified thing • haemophilia. 2
an abnormal and usually sexual liking or love of the specified thing • paedophilia.

So by the looks of it, fetish would be when it's referring specifically to an object or body part, such as having a foot fetish for example. A kind of philia on the other hand is for example what Craig and Shoe have both mentioned (apologies for picking on you guys ;p).

Or for the sake of simplicity it could just be called a kink I guess.

Anyway, on a more topical note, I only have the one notable kink I've discovered but haven't explored much, and it's a hilariously wide-spread and well recognised one, so most people can probably guess what it is.

 
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oh god why

 
(@sonicsfan1991)
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i think of it this way:
fetish is when you cant control your attraction, and kink is when you get in the mood. i dont know if that makes sense.

 
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