Words cannot describe how much "video commentaries" on Youtube annoy the hell out of me. If you want to discuss something then at least write it.
All your evidence is biased and circumstantial. I could just as easily find a pro-atheist source that says atheists are happier and commit suicide less and such. You're extrapolating too much, saying "there MAY be massive world wars and famine because people COULD become depressed" is just a weak, weak, argument.
I also take a real issue to your suggestion that wars, etc. are more likely because there'd be no morality without religion - that is entirely offensive; you don't have to be a Christian to be a good person. I'm an atheist with many atheist friends and in my opinion we're all very decent people - moreso than some religious people I know. Religion doesn't hold exclusive rights to morality, just apparently a smug sense of entitlement for people like you. You claim to be tolerant and open-minded but you're not; that just reeks of a "happy ending" to placate people. You've already demonstrated numerous times that you consider your point of view to be objectively correct.
You're also arguing that religion is necessary because if we took it away, people would rebel. Yes that's true but I imagine the same would happen if, say, tobacco or alcohol were banned. It's not the thing (religion/alcohol) in question that is what's important, it's the prohibition of it that removes people's rights and forces societal chance that nobody wants. You can't force someone to become religious anymore than you can force them to become an atheist, which is something you don't seem to have realized yet. Just live and let live; atheists and theists will never see eye-to-eye but there's more than enough room on this planet for the two of us.
... I can add nothing that Matt didn't already. Well said.
I wish people would quit assuming that people different from them are the root of all evil just BECAUSE they don't believe exactly the same thing.
Talk about frustrating.
~Tobe
I am a very faithful christian and, I find your "commentary" to be poorly thought out. I mean seriously, no morals without religion? That is ridiculous. There have been countless people throughout history who were not religous that demonstrated an amazing degree of morality.
I tend to believe that it is faith itself that gives someone the strength to do what is right. Be that faith in themself or, thier family or, maybe in a higher power. When someone commits a true moral atrocity, which is rare as most of the time when we say something was bad or, evil we are not looking at it from all the sides, they were faithless and, truly lost.
Even if I am wrong, for you to say such misguided remarks does nothing but, make everyone else that believes in a religion look foolish. So please in the future put alot more thought into what you say.
Words cannot describe how much "video commentaries" on Youtube annoy the hell out of me. If you want to discuss something then at least write it.
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All your evidence is biased and circumstantial.
Are athiestic views on religion not?
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I could just as easily find a pro-atheist source that says atheists are happier and commit suicide less and such. You're extrapolating too much, saying "there MAY be massive world wars and famine because people COULD become depressed" is just a weak, weak, argument.
I am actually going of REAL websites.
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I also take a real issue to your suggestion that wars, etc. are more likely because there'd be no morality without religion - that is entirely offensive; you don't have to be a Christian to be a good person. I'm an atheist with many atheist friends and in my opinion we're all very decent people - moreso than some religious people I know. Religion doesn't hold exclusive rights to morality, just apparently a smug sense of entitlement for people like you. You claim to be tolerant and open-minded but you're not; that just reeks of a "happy ending" to placate people. You've already demonstrated numerous times that you consider your point of view to be objectively correct.
I decided to rerecord the video and be a bit more neutral, removing the old one. I NEVER SAID I WAS CORRECT! STATE WHERE I DID AND I WILL SAY I AM NOT!
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You're also arguing that religion is necessary because if we took it away, people would rebel. Yes that's true but I imagine the same would happen if, say, tobacco or alcohol were banned. It's not the thing (religion/alcohol) in question that is what's important, it's the prohibition of it that removes people's rights and forces societal chance that nobody wants. You can't force someone to become religious anymore than you can force them to become an atheist, which is something you don't seem to have realized yet. Just live and let live; atheists and theists will never see eye-to-eye but there's more than enough room on this planet for the two of us.
And why are you comparing religion to illegal drugs? I AM NOT FORCING ANYTHING ON ANYONE!(Sorry for typing in all caps, but I am mad) YOU ARE JUST PULLING THE ACCUSATIONS OUT OF NOWWHERE! MOST ATHIESTS ON YOUTUBE DON'T WANT RELIGION AROUND. WE CAN BE LOGICAL TOO, AND WE ARE NOT ALL EXTREMISTS WHO KILL AS YOU PORTRAY US! WE ACCEPT ANYONE INT OUR CHURCH/HOME!
Are athiestic views on religion not?
You're lumping an accusation onto the majority (again). I'll admit that some atheists may be closed minded, but to accuse the many for the actions of the few is closed minded on your part.
I am actually going of REAL websites.
Care to link them, then? Just because something's on the internet, doesn't necessarily make it fact.
I NEVER SAID I WAS CORRECT! STATE WHERE I DID AND I WILL SAY I AM NOT!
But you continue to act with an attitude that suggests that atheist beliefs are wrong and the beliefs you hold are correct.
YOU ARE JUST PULLING THE ACCUSATIONS OUT OF NOWWHERE!
Pot, kettle, etc.
MOST ATHIESTS ON YOUTUBE DON'T WANT RELIGION AROUND.
I don't know the validity of this claim, but regardless, the fact still holds that they are the minority. You can't judge everyone who claims to be atheist because of a few people on the internet having extreme opinions.
WE CAN BE LOGICAL TOO, AND WE ARE NOT ALL EXTREMISTS WHO KILL AS YOU PORTRAY US! WE ACCEPT ANYONE INT OUR CHURCH/HOME!
Atheists can be logical too, and they are not all religion-haters who condemn believers as you portray us. We accept anyone regardless of faith.
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Well, I don't know what to fuss about now! >_> But based on what everyone else has said here, it appears no work is needed on my behalf!
If I'm not too off-base here, being a Christian myself, Christ taught that we are ALL God's children. Therefore, as a Christian, my duty is to treat all people - regardless of their faith - with the respect that a child of God should receive.
Am I perfect at this? Heck no. But I try. And it certainly goes against that teaching to go bashing on atheists. It is hateful and wrong to do that, and frankly you're doing the exact same thing that the people you hate are doing - therefore, you have become that which you are attacking.
I can understand your frustration with the sorts of people who do hate on religion for selfish or petty reasons, and at some points I've felt the same way. However, that doesn't mean it is right, and eventually you will have to reconcile your beliefs with your religion. The best way to prove the anti-religion atheists wrong is to live your religion in the right way.
I'm not attacking anyone! When will anybody understand that?
The means by which you present your ideas suggests otherwise. If this is truly not your intention, then perhaps you should think more carefully about the wording of your thoughts.
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I'm not attacking anyone! When will anybody understand that?
when you realize that your diatribes about religion, atheists, and nonbelievers are misguided, irrelevant, and not thought-provoking in any way.
Stop whining, stop screaming, and start thinking. Instead of ranting about nonreligious people that you believe to be close-minded, accept that there is nothing you can do to change their ideals and just let the issue rest. And stop letting them tarnish your view of the majority of nonreligious people: we are not wrong, we do not need religion to be moral, we do not need your preaching, and we are not intolerant of those who leave us alone. As Tergonaut succinctly stated, by generalizing the majority of atheists as intolerant, you are in effect emulating that behavior which you are so pissed off at.
I did not get to see the entire video before you destroyed the evidence. However, judging from the responses, it seems that, after visiting a few websites with painfully obvious biases, you've come to the conclusion that religion is responsible for all, or at least almost all, of the peace and morality in the world. You really don't give us nonreligious types a lot of credit, do you? That's an attack and a close-minded generalization, whether you want to admit it or not.
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WE CAN BE LOGICAL TOO
That's good to hear. You should try it.
Sorry everyone who took it personal, it's not you, I was responding to certain people, NOT ALL ATHIESTs. Sorry to anyone who was offended.
You're sweet to apologize on the internet 
Most don't bother.
Everyone knows there are idiots in the world, and no-one likes them. Until you find them here though, you might want to save the rants. In the mean time, why not talk to the people who actually post at this board?
Or better yet, use some other idea brought up in this topic to foster actual discussion (that is a discussion between more than just a person and their head). As it is, once your rant's aftershock has passed, this topic is dead.
Yeah, really. It's a shame that some people are tormenting you and whatnot, but y'know... none of them are here. Which makes your constant defense of Christianity come across as more of an attack on not-Christianity, simply because it's tit for a tat that we're not privy to.
It's probably in your best interest to not respond on here unless somebody is genuinely trying to insult you on here. And if it's an actual attack, not just simple discourse, then we'll handle it.
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All your evidence is biased and circumstantial.
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Worst reply ever. "Atheistic views" are just opinion, much like religion, and that has nothing to do with what I'm saying anyway. You can't quote from random Christian source #31 about how religious folk are happier/healthier/etc than atheists and expect anyone to take it seriously. The same way you wouldn't believe anything I said about atheists being "better" in some way if my source was a pro-atheism website.
And like THS said, being on the internet doesn't mean it's true.
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I am actually going of REAL websites.
As opposed to those "fake" websites that I've heard so much about?
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I NEVER SAID I WAS CORRECT! STATE WHERE I DID AND I WILL SAY I AM NOT!
Pretty much every post you've made in Marble Garden - of course you haven't said "I'M CORRECT" in those words, but there's been numerous occasions where you've acted like your opinion is the sole truth, and we've called you on it every time.
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And why are you comparing religion to illegal drugs? I AM NOT FORCING ANYTHING ON ANYONE!(Sorry for typing in all caps, but I am mad) YOU ARE JUST PULLING THE ACCUSATIONS OUT OF NOWWHERE! MOST ATHIESTS ON YOUTUBE DON'T WANT RELIGION AROUND. WE CAN BE LOGICAL TOO, AND WE ARE NOT ALL EXTREMISTS WHO KILL AS YOU PORTRAY US! WE ACCEPT ANYONE INT OUR CHURCH/HOME!
Oh for pete's sake. You keep posting all these religious threads as if there's some huge conspiracy of atheists here that keep going out of their way to say horrible things about your religion and you need to defend yourself - but no one is! If you're pissed off at atheists on YouTube, go scream at them - we're not interested. It's like you keep answering questions that no one asked.
Also, neither tobacco nor alcohol are illegal, and the fact that you had to state that they are shows you completely misunderstood the entire point I was trying to make.
You have the same issue as matthayter. You expect sense out of random youtube videos, random websites, and TV pundits, and then post about it as if their opinions reflect a majority. What you must learn is the difficult lesson that yes, some people are simply unreasonable.
There is a saying that has a lot of subtle insight. "Never debate with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." You are arguing on the terms of random people and making yourself seem as dumb as them. Don't argue on their terms.
Are you talking to me or MegaMan? o.O
i thought the exact same thing but didn't want to say anything
and i think he meant megaman, even though the last five sentences could be applied to all of us
Mega 😛 Though the topic takes on a kind of surreal MC Escherness if I apply it to everybody in the topic including me.
