People have tried. Unfortunately, red tape and laws now consider ANYTHING abusive, whether it's on the school's or parenting side. So all that can really happen is detention, suspension, expulsion, or worse, depending on the severity of the bullying AND if they even get caught. To a lot of those idiots, suspension and expulsion is like a "Get Out of Jail Free" card, because like ass they wanted to be there in the first place.
I do believe crappy parenting is the cause of bullying. There's no doubt in my mind. A mixture of abuse, ignorance, and pampering is one quick cocktail of a bad impression on ones kid, for example. Is it cut and dry? Of course not, but it really doesn't help.
jinsoku wrote:
People have tried. Unfortunately, red tape and laws now consider ANYTHING abusive, whether it's on the school's or parenting side. So all that can really happen is detention, suspension, expulsion, or worse, depending on the severity of the bullying AND if they even get caught. To a lot of those idiots, suspension and expulsion is like a "Get Out of Jail Free" card, because like ass they wanted to be there in the first place.
I do believe crappy parenting is the cause of bullying. There's no doubt in my mind. A mixture of abuse, ignorance, and pampering is one quick cocktail of a bad impression on ones kid, for example. Is it cut and dry? Of course not, but it really doesn't help.
If so, then the preferable solution (again, not sure how realistic) would be to crack down on crappy parenting, because one way or another we ought to get at the source of this behaviour. We don't let parents abuse their own children, but if we are to blame the parents, letting the children develop into the kind that engage in this behaviour is just abusing other children by extension.
When I was in school the only solution I found was to bully them back. Worked for me.
you might be the only bully on the mofo then xemesis XD
Is "bullying" even the right word when it's done to the bullies themselves as a way of getting back at them? I thought that word was more so for that which picks on whoever is convenient to pick on (the unpopular ones, the weak ones, etc...) than that which picks on whoever deserves it.
I thought bullying was an action - belittling people, trying to humiliate them, physically abusing them. If so, doesn't matter who is doing it to whom, it's bullying.
Seconded.
Depends on what it is that happens, Matt. If you are being bullied with physical violence and you retaliate in that instance, it's called self defense. If it's just verbal, the best thing you can do is IGNORE it and don't even give them the pleasure of a response. Best case scenario is if you're witty enough and you can shoot back witty self-deprecating remarks back at the bully, you'll confuse them to the point that they'll never bother you again because it's no fun if you agree with everything he says. It's only if you actually go back to the same person over and over again, belittling this person with insults and smears and slurs or physically attacking them, or both, that you become the definition of a bully.
Case in point, this here is self defense.
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Ah yes, Casey Heynes. Both he and the little bully were suspended after the incident. Here's a follow-up story (video at the link):
IN just one week, Casey Heynes went from having one friend to 230,000.
The 16-year-old Sydney boy became a global Internet sensation after
he was filmed picking up a bully in the schoolyard and throwing him to
the ground after being repeatedly punched in the face for being
"overweight''.During an interview with A Current Affair ,
Casey said he had been bullied almost every day at school and even
contemplated suicide a year ago when the taunts became too much."I started putting myself down and all the crap just kept piling on,'' he said.
"That's when I contemplated suicide.''
A
Year 10 student at Chifley College, St Marys, Casey said he was being
targeted by a new gang of Year Seven students last Monday when he was
attacked by Ritchard Gale.The footage was captured by another student, who filmed the incident on his mobile phone and then posted it on YouTube.
Casey said his outburst was a "build-up'' of more than three years of being attacked verbally and physically by other students.
"They used to slap me on the back of the head and said I was a fatty and to lose some weight.
"I've been duct taped to a pole before as well. They target me because I don't retaliate.
"I've
never reacted that way before but everything built up inside me for
three years...I just had enough. All I wanted is for it to stop.''His
celebrity status peaked once again after his interview last night, with
social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter - which have more
than 230,000 followers - labelling him "a hero''.One blogger,
Wayne McCoy, said minutes after the television interview: "You have
inspired a lot of kids who have and are being bullied. you have changed
lives. well done mate. hopefully the bullies will learn their lesson.''Others, like Aidan Blackley, said: "Good on ya!!! ur a legend''.
Casey said he had been overwhelmed by the amount of people who backed him after last week's footage went viral.
"I've never had so much support before,'' he said.
"Nobody touches me and teases me anymore.''
Both
Casey and Ritchard were suspended by the school following the incident,
as well as the student who filmed it on their mobile phone.
awesome video
Ah, ha, ha, I never get tired of seeing that! That little jerk got what he deserved, za ha ha! The moral of this story, kiddies, is to never pick on someone who is much bigger than you and could mow you over!!!:lol
Nobody touches me and teases me anymore.''
I bet they don't bud, I bet they don't! And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you take care of a bully!
Both Casey and Ritchard were suspended by the school following the incident, as well as the student who filmed it on their mobile phone.
I really hate when they punish someone for protecting themselves!
matthayter700 wrote:
"Change for them" nothing, at least if it were something that someone had good reason not to like, and if that someone was a good enough person to presumably deserve seeing someone change it for them, that might in theory be justified.
This, on the other hand, was someone giving in to those who clearly did not deserve to be rewarded, for the sake of avoiding something that one might actually be encouraging by doing so.
I did not mean it in a way where its like a business standpoint or something where you look good for them, But in all honesty. I don't give a #%^@ who they are, They could be the most holy of nuns and they don't like something about your appearance #%@^ em.
So far from a "good enough person to presumably deserve seeing someone change it for them" I have not heard in my life unless it was a business perspective.
I know that it's slightly off topic, but I couldn't help thinking of this thread when I read this.
I have very few trigger points - but for producing a kid who talks and thinks like that, that's a parent with whom I'd like five minutes, a dark alley and a heavy, blunt object.
This all reminds me of someone I once knew (everyone loves those kinds of stories, right?) who had a 9-year-old sister who wore heavy makeup. Foundation, mascarra, lipstick, the works. Thankfully she was stopped short of wearing makeup to school, but still.
Why do I mention this? Because my thoughts are the same. Why in the [lovely] heck would anyone worry about their appearance at such a young age?
It's amazing that the child can be taken away without the mom doing anything actually illegal. Scary, actually. What is she being investigated for? Physical abuse? Some kind of mental disorder? Probably anything the news thinks we'd find entertaining.
Physical abuse? Some kind of mental disorder?
I'd be inclined to call it both. Wanting to inject toxic substances into your eight year old - even without wanting to dress and make them up like your own personal My Little Streetwalker doll (in so many wonderful outfits and shades of make-up!) in order to win yourself a new convertible - does not strike me as normal or well-adjusted.
Eight year old girls shouldn't believe that they're no longer "all those nice words" if they so much get a wrinkle in the bath, and they aren't born thinking that. That's a mother who needs some serious professional help to show her the difference between a child and a Barbie, and a child who seriously needs a life.
I really, really hope they find someone who is willing to give up the disgrace to the Hippocratic Oath who's supplying.
I am just wondering what they are basing the removal of the child on since there was no actual illegal activity.
So she's never been injected with anything and the mother claims "The Sun" paid her to say those things. The Sun denies doing this. Do you think she should still lose custody of her daughter in light of this new information?
I don't know what to think since I don't have anything to judge her as a parent on besides this. Hopefully they'll come to the right decision.
Adding this, this and this to the equation (I don't like using TMZ, but they do have a tendency to get to the point), I think that there're still things that need ironing out one way or the other. And the kid's probably best well away from this money-grubbing idiot whilst that's being done, because it's still a child rather than a prop.
I can't see The Sun faking the story, though. There was a small rash of artificial stories in the red-tops some years ago, but it made such a mess that a tabloid with the UK's biggest circulation probably daren't afford to pull a stunt like that. The press regulator here wouldn't stand for it, and neither would the rest of the industry for being brought into disrepute.
Spin, yes. Outright fakery, no.
This all reminds me of someone I once knew (everyone loves those kinds of stories, right?) who had a 9-year-old sister who wore heavy makeup. Foundation, mascarra, lipstick, the works. Thankfully she was stopped short of wearing makeup to school, but still.
Why do I mention this? Because my thoughts are the same. Why in the [lovely] heck would anyone worry about their appearance at such a young age?
"Worry about appearance" nothing, (I'd say we all do to some extent, especially in today's shallow society) even that wouldn't necessarily imply resorting to stuff like makeup or botox over it.
Obviously, parents are part of the problem, but I have to wonder how much parents can even do about it when telling kids not to worry about their appearance doesn't exactly resolve those worries. The media obviously plays a role, what with people using their beauty for profit in acting, or advertising, or... I'll venture no further than the A's. Ideally, people who give a damn that attractiveness depends on luck would use it on behalf of those who have less of it... oh right, he way it is used in practice shows that people DON'T give a damn.
