Wasn't the founder of this religion a sci-fi writer and child molestor?

Aren't some catholic preists child molestors? Does that negate Catholicism?

~Rico

It'd be more of an appropriate association to say Jesus was a child molester.

Anyway. If you've only researched scientology at it's own website, you know nothing about unbiased research. Try Wikipedia or something (Yes, that screams irony but this is refering to him personally as I know he goes there. I want him to have at least one other source and aside from that I don't think there's a chance).

L Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer, he wrote this, people read it, people believed it. This is why most people think it's silly. For other reasons try more real research. Listing a few, we have an attempted government takeover, the creator of the religion attempting to steal funds from it, and the alien who threw his underlings into our volcano and created souls (that doesn't sound like anything your typical scifi writer would churn out on his own!).

It's focus on natural medicine and stuff like that is fine but that's hardly a reason to make an alliance to any religion. You can like natural medicine and not be a part of scientology the same way I like not killing people and am disinvolved in christian affairs.

^{thetan levels}

I thought he just tortured people WHILE he was a child. o.o

~Rico

You were saying since there was no chemical imballance that Scientology was the answer. o.o

NEXT.

NEEEXT!!!!!11!1!11

Scientology is better than any other religion and despite what you may think about Hubbard, he is obviously some kind of marketing genius (or hired people who are). Look at it this way:

Scientology is based off of Science Fiction. Yet, somehow, millions of people believe in it. When you look at it, Scientology isn't even putting effort into seeming believable and yet it is believed in.

So, if you are going to believe in a religion I say believe in Scientology. Not because it's right, but because it's just so damn good at what it does.

So basically you're saying people are mindless sheep and I should follow Scientology because it's good at whatever it does, like jumping into a volcano is good at burning me into soot and poo?

How is it so damn good at what it does in your words? If it was then why aren't billions following it? Right now its barely much more than cult. And to, any average Joe could write a religion. You're points are rather weak. And btw what made you suddenly madly in love with scientology?

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It's gowing dramaticly and it isnt a 'cult' anymore it grew higher with the new people worldwide joining. The Church of Scientology was founded in 1954 and since then has grown from one church to more than 6,000 churches, missions and groups in 159 countries, serving millions of parishioners in 66 languages worldwide.

Cult my firend, I don't think so.
And i've been looking at and reviewing scientology for months now because I just thought I see what it really is about and now I understand.

And for the rest...

Scientologists use medical drugs when physically ill and also rely on the advice and treatment of medical doctors. Scientologists do not take street drugs or mind-altering psychiatric drugs of any kind.

Scientologists believe that psychotropic or street drugs damage a person physically, mentally and spiritually. They decrease awareness and hinder abilities. They are a solution to some other problem and themselves become a problem.

Mr. Hubbard developed an entire body of technology to enable individuals to recover from the harmful mental and spiritual effects of drugs. His discoveries are widely used in countries all over the world.

I find this topic ironic. Especially when billions of people believe burning bushes can talk.

~Rico

I find the South Park episdoe 'Trapped in the Closet' to be perfectly fitting for this discussion. :3

I believe that episode was banned from television becasue of tom cruise, thank you tom that episode WAS NOT FUNNY.

Scientologists ban everything that doesn't paint them in a favorable light because they're [deranged].

Especially Tom Cruise.

I liked your post up until the "wackjob" part. Use more tact in this forum especially, please.

Wot Ultra said.

Oh, and I blame religion.

~Rico

Wow, it's actually applicable this time too, Rico =D

Scientology is very difficult to take seriously. I try to keep an open mind as much as possible, but I find myself hindered by the fact that Hubbard simply made the stuff up.

Looking at Christianity as an example, the religion's roots began with Abraham, the first follower of the god we now know as "Yaweh," or the Abrahamic God. That evolved over thousands of years, not just as a religion but as an integrated cultural way of life for the Hebrew people. Its beliefs were influenced by their way of life and vice versa. All this led up to Jesus, the "founder" of Christianity. Christian theology, like Jewish theology before it, evolved over several thousand years according to the culture of the people that followed it, and it continues to evolve to this very day.

By contrast, Scientology was simply all made up, fifty years ago, by this one guy who didn't seem to even believe it himself.

I find it difficult to even think of it on the same level as the major world religions, most of which have the same type of cultural evolution and significance as what I mentioned above for Christianity.

On a related topic, has anyone read Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut?

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They didn't found Catholicism.

I think the problem with this topic is that it assumes that everyone who follows a religion is completely "orthodox" to every aspect that that religion entails. I know Scientologists who don't believe in Xenu or alien higher powers or other "Scientologist theology" if you may. They do however, believe in some of the religion's approaches towards drugs, especially psyc. medications being over prescribed for teenagers and children. They believe in the talk therapy that the church follows in order to gain a state of "clear" or emotional control and calmness.

I've found most people "pick and choose" regardless of what religion they claim to subscribe to. Not all Christians believe in Noah's Ark or the Earth being created in seven days and yet we'd probably still call those people Christian. Not all Muslims believe in a total ban of alcohol and tobacco (as the Koran calls for) or attend all of the daily prayers, yet we wouldn't say these people aren't followers of Islam. Sometimes Atheists talk about luck and sometimes Jews eat pork. My point is, there are parts of Scientology that individual Scientologists negate all of the time, because they find them wtflol worthy. If you believe otherwise you're probably being a bit unfair in your portrayal of every member as a mindless sheep who's taking it in without question.

Exactly.

~Rico

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Yeah, that was Constantine, a person of questionable christianity himself. That's why I don't understand how people can rationalize catholicism, for similar reasons to my stupor at scientology.

The problem with not believeing in Xenu and being a Scientologist is that it's not like being a Jew and eating pork. It's like being Christian and not believing in Jesus.

I should probably mention here that the Church of Scientology of Toronto was convicted in 1992 for breach of the public trust when they stole thousands of documents from public and private agencies and tried to infiltrate the Canadian government.

This is the Marbe Garden, Cyc. In Marble Garden we have no place for your "facts." please take them eslewhere.

Hey, whats with that. They should know you steal money by saying that their god wants they to give it and pass the plate around every 5 minutes like the baptists do. :3

~Rico

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They should know you steal money by saying that their god wants they to give it and pass the plate around every 5 minutes like the baptists do. :3

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Reading that made my mind snap.

GRAMMAR NAZIS ARE YOUR FRIENDS! }:O

Edit: In light of Wonderbat's latest post...

Rico, M =/= Y

There's one thing wrong with that sentence, Ultra, and it's not even a grammatical error, it's a spelling mistake.

Vec, how do you figure Constantine as the founder of Catholicism?

Who do you think it was?

That's quite a difficult question to answer, but I've never heard anyone claim Constantine as the founder of Catholicism. And I find it difficult to Consider him as such. He legalized the religion and made it Rome's official religion, at the same time promoting the religion's spread. But by no means did he found the organization.

The church Constantine knew was the same organization as the early church, which has been called "Catholic" since the second century (Constantine, by contrast, lived in the fourth century). that curch continued until the great schism in the eleventh century, where the distinction was made between the Roman Catholic church and the Eastern Orthodox church. Other churches splintered off of these two mostly during and after the protestant reformation starting in the seventeenth century.

So who founded it? Well, that depends on what you think about the early church in which case you'd say it was Peter, who headed the church, or Jesus, who allegedly made Peter the head of the church and the first Catholic pope.

My opinion is that Jesus founded the church which we today know as the catholic church.

Okay, so Tom Cruise didn't found Scientology. The alien dude did. :3

Ugh, the ignorance! I shall explain...

The Church of Scientology was founded in December 1953 in New Jersey by American pulp fiction and science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard, his then wife Mary Sue Hubbard, John Galusha and a few others, although "Scientology clubs" had been operating for at least a year before that.

Man, will you be quiet, I'm TRYING to irritate people here. You and your facts. Bleh! XD

I'm sure pretty much everyone in the thread knows that. And that Rico was only kidding. Which is what Rico usually does.

Who are YOU?

Check my sig for a mega-hint.

My wife.

Ah, my did not catch that.

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My opinion is that Jesus founded the church which we today know as the catholic church.
I think Jesus would be insulted by that.

Cyke, I think a lotta things people do insult him.

I'm not saying that Jesus would approve of taday's church. I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is that it's the same institution that Jesus founded.

I would go on about how each sect of jesus' followers pick and choose different books to follow but this is on the topic for that. In fact most of this topic was people snickering about Scientology.

Who's having fun?

Murmered crowd: nah... not me... no...

>=|...

Well then BURN YOURSELVES! *tosses a match on the topic*

Burning person: AAAAAAAAARGH
Burning person: AAAAAAAAARGH
Burning person: AAAAAAAAARGH

BUUUUUUUUUUUURN!

Oh Ben, you light my fire.

You mod my rights N_N

Why does this topic exist again?

Because Scientology is the coolerest!