If it's less than a clone, it's masturbation.

If it's a clone, it's clonescest.

If it's a time-travelling duplicate or other-dimensional reproduction, it's quantum clonescest

But Quantum Leap style time travel would be Soulscest.

Which is what I'd call my Metal Band. If I could you know, have any musical ability.

I personally call it "suisexuality."

I'll admit, I laughed at that... but I thought this was meant to be a serious discussion? *Shrugs*

Anyway... not sure what to say here. Would such an act require one to be such an extreme narcissist? In my opinion, one's ability to "Get Laid" for lack of a better term at the moment (And a lack of decent vocabulary), in society determines their worth, at least from a male's point of view. If a guy is unable to "woo" a women into having intercourse with him, he is seen as... well pathetic. I can't speak for what the female view on sex is, seeing as I am not a member of the female sex. So having sex with oneself as a guy would be seen as a complete act of utter desperation (Or I would think so...).

ANYWAY, I am in no way, shape, or form an expert on anything I have said. This is just stuff compiled from my own experiences, so don't take it hard if I'm wrong at all.

Ugh, it's awful for women. We're supposed to be the pristine and pure gender, untainted by anything, and certainly not another man. Until you're married, of course. Then you can give yourself to them and them alone. If a girl were to have sex with their boyfriend, from what I've seen, they're generally looked down upon. If they have sex with more than one person (not at a time - that's a different story), then they're seen as "easy" and really looked down upon.

But from my experience, Hukos is exactly right. If a guy gets laid, it's a score. If he gets laid multiple times, he's a player. If a girl gets laid, she's a tramp, and a slut if it's more than once. It's not fair, and it's certainly not right, especially when it's been stated several times over in multiple journals and articles (I'm sure a quick Google can provide references) that the sex drives between genders are virtually identical; girls crave it as much as guys do, no matter what society says is acceptable.

I realize this is kind of a deviation from the topic, but I felt it was vaguely relevant.

~Shadowed Spirit Sage

Hmm, that's pretty interesting really Sage. Over here in the UK it's the norm for members of both genders to have sex before marrage and even with more than one person, so long as you're in a relationship with each of them at the time. It's only when you're constantly having one night stands, with someone who is already in another relationship, or underaged that it becomes frowned upon.

And on topic, yeah, it's not homosexual, it's just masturbation. And yes, it is possible for a female to do it to herself.

That depends on how Clintonesque you feel and how you define "sex", rather than just sexual acts - does it always have to equal climaxing and does it have to have the right physical components and sensations? I've seen people describe mutual masturbation or oral as "sex", but to me sex has to involve two sets of actual sexual organs, not just (hopefully) the same end result.

I was actually thinking of the term "autosexual" when I saw the topic initially, but I thought it might be more interesting to take it literally and see where things went.

For me what defines the sexuality of an act is the psychology behind it. If in this hypothetical situation you're purely getting off on the physical sensation, then it's nothing more than an extremely elaborate form of masturbation, which as an act doesn't really have a sexuality associated with it. (Everybody masturbates, be they hetero-, homo-, bi-, tri-, pan-, omni-, whatever-sexual. Okay, maybe not asexual, I'm not too sure on that one.) However if (in addition to or instead of the physical senstation) you're getting off on the idea of having sex with yourself, then you're getting off on the idea of having sex with another member of your own sex and thus performing a homosexual act.

Now, a related question is does this make you a homosexual? The answer to that depends entirely on what it means to be homosexual. Does it mean someone whose sexual experience is primarily homosexual? I don't really agree with that definition and offer the following scenario to illustrate why. Suppose there was only one woman on Earth and one billion men and so most of the men shag each other to get off as for most of them they have almost no chance with the woman. Is nearly everyone on Earth thus homosexual, even if they'd all rather be shagging the chick? I would say no. Persons whose gender does not match their sex also complicate matters. My personal position is that while the hetero-, homo- and bisexual labels suffice in most cases, they're inaccurate and ill-defined in general. It's easier to define the sexuality of a person in terms of who they're attracted to without reference to the sex/gender of the person in question. The terms androphilic (attracted to dudes) and gynophilic (attracted to chicks) can be used for this purpose, although I don't know of similar terms for people attracted to transsexuals, (pseudo)hermaphrodites, etc.

Also as for attitudes to sexuality, I'd say Trudi's interpretation is closer to reality (at least in the UK) than Sagey's. People (of both sexes!) have sex, people even have sex outside of marriage, and most people don't have a problem with this so long as you're sensible about it and don't take it to extremes or do it irresponsibly. Then again, my experience could be coloured by the circles I move in. I'm in university so I mostly interact with young, well-educated people who possibly have more liberal attitudes to sexuality than other sections of society, e.g. older generations and the devoutly religious.

Also as for attitudes to sexuality, I'd say Trudi's interpretation is closer to reality (at least in the UK) than Sagey's. People (of both sexes!) have sex, people even have sex outside of marriage, and most people don't have a problem with this so long as you're sensible about it and don't take it to extremes or do it irresponsibly. Then again, my experience could be coloured by the circles I move in. I'm in university so I mostly interact with young, well-educated people who possibly have more liberal attitudes to sexuality than other sections of society, e.g. older generations and the devoutly religious.

I suspect it is a local more than national question, as I was surprised to hear of such attitudes still existing also, and wouldn't be surprised if it is more common among the more rural places.

AHEM. Mind you, being one who lives in such rural areas... yeah its pretty much how its stereotyped. Old people think it has to be done their way and such and anything other than it is ignorance to them. Or that's how I've seen it. I honestly don't care if two people decide to go at it, their business not mine. Hell, I'd congratulate both members involved seeing as they're doing something I'll probably never get to do =/

Actually, I'm in the suburbs of Chicago, and what I said still applies for my area o.o

~Shadowed Spirit Sage

O.o I'm pretty sure what Sagey says applies to all areas of the country... and to all age groups.

Often you will find ignorant people who label everyone female who has had sex more than 0 times a slut/whore etc, but for the most part, I'd have to say that that attitude has pretty much gone away, at least where I live. Of course you have the old people tossing bibles around screaming NO SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE HEATHENS DVFDSFBGB but meh, what the hell do they matter.

In my circle of friends at least, most of us couldn't care less how many times Girl A had sex, or even how many chicks phone numbers Guy B got at some party. Sex is sex, and if you wanna go out having (or trying to have) alot of it, or NOT having it, so be it, it is your life. Unfortunately I can't say all people are generally as laid-back and nonchalant about things as me and my friends are, because I DO know a few people who toss around ho/slut/whore all the time. Its a shame really, why can't members of both sexes have sex and enjoy it and be able to brag to our friends about it without feeling like "WHORES" because of society?! To hell with society!

*imagines a bunch of girls getting together talking about epic sexual adventures the way some guys do*

Where are these women? I would like to meet them. If you are one of them, [call me]

Anyhow, on topic, it always seemed to me that if you had any kind of sexual relations with yourself, it would just be masturbation. I don't know about all this clone sex business, but I'd assume that having sex with a clone does NOT qualify as masturbation, that's just homosexual sex! Unless you cloned yourself if you were a transvestite. Then you're just a... you're just being... you're just... cheating.

Hiro that is so impressive that you can tell us that.