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The History of Slavery and Societal Morality

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I know there's already a topic about it, but that one's focused on reparations. THIS one is focused more on its history, and why I think it's a total shame that the former slaveholders in the 18th-19th centuries are characterized as "evil". Considering our stances now, it is evil.

But when you think about it, you're talking about the weeding out of a mentality that's been in existence for millenia. Which brings me to the second part of the thread title: morality of a society.

I understand that moral relativism is a popular position to take ("Everyone's values are different", etc.). But is it right (oops, there I go!), much less correct? Would many of the more sensible laws we have today - abolition of slavery, criminalization of pedophilia, and so on - have been possible without a radical upheaval in the traditional societal morality that allowed for such crimes (by today's higher standards) to occur?

Article written by Mark Steyn.

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'William Wilberforce,'' writes Eric Metaxas in Amazing Grace, "was the happy victim of his own success. He was like someone who against all odds finds the cure for a horrible disease that's ravaging the world, and the cure is so overwhelmingly successful that it vanquishes the disease completely. No one suffers from it again -- and within a generation or two no one remembers it ever existed.''
What did Wilberforce ''cure''? Two centuries ago, on March 25, 1807, one very persistent British backbencher secured the passage by parliament of an Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade throughout His Majesty's realms and territories. It's not that no one remembers the disease ever existed, but that we recall it as a kind of freak pandemic -- a SARS or bird flu that flares up and whirs round the world and is then eradicated. The American education system teaches it as such -- as a kind of wicked perversion the Atlantic settlers had conjured out of their own ambition. In reality, it was more like the common cold: a fact of life. The institution predates the word's etymology, from the Slavs brought from eastern Europe to the glittering metropolis of Rome. It predates by some millennia the earliest laws, such as the Code of Hammurabi in Mesopotamia. The first slave owners on the North American continent were hunter-gatherers.

As Metaxas puts it, ''Slavery was as accepted as birth and marriage and death, was so woven into the tapestry of human history that you could barely see its threads, much less pull them out. Everywhere on the globe, for 5,000 years, the idea of human civilization without slavery was unimaginable. . . . What Wilberforce vanquished was something even worse than slavery,'' says Metaxas, "something that was much more fundamental and can hardly be seen from where we stand today: He vanquished the very mind-set that made slavery acceptable and allowed it to survive and thrive for millennia. He destroyed an entire way of seeing the world, one that had held sway from the beginning of history, and he replaced it with another way of seeing the world.'' Ownership of existing slaves continued in the British West Indies for another quarter-century and in the United States for another 60 years, and slave trading continued in Turkey until Ataturk abolished it in the '20s and in Saudi Arabia until it was (officially) banned in the '60s, and it persists in Africa and other pockets of the world to this day. But not as a broadly accepted "human good.''

There was some hard-muscle enforcement that accompanied the new law: The Royal Navy announced that it would regard all slave ships as pirates, and thus they were liable to sinking and their crews to execution. But what was decisive was the way Wilberforce ''murdered'' (in Metaxas' word) the old acceptance of slavery by the wider society. As he wrote in 1787, ''God almighty has set before me two great objects: the suppression of the slave trade and the reformation of manners.''

The latter goal we would now formulate as ''changing the culture'' -- which is what he did. The film of ''Amazing Grace'' shows the Duke of Clarence and other effete toffs reeling under a lot of lame bromides hurled by Wilberforce on behalf of ''the people.''

But, in fact, ''the people'' were a large part of the problem. Then as now, citizens of advanced societies are easily distracted. The 18th century Church of England preached "a tepid kind of moralism" disconnected both from any serious faith and from the great questions facing the nation. It was a sensualist culture amusing itself to death: Wilberforce goes to a performance of Don Juan, is shocked by a provocative dance, and is then further shocked to discover the rest of the audience is too blase even to be shocked. The Paris Hilton of the age, the Prince of Wales, was celebrated for having bedded 7,000 women and snipped from each a keepsake hair. Twenty-five percent of all unmarried females in London were whores; the average age of a prostitute was 16, and many brothels prided themselves on offering only girls under the age of 14.

Many of these features -- weedy fainthearted mainstream churches, skanky celebs, weary provocations for jaded debauchees -- will strike a chord in our own time. "There is a deal of ruin in a nation," remarked Adam Smith. England survived the 18th century, and maybe we will survive the 21st. But the life of William Wilberforce and the bicentennial of his extraordinary achievement remind us that great men don't shirk things because the focus-group numbers look unpromising. What we think of as "the Victorian era" was, in large part, an invention of Wilberforce that he succeeded in selling to his compatriots. We children of the 20th century mock our 19th century forebears as uptight prudes, moralists and do-gooders. If they were, it's because of Wilberforce. His legacy includes the very notion of a "social conscience": In the 1790s a good man could stroll past an 11-year-old prostitute on a London street without feeling a twinge of disgust or outrage; he accepted her as merely a feature of the landscape, like an ugly hill. By the 1890s, there were still child prostitutes, but there were also charities and improvement societies and orphanages. It is amazing to read a letter from Wilberforce and realize that he is, in fact, articulating precisely 220 years ago what New Yorkers came to know in the '90s as the "broken windows" theory: ''The most effectual way to prevent greater crimes is by punishing the smaller.''

The Victorians, if plunked down before the Anna Nicole updates for an hour or two, would probably conclude we're nearer the 18th century than their own. A "social conscience" obliges the individual to act. Today we call for action all the time, but mostly from government, which is another way of excusing us and allowing us to get on with the distractions of the day. Our schoolhouses revile the Victorian do-gooders as condescending racists and oppressors -- though the single greatest force for ending slavery around the world was the Royal Navy. Isn't societal self-loathing just another justification for lethargy? After all, if the white man is inherently wicked, that pretty much absolves one from having to do anything. And so the same kind of lies we told ourselves about slaves we now tell ourselves about other faraway people, and for the same reason: because big changes are tough and who needs the hassle? The hardest thing in any society is "the reformation of manners.''


So. Slavery and morality. How key was morality in ending slavery? I mean, I'm a Southern boy; I was raised in Alabama. Does that mean I think the South was correct for its position on slaves? No. But I also think it's not prudent to disregard the mind frame regarding slaves, considering that it had been one in place for thousands of years.

And on a last note: when it comes down to it...does moral relativism make ANY sense?

 
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...You didn't.

No.

 
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"Didn't"...what?

I'm just looking at the past here.

Am I glad the pro-slavery Confederacy is gone in the dustbin of history? Yes. Am I irritated by Confederate romanticism proclaimed by a minority of Southerners today? Yes.

Does that mean the Civil War was fought solely because of slavery? No; the causes were multiple and complex.

Then again, maybe I'm assuming different from what you mean.

 
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I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT YOU DID THIS. *DENY*

 
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Seriously, what are you talking about?

 
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England survived the 18th century, and maybe we will survive the 21st.


Wow, a superpower wasn't destroyed by having whores and a prince who slept around. This completely goes against expectations!

The threat to the U.S. is not whores, but in fact the politics of moralists who wish to put their morals in the legal code and support incompetents like Bush. Bush instead of solidifying a superpower through militarism has put the position in question with overused military and international disrepute.

People who like to complain about moral relativism don't really seem to understand what it is. That article pretty much supports it completely. Moral relativism doesn't say "everything is right" but that moral judgements are based on socialization and not an absolute truth. While I believe absolute truth exists, it is not perceptible, and this extends not just to the physical universe but subjective judgements of it.

Right wingers could do with a bit less Bible thumping and a bit more reading. What was the original sin, the very first sin described in the Bible? It was attempting to steal the knowledge of absolute morality from God. Yet these people are continually laying claim to it, so they must have missed the point.

I have actually seen the movie Amazing Grace and it is an amazing movie, though I'm not going to go saying it was historically accurate since I do not have evidence either way. The movie to me is a depiction of the classic struggle between the liberal and the conservative, a struggle I tend to interpret most of history to. Dissent is even oppressed through war and accusations of treason.

However, if you've seen the movie, while Wilberforce is portrayed as a hero, he's more of a public advocate for a movement, and the real defeat of slavery (in the plot; I can't say what its real historical significance was, but this seemed like a very good explanation) is done by pirates due to the brilliant idea of James Stephen to make slave ships targets for privateers and disguise it as a pro-military law.

The Wikipedia version of the story says:

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A change of tactics, which involved introducing a bill to ban British subjects from aiding or participating in the slave trade to the French colonies, was suggested by maritime lawyer James Stephen in early 1806. It was a smart move, as the majority of the ships were, in fact, now flying American flags, though manned by British crews and sailing out of Liverpool. The new Foreign Slave Trade Act was quickly passed and the tactic proved successful. The new legislation effectively prohibited two-thirds of the British slave trade. This was in part enabled by Lord Nelson's victory at the Battle of Trafalgar, which had given Britain the sea power to ensure that any ban could be enforced.


Whatever the law was, the point is that they subtly made slavery unprofitable, and it's amazing how abolition of slavery coincides with it being unprofitable. ;) The law also addressed the pretty good argument by the pro-slavers in the movie that if they abolished slavery it would simply be handing over the industry to France.

This actually goes against the idea that the slavers were acting out of an older morality and suggests that they knew they were wrong, but wanted money.

I think the Southerners tried to make it look like a states' rights issue, but that was just rationalization. By using such a rationalization, they must have known at least subconsiously that they were doing a horrible thing, just as the unionists rationalized the civil war with abolitionism. The actual confederate constitution was just a copy of the U.S. costitution, with less states' rights, and a whole bunch of restrictions against regulation of slavery. The only really good idea in it was abolition of unrelated amendments on bills in congres, which continues to be a major source of corruption in congress.

 
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Moral relativism doesn't say "everything is right" but that moral judgements are based on socialization and not an absolute truth.


I wish some people I speak to would know the definition. :/

 
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