What if atlantis and lemuria were just islands that got their size over estimated. And why did the super advance societies of lemuria and atlantis only stick to one landmass?
I agree with Hidoi Kijo. I think Atlantis and Lemuria (if they existed) were relatively small islands as opposed to continents. If Atlantis (and perhaps Lemuria) was a technologically advanced civilisation, then I don't think it would have been the only one on Earth during that bygone era. I think there was a global network at that time, much like we have today. So the cultural state of our whole planet may have been much the same as Atlantis, but in differing degrees. What I mean by this is that although different continents may have had their own languages and forms of writing unique to them, their scientific knowledge and their interest in the arts would have been at a level similar to that of Atlantis. This is all pure speculation, of course. But it's educated speculation, for there are POWERFUL indications that the people of those times were capable of travelling both on water and by air. Commerce and trade between various continents seems very plausible indeed due to many reasons. One of these reasons (only ONE out of MANY) is that when the coffin of a mummified Egyptian pharaoh was opened, archaeologists found traces of cocoa leaves within the coffin itself. I'm talkin' about freakin' Egypt here. Yet cocoa leaves, as far as we know, are native to South America. This, to me, directly implies the trade of goods from one part of our planet to another. Athens and Rama were apparently two civilisations that existed concurrently with Atlantis. Yet the average person knows barely ANYTHING about them. Why? I think it's because Atlantis had the most 'press' (so to speak). It's possible that Atlantis was akin to our relatively modern conception of a 'superpower' (such as the United States, in this instance), so Atlantis was the one continent that became the most ingrained in the collective consciousness of people from spatially distant regions all over our planet. This is how Plato was able to access information about Atlantis via Solon and the priests of ancient Egypt, I think. Atlantis made herself known through her glamour and high culture, whilst other civilisations simultaneously existing around our planet at that time, though equally or almost as advanced in the arts and sciences as Atlantis, were not as keen on the idea of being immortalised through memory and instead lived more peacefully and harmoniously with Nature.
"You are all [Greeks] young in mind. You have no belief rooted in old tradition and no knowledge hoary with age. And the reason is this. There have been and will be many different calamities to destroy mankind, the greatest of them by fire and water, lesser ones by countless other means...
But in our temples we have preserved from earliest times a written record of any great or splendid achievement or notable event which has come to our ears whether it occurred in your part of the world or here or anywhere else; whereas with you and others, writing and the other necessities of civilization have only just been developed when the periodic scourge of the deluge descends, and spares none but the unlettered and uncultured, so that you have to begin again like children, in complete ignorance of what happened in our part of the world or in yours in early times...
You remember only one deluge, though there have been many, and you do not know that the finest and best race of men that ever existed lived in your country; you and your fellow citizens are descended from the few survivors that remained, but you know nothing about it because so many succeeding generations left no record in writing." -Timaeus 22d-23c
Have you ever had a feeling that history is repeating itself? Do you think that much of what is happening in our world today has happened before? And if you think it has, do you think it will happen again in the future?
These are profound questions and I intend to address them to the best of my ability in this thread. This is a topic very close to my heart and one which DEEPLY fascinates me. Also, I will present a possible alternate history of humankind that isn't normally taught in our textbooks.
Firstly, it is my firm belief that the illusion known as Time recurs in cycles. There are cycles of Time which spin around and around like a wheel and the 'spokes' of this proverbial wheel are the different divisions of Time that rotate perpetually. Basically, I embrace a cyclical conception of Time. However, if you think that Time flows in a linear fashion, that's fine too. Nevertheless, the information in this thread will largely reflect my cyclical and non-linear conception of Time.
The bulk of this thread is about so-called 'anatomically modern' humans and their civilisations as well as how far they actually extend in antiquity. It is commonly believed among the mainstream scientific community that humans have their origins on Earth approximately 200,000 years ago. However, over the last few centuries, literally THOUSANDS of archaeological discoveries have been made which severely challenge this almost entirely unquestioned belief. Here are merely SOME of the archaeological discoveries which CLEARLY indicate that the Homo sapiens sapiens species (that's us) has existed on this planet for a FAR longer period of time than what is usually taught in our textbooks:
* A human skull fragment from Hungary dated between 250,000 and 450,000 BC
* A human footprint with accompanying paleoliths (stones deliberately chipped into a recognisable tool type), bone tools, hearths and shelters, discovered in France and dated 300,000 to 400,000 years BC
* Paleoliths in Spain, a partial human skeleton and paleoliths in France; two English skeletons, one with associated paleoliths, ALL at least 300,000 years old
* Skull fragments and paleoliths in Kenya and advanced paleoliths, of modern human manufacture, in the Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania, dated between 400,000 and 700,000 BC
* Neoliths (the most advanced stone tools and utensils) in China of a type that indicate full human capacity, dated to 600,000 BC
* Hearths, charcoal, human femurs and broken animal bones, all denoting modern humanity, in Java, dated to 830,000 BC
* An anatomically modern human skull discovered in Argentina and dated between 1 million and 1.5 million years BC (eoliths -chipped pebbles, thought to be the earliest known tools- at Monte Hermoso, also in Argentina, are believed to be between 1 and 2.5 million years old).
* A human tooth from Java yielding a date between 1 and 1.9 million years BC
* Incised bones, dated between 1.2 and 2.5 million BC, have been found in Italy
* Discoveries of paleoliths, cut and charred bones at Xihoudu in China and eoliths from Diring Yurlakh in Siberia dated to 1.8 million BC
* Eoliths in India, paleoliths in England, Belgium, Italy and Argentina, flint blades in Italy, hearths in Argentina, a carved shell, pierced teeth and even two human jaws all bearing a minimum date of 2 million years BC
Curiously enough, several of the very earliest artifact discoveries display a truly extraordinary level of sophistication. In Idaho, for example, a 2-million-year-old clay figurine was unearthed in 1912. But even this discovery does not mark an outer limit. Bones, vertebrae and even complete skeletons have been found in Italy, Argentina and Kenya. Their minimum datings range from 3 million to 4 million BC. A human skull, a partial human skeleton and a collection of neoliths discovered in California have been dated in excess of 5 million years. A human skeleton discovered at Midi in France, paleoliths found in Portugal, Burma and Argentina, a carved bone and flint flakes from Turkey all have a minimum age of 5 million years.
How far back can human history be pushed with discoveries like these? The answer seems to be a great deal further than orthodox science currently allows. As if the foregoing discoveries were not enough, we need to take account of:
* Paleoliths from France dated between 7 and 9 million BC
* An eolith from India with a minimum dating of 9 million BC
* Incised bones from France, Argentina and Kenya no less than 12 million years old
* More paleolith discoveries from France, dated at least 20 million years ago
* Neoliths from California in excess of 23 million years
* Three different kinds of paleoliths from Belgium with a minimum dating of 26 million BC
* An anatomically modern human skeleton, neoliths and carved stones found at the Table Mountain, California and dated at least 33 million years ago
But even 33 million years is not the upper limit. A human skeleton found in Switzerland is estimated to be between 38 and 45 million years old. France has yielded up eoliths, paleoliths, cut wood and a chalk ball, the minimum ages of which range from 45 to 50 million years.
There's still more.
In 1960, H. L. Armstrong announced in Nature magazine the discovery of fossil human footprints near the Paluxy River, in Texas. Dinosaur footprints were found in the same strata. In 1983, the Moscow News reported the discovery of a fossilised human footprint next to the fossil footprint of a three-toed dinosaur in the Turkamen Republic. Dinosaurs have been extinct for approximately 65 million years.
In 1983, Professor W. G. Burroughs of Kentucky reported the discovery of three pairs of fossil tracks dated to 300 million years ago. They showed left and right footprints. Each print had five toes and a distinct arch. The toes were spread apart like those of a human used to walking barefoot. The foot curved back like a human foot to what appeared to be a human heel. There was a pair of prints in the series that showed a left and right foot. The distance between them is just what you'd expect in modern human footprints.
In December 1862, The Geologist carried news of a human skeleton found 27.5 m (90 ft) below the surface in a coal seam in Illinois. The seam was dated between 286 and 320 million years BC. It's true that a few eoliths, skull fragments and fossil footprints, however old, provide no real backing for the idea of advanced prehistoric human civilisations.
But some other discoveries do.
In 1968, an American fossil collector named William J. Meister found a fossilised human shoe print near Antelope Spring, Utah. There were trilobite fossils in the same stone, which means it was at least 245 million years old. Close examination showed that the sole of this shoe differed little, if at all, from those of shoes manufactured today.
In 1897, a carved stone showing multiple faces of an old man was found at a depth of 40 m (130 ft) in a coal mine in Iowa. The coal there was of similar age.
A piece of coal yielded up an encased iron cup in 1912. Frank J. Kenwood, who made the discovery, was so intrigued he traced the origin of the coal and discovered it came from the Wilburton Mine in Oklahoma. The coal there is about 312 million years old.
In 1844, Scottish physicist Sir David Brewster reported the discovery of a metal nail embedded in a sandstone block from a quarry in the north of England. The head was completely encased, ruling out the possibility that it had been driven in at some recent date. The block from which it came is approximately 360 million years old.
On 22 June 1844, The Times reported that a length of gold thread had been found by workmen embedded in stone close to the River Tweed. This stone too was around 360 million years old.
Astonishing though these dates may appear to anyone familiar with the orthodox theory of human origins, they pale in comparison with the dates of two further discoveries.
According to Scientific American, dated 5 June 1852, blasting activities at Meeting House Hill, in Dorchester, Massachusetts, unearthed a metallic, bell-shaped vessel extensively decorated with silver inlays of flowers and vines. The workmanship was described as 'exquisite'. The vessel was blown out of a bed of Roxbury conglomerate dated somewhat earlier than 600 million years BC.
In 1993, Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson reported the discovery 'over the past several decades' of hundreds of metallic spheres in a pyrophyllite mine in South Africa. The spheres are grooved and give the appearance of having been manufactured. If so, the strata in which they were found suggest they were manufactured 2.8 billion years ago.
What are we to make of these perplexing discoveries? They cannot be simply brushed off. Great ancient monuments such as the pyramids of Egypt, Stonehenge and the giant stone balls of Costa Rica all indicate a level of intelligence not typically granted in modern scientific views of so-called 'primitive' humans.
I have long believed that in some distant past not recognised by modern science, humankind was far more advanced than we generally suppose. I believe that following such times, humankind entered a 'dark age'...the age that many of us recognise and typically ascribe to ancient humankind. The cause of such dark ages and the total lapse of advanced civilisation, I do not know. And whether the advancement, or even origins of that civilisation, came by way of extraterrestrial intervention, spiritual means or simple human ingenuity, I also do not know. Please be aware that I am NOT a creationist (especially of the biblical variety), nor am I an unquestioning supporter of the Darwinian theory of evolution. I hold no fixed stance on either of them. I believe that there is probably at least some degree of truth in BOTH of these versions of the origin of humankind. Astrobiologists now suspect that life began on Earth shortly after its formation...indicating that life evolves rather quickly and if such holds true, it's quite possible that life could have evolved to advanced levels of civilisation prior to the first anatomically modern human ever chipping a flint stone. On top of this, the legendary Greek philosopher Aristotle stated numerous times in his works that the arts and sciences had been discovered (rediscovered?) many, many times in the past. The ancient Greeks believed in a cyclical conception of Time consisting of four ages that continually rotate in this order: Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age and Iron Age
The ancient Indians also believed in a cyclical conception of Time consisting of four continually rotating ages that move in this order: Satya Yuga, Treta Yuga, Dwapar Yuga and Kali Yuga
A Golden Age corresponds to a Satya Yuga (the word 'yuga' in the ancient Sanskrit language means 'age'), a Silver Age corresponds to a Treta Yuga, a Bronze Age corresponds to a Dwapar Yuga and an Iron Age corresponds to a Kali Yuga.
It is interesting to note that in both the ancient Greek and the ancient Indian cyclical conception of Time, human civilisations first rise at the commencement of the Golden Age/Satya Yuga, they endure throughout the Treta and Dwapar Yugas and then finally dissipate towards the end of the Kali Yuga, with the exception of perhaps only several human survivors. And then these survivors repopulate Earth and pick up from where they left off. Thus, a new civilisation is born and the cycle continues. There are ancient Sanskrit writings which describe Satya Yuga as an age when humans lived in complete harmony with Nature. The weather is always very mild, almost perpetually spring-like, and there are no cities. The distinction between men and 'gods' (devas) is virtually non-existent. There is no need for technological devices of any sort, because whatever end today's technology serves could be achieved back then through their own innate abilities which were fully manifested at birth. People had a child-like innocence which they maintained throughout their incredibly lengthy lives. They were also very spiritual and had no desire to control or manipulate matter in any way whatsoever. Then comes Treta Yuga, which is when people start to build houses and cities to live in as a result of somewhat more unpredictable weather, political systems come into being and competition and conflicts between people start to arise. These are some of the symptoms that are typical of this particular age. The ancient Sanskrit writings figuratively state that in Treta Yuga, spirituality (dharma) among humankind decreases by about 25%. Then we move onto Dwapar Yuga, the age when doubt rears its ugly head. Wars become more common in this age. People become more and more obsessed with controlling things (ie. matter), the 'controlling' mentality becomes very prominent in this age. Nonetheless, the majority of people in the world still live their lives abiding by certain codes of ethics and usually never break these codes under any circumstances. The moral climate or level of spirituality (dharma) among humankind during this age decreases by about another 25%. And then we finally come to Kali Yuga, which is supposedly the current age that our modern human civilisation is in. It is commonly known as 'the age of quarrel and hypocrisy' and is a very intense age. The level of spirituality (dharma) among humankind during this age decreases by yet another 25%. The 'controlling' mentality reaches its peak and we develop technological contraptions such as planes, TVs, computers, cars, nuclear missiles etc. The irony of this age is that it seems as though we're making progress, yet our most undesirable and destructive traits receive full expression in this age and run alongside our so-called 'progress', thus pulling our so-called 'progress' down. It seems as though the less of a desire one has to control, the more control one will actually have. This is the fundamental paradox underlying each of the yugas. There are many interesting predictions described in the ancient Sanskrit writings about common occurrences in the Kali Yuga, here are only some of these: humans shall be murdered whilst still in their mother's wombs, wars shall eventuate under the pretense of God and dogmatic religious beliefs, starvation will become common, so-called 'justice' would only be delivered to those who have the most money, Earth will become progressively hotter (global warming?), sex will become the predominant motive (and often the ONLY motive) for starting a conjugal relationship and women will outnumber men
As you might have noticed, all of these prophesised occurrences are being fulfilled even as I type this message. If you read some of the ancient Vedic texts, you will find that they describe an almost forgotten time of the past where humankind had skyscrapers, flying machines (known in Sanskrit as vimanas), screens with moving pictures on them (this sounds suspiciously like a television to me), all the modern marvels, but something cataclysmic happened and that civilisation was tragically lost forever. There is a larger cycle of time known in Sanskrit as a manvantar. There are 14 manvantars in a single kalpa (a kalpa is a day in the life of Brahma/the universe). One manvantar has a duration of 308.57142 million years (and yes, that is indeed the number which is used..... check it out through this URL: http://encyclopediaofauthentichinduism.org/articles/48_the_exact_calculations.htm )
Each manvantar is ruled by a Manu. 'Manu' is a title accorded to the progenitor of humankind, the first king to rule this Earth. Manu is the original or primal man and his wife is the original or primal woman and it is their duty to initiate the population of Earth with human beings and establish a human civilisation during the manvantar they rule under. It is also Manu's duty to establish basic laws among human civilisation. These laws can be found in an ancient Sanskrit book known as Manusmriti. The Vedic writings of ancient India tell us that we currently live in the 7th manvantar which is ruled by Vaivasvat Manu. I think it is fascinating that modern paleontology tells us that there have been 6 major extinction events since the beginning of life on Earth approximately 2 billion years ago. The Vedic texts also state that life began on Earth approximately 2 billion years ago as well (during this particular cycle). And since we are supposedly in the 7th manvantar, this means that 6 manvantars have already elapsed. It is said that a global cataclysm wipes out most of the life on Earth at the end of each manvantar. Then at the start of the next manvantar, Earth becomes repopulated with life again from the organisms that remain. So I think that's an incredible 'coincidence' between what modern paleontology tells us and what the ancient Vedic texts are saying. Actually, to be honest, I have never truly believed that so-called 'coincidences' exist. The major difference between what modern paleontology is saying and what the ancient Vedic texts are telling us is that in the ancient Vedic texts, humans (and, by extension, human civilisations) have existed in each of the 6 previous manvantars BEFORE the 6 major extinction events occurred. In each manvantar, there is one 'overall' human civilisation as a whole (stemming from the early humans who are direct descendants of Manu) and countless sub-civilisations or minor civilisations spread across the Earth in each manvantar (for example, one could say that some of the minor civilisations that have risen and fallen in our current manvantar are the ancient Harappan civilisation, the ancient Roman civilisation, the ancient Egyptian civilisation etc). This seems like a pretty long post already, so I'll end it here. lol
In my next post, I will mention the myths of the ancient civilisations of Atlantis and Lemuria and how I consider them to be relevant to this thread. Stay tuned dudes, this thread is far from complete! 
Now you are sure that they weren't just very stupid back then? I mean something as complex as the human brain would probably take millions of years to develop. And are we sure that those skeletons are of actual homosapien variety? And even if we did have civilizations back then they probably wouldn't of been very advance as we have yet to find any plastic objects amongst the fossils. Heck any species could of became sentient, formed a civilization, and disappeared completely without as trace as long as the exectinction happened before they invented plastic.
Now you are sure that they weren't just very stupid back then? I mean something as complex as the human brain would probably take millions of years to develop. And are we sure that those skeletons are of actual homosapien variety? And even if we did have civilizations back then they probably wouldn't of been very advance as we have yet to find any plastic objects amongst the fossils. Heck any species could of became sentient, formed a civilization, and disappeared completely without as trace as long as the exectinction happened before they invented plastic.
According to the Darwinian theory of evolution, anatomically modern humans have existed on this planet for approximately 100-200 thousand years (to be honest, I have some doubts as to whether anatomically modern humans even originated on this planet). This might seem like a relatively long period of time to us, but in regard to geological divisions of time, it's equivalent to the blink of an eye. Even still, why would our species have been any more or less 'stupid' during those times? Stupidity is a relative and subjective concept. Also, how is plastic the only measure of whether a human civilisation was technologically advanced or not? I'm aware that plastic is a synthetic product, but is it the only measure of advanced human technology? Modern anthropologists (and most people in general) have some difficulty in embracing any other view of extremely ancient human civilisations other than the orthodox, linear and progressive view that the further back in time you go, the more technologically primitive human civilisations become. But if you truly think about it, if anatomically 'modern' humans have existed on Earth for 50 million years (for argument's sake), why wouldn't we be able to construct highly technologically advanced civilisations for ourselves even over a million years ago? What would stop us from achieving such things? Smaller brain size? I doubt it! Our planet's resources would still be much the same (such as water, oil, metals, minerals etc.), our curiosity would still be much the same and our general intelligence would still be much the same too. The knowledge learnt by the people of previous human civilisations could not have been vastly different from the knowledge that we humans can learn today. After all, we still have the same Sun, the same Moon, the same stars in our night sky and the same oceans that we had many millennia ago! I can easily believe that all of the different fields of knowledge we have accumulated in our present civilisation such as music, art, astrology, geology, astronomy, physics, biology, chemistry, medicine, mathematics, making weapons, alchemy and so on, have already been expounded by our human ancestors from distant past civilisations. We're only recycling this knowledge. Have you heard the phrase 'There's nothing new under the Sun'? Well, I believe that phrase has some truth to it. Also, don't forget that people in prehistoric times would've still experienced EXACTLY the same emotions as we do. We get angry, they also got angry. We shed tears, they also shedded tears. We fall in love, they also fell in love. We endure suffering, they also endured suffering. We celebrate our joy, they also celebrated their joy. Okay, I'll stop rambling now. I could honestly go on and on about this topic forever, I feel VERY passionately about it in case you haven't already noticed. lol
After reading that I'm looking forward to your post about Lemuria. I attended one section in the Nopsis (don't ask XD) that dealt with Lemuria. I've come to sorta believe that this idea may not be far-fetched at all.
When I get off from work I'll post again. Btw, thanks for sharing this information.
Has anyone noticed that in practically ALL supposed written accounts of Atlantis, it's NEVER described as a 'primitive' land? It seems to be universally agreed upon that Atlantis was a land of immense opulence and luxury. However, such an excessively materialistic and hedonistic lifestyle eventually led to the downfall of Atlantis. Some mythologies claim that Atlantis sunk into the ocean. However, sinking lands have long been established as geological impossibilities. Therefore, if Atlantis did indeed exist in the distant past, it is far more logical to believe that it met its demise as a result of rising water levels of the ocean that surrounded it (as opposed to Atlantis actually sinking into the ocean). The ancient Indian epic poem Ramayan describes a lost continent known as 'Rutas' which parallels Atlantis (and could possibly even be the same land!). Ramayan warns our current human civilisation of the dangerous consequences of debauchery and arrogance. It describes the people of Rutas as being very domineering. They were apparently a technologically advanced civilisation which possessed aircrafts known as 'Vailixi'. As their power grew in magnitude, they conquered more and more surrounding lands across the Earth. Nevertheless, they were responsible for their own destruction when they haphazardly launched a missile (possibly a nuclear one!) to defeat the Rama Empire of ancient India (a civilisation which rivalled Rutas in practically every aspect except that of morality, because the people of the Rama Empire were said to be more virtuous) whom they had sought to conquer and control. The missile was so incredibly destructive that not only did it disintegrate the Rama Empire, it also removed Rutas off the face of the Earth as well! As for Lemuria (which can also be known as 'Mu', although I personally think Mu might have been another forgotten land-mass..... if it even existed, that is!), it's another hypothetical lost continent. Some esoteric groups claim that the civilisation which existed in Lemuria predates even the civilisation of Atlantis. It is also sometimes said that Lemurian civilisation was extremely advanced both technologically and spiritually. This URL mentions 10 ancient advanced civilisations:
http://ufo.whipnet.org/creation/ancient.advanced.civilizations/index.html
Here is what that page says about Atlantis, Mu/Lemuria and the Rama Empire (which are the first three ancient advanced civilisations mentioned on that page):
"1. ANCIENT MU OR LEMURIA
According to various esoteric sources, the first civilization arose 78,000 years ago on the giant continent known as Mu or Lemuria and lasted for an astonishing 52,000 years. It is sometimes said to have been destroyed in earthquakes generated by a pole shift which occurred some 26,000 years ago, or at approximately 24,000 B.C.
While Mu did not reach as high a technology, supposedly, as other later civilizations, it is, nevertheless, said to have attained some advanced technology, particularly in the building of long-lasting megalithic buildings that were able to withstand earthquakes. However, it was the science of government that is sometimes said to have been Mu's greatest achievement.
Supposedly, there was one language and one government. Education was the keynote of the Empire's success, and because every citizen was versed in the laws of the universe and was given thorough training in a profession or trade, magnificent prosperity resulted. A child's education was compulsory to the age of 21 in order for him to be eligible to attend citizenship school. This training period lasted for seven years; so the earliest age at which a person could become a citizen of the empire was 28.
2. ANCIENT ATLANTIS
It is said that when the continent of Mu sank, the oceans of the world lowered drastically as water rushed into the newly formed Pacific Basin. The relatively small islands which had existed in the Atlantic during the time of the Lemurian civilization were left high and dry by the receding ocean. The newly emerged land joined the Poseid Archipelago of the Atlantic Ocean to form a small continent. This continent is called Atlantis by historians today, though its real name was Poseid.
Atlantis is believed to have taken technology to very advanced stages, well beyond what exists on our planet today. In the book A Dweller On Two Planets, first dictated in 1884 by Phylos the Tibetan to a young Californian named Frederick Spencer Oliver, as well as in a 1940 sequel, An Earth Dweller Returns, there is mention of such inventions and devices as air conditioners to overcome deadly and noxious vapors; airless cylinder lamps, tubes of crystal illuminated by the night side forces; electric rifles, guns employing electricity as a propulsive force (rail-guns are similar, and a very new invention); mono-rail transportation; water generators, an instrument for condensing water from the atmosphere; and the Vailix, an aerial ship governed by forces of levitation and repulsion.
The sleeping clairvoyant, Edgar Cayce, in a reading spoke of the use of aeroplanes and of crystals or firestones used for energy and related applications. He also speaks of the misuse of power and warnings of destruction to come.
3. RAMA EMPIRE OF INDIA
Fortunately, the ancient books of India's Rama Empire have been preserved, unlike those of China, Egypt, Central America and Peru. Many of these ancient nations are now either desert wastelands, swallowed by thick jungle or literally at the bottom of some ocean. Yet India, despite devastation by wars and invasion, managed to maintain a large part of its ancient history.
For a long time, Indian civilization was not believed to date from much earlier than about 500 B.C., only about 200 years prior to Alexander the Great's invasion of the subcontinent. In the past century, however, the extremely sophisticated cities of Mohenjo Daro (Mound Of The Dead) and Harappa have been discovered in the Indus Valley of modern-day Pakistan.
The discoveries of these cities forced archaeologists to push the dates for the origin of Indian civilization back thousands of years. A wonder to modern-day researchers, the cities were highly developed and caused leading archaeologists to believe that they were conceived as a whole before they were built: a remarkable early example of city planning. Even more remarkable is that the plumbing-sewage system throughout the large city is superior to that found in Pakistan, India and most Asian countries today."
Now I'm just playing devils advocate here but what if those humans from hundred of millions of years ago were just time travelers?
Now I'm just playing devils advocate here but what if those humans from hundred of millions of years ago were just time travelers?
That's a valid possibility, however unlikely it might be!
Okay. So how do we know these humans of prehistoric eras millions of years ago still had similar brains with similiar intellectual capacity to us?
Also I just noticed you didn't cite your sources.
I believe God created the Earth in six days.
I believe God created the Earth in six days.
Were each of these days 24 hours in length?
One would have to imagine since that's how long a day is.
No. Because a day is 23 hours and 59 minutes long.
Man, I'm always wrong!
Also you do realize this should be in the marble garden forum?
Next time you want people to read something, don't put it in massive wall of text form? Thanks.
... TL;DR.
Paragraphs, Squishster, Paragraphs! ^^;
Oh! Also? Stair's right on this one. Moving!
Paragraphs, Squishster, Paragraphs! ^^;
Oh! Also? Stair's right on this one. Moving!
Yeah, my bad with the paragraphs. I keep forgetting to use them, I'll try to remember using them more often from now on. Oh, and I considered posting this thread here in this Marble Garden forum, but I ended up posting it in the MF Central forum only because I had some doubt as to whether it was just a 'philosophical' thread or not. Thanks for moving it anyway. Mad props to you, dude!
Some believe that Atlantis and Lemuria were around partially at the same time and that the more scientific-rational group inhabited Atlantis, and Lemuria had more individuals that were more artistically and spiritually inclined. Some also believe that large-scale experiments which took place in Atlantis caused the eventual destruction of both civilizations because of dramatic geo-physical dislocations. Some believe that Mu was populated from another planet.
Someone form the Nopsis told me long ago I was a Lemurian. It's one of those things I Want To Believe... Oo
Some believe that Atlantis and Lemuria were around partially at the same time and that the more scientific-rational group inhabited Atlantis, and Lemuria had more individuals that were more artistically and spiritually inclined. Some also believe that large-scale experiments which took place in Atlantis caused the eventual destruction of both civilizations because of dramatic geo-physical dislocations. Some believe that Mu was populated from another planet.
Someone form the Nopsis told me long ago I was a Lemurian. It's one of those things I Want To Believe... Oo
What made that person think you were a Lemurian?
What made that person think you were a Lemurian?
It's part of the Nopsis... so according to the tarot and the regression and order of my past lives.
I have a feeling that with that line I'm going to loose all credibility from now on XD
No one is taking this thread seriously anyways.
Many people from the West are aware of a hypothetical lost continent located in the Indian Ocean known as Lemuria. But what most of them DON'T know is that the Tamil people of South India also have a legend concerning a destroyed landmass that was once located in the Indian Ocean. This landmass goes by the name of Kumari Kandam. I equate Kumari Kandam with Lemuria. Kumari Kandam is said to have been joined to the southernmost tip of India, to Madagascar and to the northernmost tip of Australia. There is a vast body of literature belonging to the Tamils called the Sangam literature. This body of literature contains 2381 poems written by 473 poets, some 102 of whom are anonymous authors. Poetry was (and still is) held in extremely high esteem by the Tamils, who view it as a highly refined way of expression. Sangam literature is primarily secular and deals with everyday themes in a South Indian context. There are many references to Kumari Kandam in the Sangam literature. In the Sangam literature, it is written that the southernmost border of India extended much further south than it does today. However, due to truly horrific flooding, this wide chunk of land was lost to the rest of our planet. The Sangam literature describes two successive inundations, both of which when combined caused Kumari Kandam to become lost to the sea. But there still seem to be subtle remaining traces of the ancient culture of Kumari Kandam that remain even today in South India. For example, there is currently a city called 'Madurai' which is located in the state of Tamil Nadu (in South India). But it isn't the same Madurai city described in ancient Indian historical writings. According to the ancient Indian epic poem Valmiki Ramayan, the ancient island of Lanka actually has no connection with the present island of Ceylon (even though there is commonly believed to be a connection). According to the Ramayan Of Valmiki, Sri Lanka was located 800 miles south of the Indian coast. If we take into account the geography mentioned in various puranas, we also see that the southern coast of India previously extended much further than it does at present. For example, as I have already alluded to earlier, there were three different cities that had the name Madurai in different periods. As the coast receded, each city became submerged in water and a new 'Madurai' was formed further inland. Thus, the exact location of where Sri Lanka was will be hard to ascertain, but certainly it was a distant land. That island of Lanka is no longer present, as it was submerged within the ocean. Geological features described in the Sangam literature include two main rivers of Kumari Kandam as the Pagruliyaru and the Kumari. It is also believed to have had numerous great cities containing large monuments and the foremost among those cities were the two first and second cities of Madurai. A Tamil scholar of the Medieval period called Adiyarkkunallar described the distance between the Prahuli and Kumari rivers of Kumari Kandam as 700 kavathams (a unit of measurement used by Tamils). This distance has been interpreted as being about 7,000 miles (11,000 km). Thus, Kumari Kandam (if indeed it once historically existed) was definitely a very large landmass which covered most of the Indian ocean. I do not believe that continents sink (or even that they CAN sink). I think that's a common geological misconception. According to my personal understanding, different lands can and do become submerged but it's due to a rising sea level. The Boxing Day tsunami of 2004 is a prime example of this. So I don't think that legends of Kumari Kandam should be dismissed as myths or figments of overactive imaginations. The 2004 Boxing Day tsunami has shown us just a sample of how devastating Nature can TRULY be. If we were to multiply the force of that tsunami about five times, then I think that's a fairly reasonable approximation of just how destructive the tsunami which submerged Kumari Kandam actually was. Based on what the Sangam literature has recorded, Kumari Kandam was completely submerged by water BEFORE Atlantis was destroyed. What this means is that Kumari Kandam would have been swallowed up by water OVERP 11,000 years ago AT THE VERY LEAST. This is an image showing what Kumari Kandam would have most likely looked like according to descriptions provided in the Sangam literature of Southern India:
I believe that Kumari Kandam may have been the 'Atlantis' of the Indian Ocean.
What if atlantis and lemuria were just islands that got their size over estimated. And why did the super advance societies of lemuria and atlantis only stick to one landmass?
IMO they were islands instead of continents. According to the Earth's topography there's no evidence for a big land mass under the ocean. However, there are islands all over including some next to India.
I heard somewhere the Lemurians migrated to Easter Island in the coast of Peru and settled there. Eventually they migrated to the South American continent.
I'd still like to see where you got that ball of steels in africa from billions of years ago story from. You provide alot of ancedotes about these strange relics but have no sources to back them up.
I'd still like to see where you got that ball of steels in africa from billions of years ago story from. You provide alot of ancedotes about these strange relics but have no sources to back them up.
All of the sources for these archaeological discoveries can be found in Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson's seminal book Forbidden Archaeology. Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson dedicate DOZENS upon DOZENS of pages to METICULOUSLY cite their sources and, in some instances, provide photographs of the archaeological discoveries in question. I've went to my local library to borrow the condensed version of their book Forbidden Archaeology (entitled The Hidden History Of The Human Race) several times already and, in my opinion, it's a highly riveting book. Honestly, I'm not going to bother typing out all of the sources provided in Forbidden Archaeology/The Hidden History Of The Human Race. Buy one and/or both of these books yourself, borrow them from a library or read online versions of them. Most of the information provided by me in this thread was taken from those books.
