But then again, I don't care about either movie. Or the Academy Awards for that matter. Or the Golden Globes. Or the Emmy Awards. Or the Grammy Awards...
You get the picture.
Or the Grammy Awards...
I never cared for those ones myself.
Crash was an absolutely fantastic film. It was definitely my favourite for Best Picture, though I expected it to go to Brokeback Mountain. I'm glad to see Crash won out in the end though. Heath Ledger should've got Best Actor though.
All I cared was the Brookback DIDN'T win...
There were awards? I just watched it for Jon Stewart XD
I kid. I didn't watch the Oscars. I found a torrent this morning that had just the monologues and the special clips, and just watched that. And I feel fine ^_^
All I cared was the Brookback DIDN'T win...
Uh, why?
Because it's a grossly overrated movie that wouldn't have gotten nearly as much attention had it not been about gay cowboys?
Crash won because it was full of the safe controversy that the white middle class neo-con suburbanities can get behind when they want to feel 'edgy and worldly'. They'd much rather admit to Crash's message that "Everyone's a little bit racist" than Brokeback's "Sometimes even the manliest of men (such as cowboys) love other men sexually." Brokeback had too much controversy to win Best Picture. Crash had just enough.
Let's face it, Americans prefer their homoeroticism to be more figurative than literal, like in 80's action films starring Ahnald or Stallone. You know, the films filled with woman-hating muscle-bound men who go through three tubs of baby oil every barechested day. The films where female love interests are cast aside for the manly company of other men ('Top Gun', I'm looking at YOU).
That said, at least Jon Stewert did a good job and Wallace and Gromit won.
Uhh... wonder, the whole point to Brokeback was the gay cowboys. =S
Eh, the only thing I was especially displeased about was Reese Witherspoon's 'victory' speech. If she never expected to get up on that stage, then why was she LOBBYING for it? Bah.
Yeah, I TiVoed it for Jon Stewart alone. He was awesome... unfortunately those star-pricks didn't think so. A-holes.
Next year should be Triumph the Insult Comic Dog. That'd be something awesome to watch... ... ... you know the rest. X3
(Shrugs)
Neither Serenity, nor Wallace and Gromit, nor even Sideways won.
I have no faith in the Oscars.
Wallace won Best Animated Film o.o
Yeah dude, and Sideways was last year. And it wasn't the best film either in my opinion, it fell behind Million Dollar Baby and Aviator.
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Wallace won Best Animated Film
Yeah, I guessed it would.
I just think it may have deserved best film.
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Sideways was last year.
So was Crash.
He meant Sideways was at last year's Oscars, silly.
No no no, Sideways came out in 2004 and was up for the 2004 Best Picture. Crash was in 2005.
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No no no, Sideways came out in 2004
Not here, it didn't.
I just think it may have deserved best film.
Ever since 1992, Animated movies have been seperated into a different category so they can never win Best Film.
Had Beauty and the Beast pulled it off back then, it'd be a different story.
Wallace got the best it was going to get.
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Not here, it didn't.
And your point is... what?
Crash won because it was full of the safe controversy that the white middle class neo-con suburbanities can get behind when they want to feel 'edgy and worldly'. They'd much rather admit to Crash's message that "Everyone's a little bit racist" than Brokeback's "Sometimes even the manliest of men (such as cowboys) love other men sexually." Brokeback had too much controversy to win Best Picture. Crash had just enough.
Pretty much. Everyone who says Brokeback is "overrated" and that "people only like it because it has gay cowboys", hasn't seen it and watches too much Fox News.
I don't really like the Oscars, mostly because of the segregation of animated movies and the fact that they're probably rigged, but I am glad Brokeback Mountain didn't win, just because I'm getting really sick of hearing about it (even though it pobably only lost because the Acadamy is spineless)
Oh, and "It's hard out here for a pimp"? WTF?
they're probably rigged
Man, what? The winners are picked by a panel of judges. How can you rig a system like that?
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Pretty much. Everyone who says Brokeback is "overrated" and that "people only like it because it has gay cowboys", hasn't seen it and watches too much Fox News.
That, or people just don't like the idea of two men leaving their families for each other and having the movie basically saying adultery is 'okay'.
That, or people just don't like the idea of two men leaving their families for each other and having the movie basically saying adultery is 'okay'.
The award is for "Best Picture" as in the best-directed, best-shot, best-acted, and best-written film of the year, not "Picture Whose Message We Happen To Agree With The Most". Also, what you just described has almost nothing to do with the movie. Watch it before making pronouncements like that.
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Because it's a grossly overrated movie that wouldn't have gotten nearly as much attention had it not been about gay cowboys?
That's like saying that March of the Penguins wouldn't have gotten as much attention if it hadn't been about penguins. While probably true, it's still an absurd statement.
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Everyone who says Brokeback is "overrated" and that "people only like it because it has gay cowboys", hasn't seen it and watches too much Fox News.
4 out of 5 dentists agree: watching conservative media networks will not adversely affect your ability to appreciate quality filmmaking!
Personally, I hate Brokeback Mountain because I'm a conservative and all conservatives are evil homophobes. I also hate the environment and poor people.
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The award is for "Best Picture" as in the best-directed, best-shot, best-acted, and best-written film of the year
I know. I was only adding another reason to your list of why people don't watch it.
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Also, what you just described has almost nothing to do with the movie. Watch it before making pronouncements like that.
Everyone I know who's seen Brokeback Mountain walked out before it was over. Those who sat through it either didn't like it, or enjoyed it for the scenic backgrounds.
And to be frank, I wouldn't want to watch a movie where someone leaves their family for another (and the movie then justifies it by saying love is a force of nature, uncontrollable and unstoppable...which kind of doesn't mix well with something called 'self-control', but that's beside the point).
Oh well, I didn't watch it, and I don't intend to. If you liked it, fine by me.
Don't forget racists!
Everyone I know who's seen Brokeback Mountain walked out before it was over. Those who sat through it either didn't like it, or enjoyed it for the scenic backgrounds.
As far as I could tell, none of the 550 people in the theatre left when I was watching it. Also, that sentence doesn't make any sense at all, unless you're trying to speak for everyone who didn't walk out of a showing of Brokeback Mountain.
And to be frank, I wouldn't want to watch a movie where someone leaves their family for another
That would be fine, except for the fact that that's hardly an accurate or complete description of what happens in the film.
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As far as I could tell, none of the 550 people in the theatre left when I was watching it.
To be fair, I live in Alabama, and you live in Canada, so I'm sure there's a big difference in tastes. I'm just saying that the overall opinion of Brokeback Mountain was a big negative.
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That would be fine, except for the fact that that's hardly an accurate or complete description of what happens in the film.
I'm not saying it is. I'm just listing as a reason as to why. I would post a parody of the movie (reenacted by bunnies!) but someone might kill me for it.
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And to be frank, I wouldn't want to watch a movie where someone leaves their family for another
Walk The Line?
Never saw Walk the Line.
And was the situation the same (in Brokeback Mountain, the two men are married, yet see each other behind the backs of their wives and children)?
And was the situation the same (in Brokeback Mountain, the two men are married, yet see each other behind the backs of their wives and children)?
For the third time, watch the Goddam movie.
Johnny Cash was a married with children crossover country western singer on a massive tour with Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis Presley and June Carter. What do you THINK happened?
Huh, or maybe "Midnight Cowboy" was just ahead of it's time.
Or maybe "Crash" really was the better film. I found that the message in "Crash" was less about racism and more about communication, how dysfunctional communication styles escalate situations. I totally missed the "everyone is a little bit racist" message.
All in all, "Crash" was a dang good film. I think everyone who watched it came away re-assessing their moral system.
As far as Philip S. Hoffman getting best actor, well he was playing a historical figure, as was Reese Witherspoon. The academy loves historical figures since they can guage "did this make me believe" against a real person. Heather Ledger didn't have that advantage.
Then again "Good night, and good luck" is also a historical drama, and it got jack, of course it had some stiff competition, with the other historical drama, "Munich".
Jimro
Heather Ledger
Heath, Jimro. :p
Both Crash and Brokeback Mountain were very good films. I just think the "OMG GAY COWBOY" hype hindered its chances. Sometimes, the pre-Oscar hype helps a film (but makes the winner obvious) but on the other hand, there was obviously so much hype that people just got sick of it and voted for the lesser-known Crash.
Both are good movies, and both deserved to win the picture Oscar. Just...not in the same year.
And Ultra, I work at a movie theatre. In the four months it's been out, there has been thousands of people who have watched it. Not one person has walked out in the middle of it, and believe me, I would know, because my concession stand is right next to the theatre they show it in.
Heck, I've seen old men in their 60's come out of it with tears in their eyes. Several of my very straight male teachers, and at least one self-proclaimed conservative, has told me that Brokeback is a beautiful movie.
Oh, and not to spoil it, but the men don't leave their families. Thought you should know that, since you obviously don't plan on seeing it. But that's part of the whole point of the film.
Heck, I've seen old men in their 60's come out of it with tears in their eyes. Several of my very straight male teachers, and at least one self-proclaimed conservative, has told me that Brokeback is a beautiful movie.
Hahahahaha, that just made that conservative guy gay! OHSNAPS. But yeah, I have like big, super guy friends, as in like the type that are usually the gay bashers, or just all-around big tough guy types, and they've come back telling me the movie was really freakin' good, though admittedly one of them said "Yes, I was a little embarrassed and disturbed watching some of the @#%!, but it was a damn good movie."
As far as myself? Eh, I'm not gonna watch it. It's not cuz there's gays, and it's not cuz they're cowboys, (why do I always think back to the film-festival episode of SouthPark when I think BrokeBack...), I just don't care for the movie. Don't care for the topic. I also definately don't care for such enormous hype and especially stupid made up controversy over the film, and that makes me no want to see it, either.
If people weren't bitchin' about, I'd go see it when I can use my $5 movie card. Tha's just me though. 😛 My friend also told me about Crash... I shoulda freakin' bought when I saw it used at the store. RARGH.
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And Ultra, I work at a movie theatre. In the four months it's been out, there has been thousands of people who have watched it. Not one person has walked out in the middle of it, and believe me, I would know, because my concession stand is right next to the theatre they show it in.
Heck, I've seen old men in their 60's come out of it with tears in their eyes. Several of my very straight male teachers, and at least one self-proclaimed conservative, has told me that Brokeback is a beautiful movie.
If I recall, you live in New York (near Rome, IIRC). As I said earlier, I live in Alabama. Tastes are (I'm very sure) very different down here. And people who've seen the movie that I've talked to weren't very positive about it.
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Oh, and not to spoil it, but the men don't leave their families. Thought you should know that, since you obviously don't plan on seeing it. But that's part of the whole point of the film.
I'm aware of that. They continue to see each other while maintaining the guise of being family men anyway, is that not true?
You know, I guess I must have typed "Heather" instead of "Heath", but I sure don't remember doing that. Guess I'm getting senile, suffering from sometimers.
And since "Heather" is a real name, spellcheck wouldn't bother me...
Gotta go take my geritol.
Jimro
The only complaint I have about the Best Picture category this year is that Walk the Line wasn't nominated!
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To be fair, I live in Alabama, and you live in Canada, so I'm sure there's a big difference in tastes. I'm just saying that the overall opinion of Brokeback Mountain was a big negative.
O.o Montana and Alabama. I'm pretty sure these states may have the same general tastes, but everyone up here loved Brokeback Mountain. So, It makes me wonder...o.o That's all. Not trying to say "OMG LIKE THE MOVIE Ultra."
Also, I was glad to hear Crash won {Since I didn't watch the Oscars}. I bought that movie on a whim {Casue I always buy movies I never hear much about and give them a shot} Easily best movie I had seen in late 2005 {Sans Narnia}
Well, just saying what everyone else I know thought of it.
And honestly, I never heard of Crash before the Academy Awards. Well actually, I read about it on a review site (Filmforce IGN). They gave it a 2 out of 5.
And FYI DL, IGN gave Narnia a 2.5 out of 5.
IGN blows.
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The only complaint I have about the Best Picture category this year is that Walk the Line wasn't nominated!
Walk The Line suffered from the same disease that Ray did last year: Phenomenal acting, pretty okay movie. The movie wound up being less than the sum of its parts.
Aw, come on ultra, you just hate the movie because it had gay guys in it. 
Don't make me bring out the bunny parody. I swear I will! }:O
And just for the record, that's just one reason.
You know, I guess I must have typed "Heather" instead of "Heath", but I sure don't remember doing that. Guess I'm getting senile, suffering from sometimers.
And since "Heather" is a real name, spellcheck wouldn't bother me...
Gotta go take my geritol.
Naah, I just kind of thought it funny. Heather Ledger...it actually kind of rhymes. ;D
*imagines Ledger in a dress*
...*shies away from the thought* o__o;
And just for the record, that's just one reason.
Are you sure that isn't the main reason? 🙂
And to answer your question....yes, they do see each other when they are married. But they don't do it, like, every three seconds, and again, I say that part of the movie is that they are trying not to see each other again. That is why they get married (and I believe Ennis gets married twice) and have families - but because "Love is a force of nature" (the tagline of the movie!) they cannot resist it no matter what they do...resulting in the now oft-used line of "Why can't I quit you?"
Hence, if you saw the movie or heard of it accurately, you would know this. 🙂
And honestly, I never heard of Crash before the Academy Awards. Well actually, I read about it on a review site (Filmforce IGN). They gave it a 2 out of 5.
IGN is the last place I would go to look up a movie review. A game review, maybe. But a movie review?
I haven't seen all of Crash yet (I only caught glimpses of it in the summer when I was ushering) but what I saw was still quite powerful - when one character is talking to his dying mother, I believe.
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And to answer your question....yes, they do see each other when they are married. But they don't do it, like, every three seconds, and again, I say that part of the movie is that they are trying not to see each other again. That is why they get married (and I believe Ennis gets married twice) and have families - but because "Love is a force of nature" (the tagline of the movie!) they cannot resist it no matter what they do...resulting in the now oft-used line of "Why can't I quit you?"
I know it's not every three seconds (that'd be silly). If I recall correctly, they meet together at an annual 'fishing trip' that doesn't really have any fishing, correct?
And 'Love is a force of nature'...perhaps. However, it implies that humans have no self-control (in regards to the main characters). Take the fact that the two cowboys (no wait, they're not even cowboys are they? They're sheepherders, right?) were married after their first summer at Brokeback Mountain, and they don't see each other for a few years. When they find each other again, they start seeing each other without telling their wives. No matter how you slice it, it's infidelity. Even if they were trying to quit each other (as it seems to be), seeing each other anyway wouldn't really be helpful. They could have at least tried to get help otherwise.
Here's a hypothetical situation: you're a married man. Good wife, a couple of kids. A family man, basically. Then a childhood friend (or a good buddy from any timeframe) suddenly returns into your life (male or female). You both had a thing for each other way back when, and you both still do. What should the married man do? Scratch that; what would be the RIGHT thing for him to do?
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IGN is the last place I would go to look up a movie review. A game review, maybe. But a movie review?
Any suggestions?
What should the married man do? Scratch that; what would be the RIGHT thing for him to do?
He should obviously deny every single indicator that his mind and feelings are giving him and stay in his loveless marriage.
Because hey, if marriage wasn't so sacred, half of them would end in divorce! ...Oh, wait.
