In answer to your second question, for me they're a total gimmick. But that could be because I've been wearing glasses since I was 6, so the idea of putting on yet another pair to watch TV (on top of the originals, no less), appeals to me not one jot. I don't bother with 3D at the cinema either - especially since it costs another couple of quid on the admission.

Having said that, however, if I won a competition for one, that would be fine.

But then I've still got a CRT non-widescreen television, so I don't think I'm the target market I'm more interested in knowing when BluRay hard disk recorders with built-in Freeview tuners are going to drop below £250...

DW

i swear i was just like you in my opinion darkwing, i thought they'd even give me a headache but then i went to a few tv stores with that naggy cute person who wants to buy a 3D tv and when i tried it out. i was worried it'd bother me since i wear glasses, but it didnt. they make it in a way its big enough to fit all and with glasses. its very light too, doesnt hurt the nose bridge. well the samsung one anyway.

i'm not good with technology so much but talking about bluray, i think i read it has an adabter to make a tv with HIMDI into 3D ... or was that a PS3???

anyway right now even though i was against the DS being 3D i'm starting to find it fun. espacially with CG movies. i know there arent a lot but i dont mind watching a good movie lots of times. so having a 3D option will make it more fun. waaaaa imagine a 3D game XD okay now i'm really liking the idea.

If you can, I'd wait a bit for the technology to become a bit more established (and therefore cheaper). Maybe it's just me, but $1k on a TV seems an awful lot! Having said that, I fully expect to see Jaws 3D by 2015 (along with hoverboards, hover conversions and Mr Fusion)

DW

For what it's worth, there's already been 3D games. Avatar runs on a 3D TV and the goty edition of Batman: Arkham Asylum supposedly supports 3D although iirc that's with the typical type of 3D glasses. As for 3DTVs I honestly can't see the point; they're too expensive and there's not enough 3DTV to justify the price, let alone considering that the 3D films we have aren't exactly showcasing a good reason why everything should move to 3D.

As for the 3DS, I'll have to wait and see if it'll be good but at the least it doesn't require a ridiculously expensive television nor the need for glasses to play.

Isn't the whole point of a TV to be lazy? Having to use glasses means you have to like, bother to put them on, and you can't do other things while watching.

I wouldn't bother. If they're meant to be the next best thing they'll drop in price at a later point and you could get one then. They'll have more support then too. If they aren't meant to be you won't have wasted a rediculous amount of money.

I'd love to have one, as many computer games are going 3D now, including some of my favorites. However it's only three years or so since I got my HD 32" flatscreen for use with my PS3, and to throw that out altrady just to spend a lot of extra cash just isn't worth it yet.

What's more, there's the cost issue as others have already said - 3D is massivley expensive right now. Add to that the fact that it's a new technology, and so like all new tech will have teething problems and glitches until it becomes more established...even HD was dodgy when it first came out. And so altogether, I'm in much the same boat as most others who have already commented: I'mma wait until price drop/reliabillity increase before taking the plunge. And I'll get the full life out of my HD set along the way.

I can't stand 3D. It's a pointless gimmick that refuses to go away because someone decided there was money to be made from it. There has not been a single movie released that has warranted the bland, overpriced image overlaying that 3D is.

For what it's worth, there's already been 3D games. Avatar runs on a 3D TV and the goty edition of Batman: Arkham Asylum supposedly supports 3D although iirc that's with the typical type of 3D glasses.

oh still, after going to so many shops and trying it out i've changed my mind about 3D, i'm not ashamed to say i was wrong. its awsome!

and only mitsubishi sells it at 1000 dollars most will go as high as 3k like sony and samsung... so i agree the price is too high, like for example HD 32'' tvs cost around 500 dollars maybe less. when they used to cost so much more when they first came out. but the reason i want a 3D tv now is cause i'm worried it will be canceled.

remember the "virtual reality" era? people went nuts over them and suddenly stopped. and i didnt buy it so i never got to try it out ever. i really regret never been able to enjoy it in its time. i dont want the 3D tv thing to disappear before i tried it... also waiting is gonna be hard with that person XD i think there's a way to transform an HD 32'' tv into 3D if i can buy the starter pack. but i dont know how to make it work. i read some people saying it worked well.... but i dont get it fully.

    "I can't stand 3D. It's a pointless gimmick that refuses to go away because someone decided there was money to be made from it"

dont we all go to those 3D theaters? instead of going out just stay in and enjoy it that's the whole idea. its good entertainment. although some people cant see 3D imagining surprisingly there are those with no depth perception, so its not for everyone. 

     "Isn't the whole point of a TV to be lazy? Having to use glasses means you have to like, bother to put them on, and you can't do other things while watching" 

i hate talking during movies or doing other stuff anyway, so to me its not a problem   but really wont it be cool if your tv can switch from 2D to 3D anytime you wanted. tvs last for years i think its a good deal. though like most said in a few months the price will go lower and lower.

still  having something when its out has a certain pleasure to it. and i really didnt see any problem with the tvs they were excellent.

    "I can't stand 3D. It's a pointless gimmick that refuses to go away because someone decided there was money to be made from it"

dont we all go to those 3D theaters? instead of going out just stay in and enjoy it that's the whole idea. its good entertainment. although some people cant see 3D imagining surprisingly there are those with no depth perception, so its not for everyone. 

     "Isn't the whole point of a TV to be lazy? Having to use glasses means you have to like, bother to put them on, and you can't do other things while watching" 

i hate talking during movies or doing other stuff anyway, so to me its not a problem   but really wont it be cool if your tv can switch from 2D to 3D anytime you wanted. tvs last for years i think its a good deal. though like most said in a few months the price will go lower and lower.

Never seen a 3D film - certainly wouldn't pay on top of a normal ticket price.  No, hang on, I lie, I saw Muppets 3D Vision in Disney World, if that counts?  But in that case, Statler & Waldorf actually *were* in the theatre

I like to surf the net or knit or (God help me) iron during movies / TV.  I can see that being migraine-inducing.

Still, that's OK because I won't be buying one anyway.  I'm sure I recall being interested in hi-tech at one point.  What happened?

DW

dont we all go to those 3D theaters? instead of going out just stay in and enjoy it that's the whole idea. its good entertainment. although some people cant see 3D imagining surprisingly there are those with no depth perception, so its not for everyone.

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Unless I'm on a date, I don't go to movie theaters period. So, no, we don't all go to 3D theaters--we don't even all go to theaters in the first place. I still don't bother with HDTV much (there are 2 HDTVs that were relatively speaking recently purchased, but I usually watch TV on the only non-HD TV set), and definitely not the HD channels (even when I'm actually using the HDTVs). So, nope, I have zero interest in the 3D stuff.

I have no interest at all in 3-D because I get dizzy and motion sick very easily. Video games started making me dizzy back in the PSX era, and it's gotten to the point where I can't play any modern games at all outside of the DS. =/ 

Unless I'm on a date, I don't go to movie theaters period. So, no, we don't all go to 3D theaters--we don't even all go to theaters in the first place. I still don't bother with HDTV much (there are 2 HDTVs that were relatively speaking recently purchased, but I usually watch TV on the only non-HD TV set), and definitely not the HD channels (even when I'm actually using the HDTVs). So, nope, I have zero interest in the 3D stuff.

but red you're a gamer right? games like halo, ff... and so much more are too wonderful to be played on a regular tv, you cant get the full gaming experiance without an HD tv espacially 32'' and more. right now owning an HD 32'' tv is in the modren style of this year. 3D will soon be part of the fashion too. and i see why, i can read the text in games more clearly and i sit much further away from the tv then i used to with the bigger HD tvs, with the 3D i'll have to sit even more further back. 

although to be honest i'm worried about the DS 3D size. if i'm gonna put it close to my eyes it might cause me headaches. i wish the DS would be just a bit more bigger. 
albino, i dont know how the DS doesnt make you dizzy, it hurts my head, eyes and neck i dont know how to sit and play with it XD i only play the DS laying on my tummy so i never take it anywhere with me. but i do love it still.

   "I like to surf the net or knit or (God help me) iron during movies / TV.  I can see that being migraine-inducing"

3D movies will be action based or very eventful, so if you're the type that doesnt like to listen to the long dialog but enjoy the movie its probably will fit you XD although picturing you ironing clothes while wearing 3D glasses is kinda funny.. then again just wearing the glasses will make us all look dorky couch potatoes.

.... hope i made sense i'm kinda sick took me a long time to type this XD but i'll defend 3D tvs no matter what cant let it disappear like virtual reality.

The DS doesn't make me dizzy because most of the games for it are pretty flat. The only game I have for it that's made me dizzy is Super Mario 64. I don't have any problem playing with it, I just do it like I would any other handheld. Guitar Hero is the only game for it that I have to keep a very specific posture (and take breaks to twist my arm and wrist :< ). Sometimes I get neck and shoulder tics and feel the need for pressure there, so I wrap a blanket or stuffed animal around them.

Unless I'm on a date, I don't go to movie theaters period. So, no, we don't all go to 3D theaters--we don't even all go to theaters in the first place. I still don't bother with HDTV much (there are 2 HDTVs that were relatively speaking recently purchased, but I usually watch TV on the only non-HD TV set), and definitely not the HD channels (even when I'm actually using the HDTVs). So, nope, I have zero interest in the 3D stuff.

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but red you're a gamer right? games like halo, ff... and so much more are too wonderful to be played on a regular tv, you cant get the full gaming experiance without an HD tv espacially 32'' and more. right now owning an HD 32'' tv is in the modren style of this year. 3D will soon be part of the fashion too. and i see why, i can read the text in games more clearly and i sit much further away from the tv then i used to with the bigger HD tvs, with the 3D i'll have to sit even more further back. 

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I don't care about graphics. Graphics have pretty much no effect on the "gaming experience" for me. It's similar to the fact that I don't care about the music when I play games either. As long as I can see/read (when necessary as I do like RPGs or RPG-like elements at times), I am fine as far as graphics goes. As long as the music doesn't annoy me (and it is pretty hard for music to annoy me), I'm fine. The TV used has no bearing on the gaming experience. A basketball game is a basketball game. A RPG is a RPG. A strategy
game is a strategy game. A fighting game is a fighting game. If the story or gameplay is right, then I will enjoy. The other stuff doesn't matter. I've never played a video game on an HDTV and I don't feel I'm missing anything. I've looked at shows on HDTV and there's no difference between a "regular" TV and an HDTV in terms of my experience. The same would be true of playing video games. The only reason I know that I'll eventually play games on an HDTV is that those are almost considered "standard" now. So, the next time I get a TV, it'll be HDTV as I figure my last "regular" TV (to which the X-Box 360 is currently connected) will breakdown before the HDTVs do (or at least I hope so as the HDTVs are less than 2 years old while the "regular" TV is over 10 years old).

You are "speaking" to someone who is never concerned with what is considered "en vogue." I'm only concerned with what I need. I don't need 3DTVs, so I'm not interested. If it were up to me, they would still be making games for the Dreamcast (and its generation of consoles) and I wouldn't have an X-Box 360 (which I've only had for a year and was the first console I got since the Dreamcast back in 2000). I don't mind having "newer" consoles. I just wish that they'd actually keep making games for all the old ones (even as old as the NES... I should actually check if that still works) as well.

While I'm sure you love your upgraded stuff, I don't care and I never will. I might be relatively technologically savy, but I rarely get caught up in "ooohhh, new, must have!"-stuff ever. I only upgrade when I absolutely must or I don't like what I currently have. As far as TVs go, I'm more than satisfied.

i went to check out the prices on the 3D tvs (yes i'm still trying to get one :P)  and i was shocked to see a sonic game in display. i didnt know sonic had 3D games.
it was a game i never played and had really great graphics.... i then realized it was sonic unleashed. it looked amazing. though weird i should find sonic on tv like that. i feel like i didnt know how big sonic is in the world.

and sorry i didnt reply before red i get side tracked. 
okay i get what you mean dear, but think about how you want to read the text in rpg games dont you need to sit close to the tv to be able to read the text? for me its hard to see it from far with a regular tv and worse up close but ever since we got an HDTV its been much easier... this will explain the resoultion

oh and 3DTVs have now met their match against stronger tvs ... the hirtz on the new ones is insane. we might never need to use 60 htz tvs again. i'm glad you're content with your tv though red, i cant do that i always want new stuff X__X i know i'm spoiled and greedy at times but they make such attractive things i cant resist them.

I use whether I can read subtitles etc. comfortably from my sofa as a handy gauge as to whether I need to get my eyes tested. If I can't read them properly, it's time to head for Specsavers.

DW

XD darkwing i'd love to go shopping with you, you're the someone that wont fall for false advertisment and wont come home with empty pockets and a load of useless items.

waaaaaaaa but i want that little bit better resoultion, i might not need it but its not about having enough but having the best.  i mean i cant buy a car but a better tv yes, so why not allow myself to buy it besides it makes all the other stuff i get like movies and video games better looking. and seeing how sonic looked in 3Dtv makes me love sonic more even if his games are too hard.

As far as 3D tvs go, I could care less. I will admit I enjoy watching movies in 3D (as long as it's not that red and blue crap as I'm semi-colorblind and have hard time making out reds sometimes), but I like to keep that isolated as an outing sort of thing. I don't really want to watch 3D in my house. I have never sat down and watched a movie all the way through (at home) without stopping to go do something or other (I remeber it took me 5 or 6 hours to watch Schindler's List becuase of the constant breaks), so having to put on then take off the glasses all the time could get disorienting and very quickly become more of a hassle than a form of entertainment. As far as HD, yeah I'll bite, if only because there are alot of 360 games that are barely legible without the HD (I'm looking at you Dead Rising and C&C 3). I seriously got a headache trying to play DR on a standard televison set, never again. 3D gaming. I look to at as possibly an evolution more so than movies. I can see 3D being useful in videogames (like judging depth when making jumps), but I proabably couldn't set in front of my tv with galsses playing 3D games (same problem with 3D movies in my home). So in that sense 3DS appeals to me more than console 3D games.

I think they should be trying to push 4K resolution (4096 x 2304). Some cameras can do that!

I just got a new 32" TV and a Blu Ray player... was going to get a Blu Ray 3D player until I realized what a mess the entire thing is. You need both a 3D TV + 3D Player + individual 3D glasses = forget it.

congrats on the new HDTV and blu ray player hiro  

and actually, not a lot of people are buying the 3D tvs now so there's a special offer, the 3D player, 2 glasses and 2 movies come with the 3Dtv  .... that's the 40'' one that's less than 2000 dollars now.  if you try to buy the larger 3Dtvs they throw an extra glasses and home theater speakers.

i think i should stop hovering around the sony store >___<  i want that tv so bad. they should take pity on me and at least give me the box to idolize.

congrats on the new HDTV and blu ray player hiro  

and actually, not a lot of people are buying the 3D tvs now so there's a special offer, the 3D player, 2 glasses and 2 movies come with the 3Dtv  .... that's the 40'' one that's less than 2000 dollars now.  if you try to buy the larger 3Dtvs they throw an extra glasses and home theater speakers.

i think i should stop hovering around the sony store >___<  i want that tv so bad. they should take pity on me and at least give me the box to idolize.

Less than $2000 for a television?  I should hope so!  My last TV cost me £399 I think and my next one had better not cost more than that.  And had better last for more than a decade...

(Besides, how Hi-Def can you get if you're watching Knight Rider & Alias Smith & Jones? )

DW

okay i get what you mean dear, but think about how you want to read the text in rpg games dont you need to sit close to the tv to be able to read the text?

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I have no need to sit close as I have pretty good eye-sight. If/when I start having problems reading the text, then I'll definitely know that I need to start seriously thinking about getting glasses. I'm currently the only one in my immediate family that doesn't wear any. Of course, the same was true for my mom until she hit her late 50s. I forgot what age my dad ended up wearing his glasses. My younger sister only had to wear glasses as young as she did due to an accident when she was in elementary school. Besides, with most games "talking" nowadays, reading the text on the screen usually isn't a big deal for RPGs outside of gathering information from NPCs at times.

that's terrible about your sister's accident... though i'm glad your eye sight is good.

and you beat me again -____-  you're right about games today having dialog sound  you're really clever you'd win arguments in debates for sure! join the marble garden!
oh and darkwing, we might get cheaper 3D tvs, if nintendo can make a 3D screen without glasses so will sony XD and the regular 3Dtvs will be cheaper for us to buy just as HD is now.

Isn't the whole point of a TV to be lazy? Having to use glasses means you have to like, bother to put them on, and you can't do other things while watching.

This. And putting aside the supposed "advancement" of something feeling more real, I feel fairly content with our current TVs anyway. Frankly, as far as technology goes I wish it would go into more important things than this. -.-

but you know the way its advancing we can have the video high quality technology as imagined through futurstic fiction. i want everything better and for tvs to be able to reflect more detail... i dont like choppy images and the more real it feels the more fun it is.

i mean take the old star wars as fun as that was you'd get bothered by how fake the ships looked.. but newer graphics that usues better video quality makes you almost forget its make believe XD and with 3D you fool yourself more and feel greater excitment. i mean i cant go on safari and i really dont want to be chased by an angry tiger its more fun to sit safe at home and watch it on tv.  the best thing is gaming is going to be 3D soon, that's our dream isnt it? to make our games seem more real to believe we're there?