The way I heard it, The Eye of a Needle refers to a mountain pass going into Jerusalem or someplace, and it was named for one point where the passage became very small and the ceiling dropped down. Guess how a camel could get through there.

On his knees. ^_^

*gag*

*slaughters the camel in Rishi`s post and eats it*

*slaughters the camel in Rishi`s post and eats it*

o0; NOOOOO ><;

As for the topic itself, something along the lines of what TTG said is what I remember hearing about "The Eye of a Needle" as well o.o

Edit: the first part of my post was in response to CT's post, since I didn't realize Rishi had posted until after I made this post^^;

Anyone remember that children's riddle? How to fit a giraffe in a fridge? Adults will spend ages trying to think how, before saying it's impossible. A child, however, will quite often come up with the solution of chopping the poor giraffe up then putting the pieces in.

Put the same logic to this! Admittedly they'd be pretty small pieces...

😀

Thanks for your answers, everyone. I will die a complete man now.

Yeah, what TTG said; I didn't know that though unitl a visiting preacher talked about it at my church. However, considering God is the King of the universe and the whole Omnipotent, Omniscience, and Omnipresent thing, it would be entirely within His power to pull a camel through the eye of a regular needle unharmed or as you said make the needle as big as the camel itself. One more thing I would like to point out when Jesus said this the disciples talked amongst themselves and asked who could be saved, and Jesus said, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

The way I heard it, The Eye of a Needle refers to a mountain pass going into Jerusalem or someplace, and it was named for one point where the passage became very small and the ceiling dropped down. Guess how a camel could get through there.

Well, you've just lost 10 points. Hah hah! QI. It literally means a camel getting through an eye of an needle. So rich people cant go to heaven. At all.

So rich people cant go to heaven. At all.

Read my quote above man!

So rich people cant go to heaven. At all.

Read my quote above man!

Exactly. Also, there is material wealth and there is spiritual wealth. Even though I'm not a Christian, I wholeheartedly believe that spiritually wealthy people are welcome in Heaven ANYTIME.

Well, I'm not just talking spiritually wealthy but materially as well. God doesn't want people poor as a matter of fact 3 John 1:2 says, "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth."

Well, I'm not just talking spiritually wealthy but materially as well. God doesn't want people poor as a matter of fact 3 John 1:2 says, "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth."

Yup, people can genuinely be simultaneously both materially wealthy as well as spiritually wealthy. In fact, that should be our common ideal. Material wealth can harmoniously co-exist with spiritual wealth, because the ethos of Jesus Christ was to be 'in the world but not of the world'. Those words resonate very deeply with me.

I want to live inside that camel.

The way I heard it, The Eye of a Needle refers to a mountain pass going into Jerusalem or someplace, and it was named for one point where the passage became very small and the ceiling dropped down. Guess how a camel could get through there.

Well, you've just lost 10 points. Hah hah! QI. It literally means a camel getting through an eye of an needle. So rich people cant go to heaven. At all.

Well, I'm pretty sure my explanation comes from scholars actually studying the source material, and determining its true meaning, instead of good ol' fundie literalism.

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I want to live inside that camel.

Kinky!

There's almost no chance that trash like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet will get into heaven. Lawyers have a better chance of getting in than executives, CEO and other venal scum.

There's almost no chance that trash like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet will get into heaven. Lawyers have a better chance of getting in than executives, CEO and other venal scum.

That would be true if they couldn't bribe god off themselves

I really doubt the logic in seeing rich people as evil just because they're rich. Bill Gates earned his money by his own ingenuity instead of inheriting it or stealing it, and regularly donates to charities. It all comes down to whether a person keeps their humanity after attaining their wealth, and remembers where they came from.

There's almost no chance that trash like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet will get into heaven. Lawyers have a better chance of getting in than executives, CEO and other venal scum.

That would be true if they couldn't bribe god off themselves

This.

I really doubt the logic in seeing rich people as evil just because they're rich. Bill Gates earned his money by his own ingenuity instead of inheriting it or stealing it, and regularly donates to charities. It all comes down to whether a person keeps their humanity after attaining their wealth, and remembers where they came from.

Also this.

There's almost no chance that trash like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet will get into heaven. Lawyers have a better chance of getting in than executives, CEO and other venal scum.

what exactly do you have against them, st. peter

Just as a "state the obvious" moment, even if the task of getting a camel to pass through the eye of a needle were to become ridiculously easy, the Bible stated "And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

It doesn't specify how much easier...

Off-topic: Trimanus! Long time no see! I remember you!

On-topic: Having money doesn't make someone evil. I'm pretty sure the particular verse comes right after the part about the rich young ruler, whom Jesus told that he should sell everything he had and give the proceeds to the poor. Right after the young man goes away depressed about what Jesus has told him to do, Jesus delivers the quoted line.

I don't think what He meant by it was that being rich makes you evil - rather, being rich can make it very difficult to get into Heaven, because you can end up far too attached to the riches you've amassed, and hence compromise your ability to do what God may ask of you. In this case, the rich man held his riches dearest and was unwilling to give that up in place of following God.

Importantly though, Jesus never said it was impossible.

Off-topic: Trimanus! Long time no see! I remember you!

On-topic: Having money doesn't make someone evil. I'm pretty sure the particular verse comes right after the part about the rich young ruler, whom Jesus told that he should sell everything he had and give the proceeds to the poor. Right after the young man goes away depressed about what Jesus has told him to do, Jesus delivers the quoted line.

I don't think what He meant by it was that being rich makes you evil - rather, being rich can make it very difficult to get into Heaven, because you can end up far too attached to the riches you've amassed, and hence compromise your ability to do what God may ask of you. In this case, the rich man held his riches dearest and was unwilling to give that up in place of following God.

Importantly though, Jesus never said it was impossible.

Yes, yes, that's exactly it, and no, being rich and having money does not make you evil. The Bible even says, "According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness," and as my Pastor said, money is definitely something that pertains to life as you need it for food,etc. Also, one of the most misquoted verses in the Bible is that money is the root of all evil, but the Bible actually says, " For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. "

Also, one of the most misquoted verses in the Bible is that money is the root of all evil, but the Bible actually says, " For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. "

I strongly believe that ignorance is the root of all evil, but I believe that the love of money is intimately interconnected to ignorance - at least when one's love of money is greater than one's love of God. To me, money is a gift and God is the Giver of ALL gifts. Is it not more wise to seek the Giver of ALL gifts instead of the gifts themselves? Even though I've never read a Bible from start to finish and don't ever plan to, Luke 12:31 nevertheless states:

"But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you."

Gotta love the Big G, y'all. He be mah home-boy!

Great, glad you knew that verse, Rish, cuz if you didn't I would've posted it!