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"We live at the bottom of an atmospheric ocean. Is it possible that other organisms may live above us? If the seas of our Earth are swarming with varieties of living things, both great and small, is it not logical to assume that the 'sea' of our sky abounds with sundry forms of living things, likewise both great and small, of varied shapes, but adaptable to their celestial environment?"

So wrote American author John Philip Bessor in 1955. Similarly, in 1983 the astronomer Fred Hoyle wrote:

To me it seemed preposterous that NASA should be spending hundreds of millions of dollars in a mission to discover if there was life on Mars, while leaving unresolved the question of whether there was life a mere 50 kilometres (30 miles) above our heads.

The idea that Earth's atmosphere may sustain its own race of beings, independent of life on the planet's surface, is one which has intrigued many speculative thinkers. Although there is little evidence to support the idea, there have been some tantalising hints.
In 1917, during World War I, a strange story was submitted by an anonymous airman to a very respectable monthly magazine, The Occult Review. The writer told of an unusual experience by a fellow aviator, who did not wish his name to be cited in connection with so strange a story, but who is described as "a very experienced airman":

He told me confidentially that at a very great height he had seen a curious coloured dragon-like animal apparently flying in the air and approaching him rapidly. Understandably, the pilot had become a little unnerved and at once descended to Earth; but for fear of being ridiculed and accused of over-indulgence in alcoholic refreshment he had said nothing. Had it been an isolated experience, he might have ended by doubting his own eyes: but that first sighting was confirmed by subsequent experiences of the same kind. He suspected that other pilots may have had similar experiences, but like him were reluctant to tell their stories for fear of being laughed at by their colleagues.

Well, a story told by one unnamed aviator to another does not carry much scientific weight. What makes this one particularly interesting is that it seems to have been anticipated a few years earlier by none other than the creator of Sherlock Holmes. Conan Doyle's fictional story "The Horror Of The Heights" was published in the popular weekly magazine The Strand, in its November 1913 issue. Though told with Doyle's usual vivid touches and convincing detail, it makes no pretensions to be anything other than an exciting piece of science fiction. It is a typical example of the speculative writing with which H. G. Wells and others were thrilling the reading public.
The story tells of an aviator who is determined to explore the upper atmosphere in his flimsy monoplane, a machine pretty much like the plane in which Louis Bleriot had crossed the Channel only 4 years earlier. Flying at about 12,000 metres (40,000 ft) the hero encounters

the most wonderful vision that ever man has seen..... Conceive a jellyfish such as sails in our summer seas - far larger than the dome of St Paul's cathedral. It was of a light pink colour veined with a delicate green: from it there descended two long drooping tentacles.....

It becomes clear that these are living creatures that are inhabiting the upper atmosphere. Beautiful they may be, but they are also dangerous. They resent the intruder from Earth's surface, who barely manages to escape their evidently hostile manoeuvres.
Despite their hostility, however, he is determined to continue his explorations. Leaving behind the record of his first encounter - which provides the basis for Doyle's story - he sets off again, but this time he is never seen again. He disappears, along with his plane, to a fate unknown. Doyle can only speculate that he "had been overtaken and devoured by these horrible creatures at some spot in the outer atmosphere".
Doyle was writing simply to entertain us and it would be reasonable to suppose that his fantasy possesses even less substance than the story by the anonymous contributor to The Occult Review. However, not for the first time, it seems a science fiction writer was ahead of the scientists themselves.
In July 1993, two NASA observers flying above a thunderstorm made a major contribution to meteorology when they scientifically established a fact that had long been reported by flyers. Not all lightning flashes are from the clouds to the Earth: they occur also above the clouds, rising rather than descending.
The NASA observers logged 19 flashes, but it was the term they used to describe them which interests me. They likened them to -of all things- jellyfish:

They appear brightest where they top out, typically about 65 kilometres (40 miles) high, so you have the jellyfish body at the top with tentacles trailing down.

Was this what the World War I aviator saw and what Doyle was describing in his fictional story? But if so, how could he possibly know that the mysterious "aerial dragons" would resemble jellyfish? For at that time, no aircraft had been constructed capable of reaching an altitude where an aviator could have seen this phenomenon first-hand.
The ground upon which we tread is known to be teeming with life. Similarly, the interior of our Earth's crust as well as our oceans are also both known to be teeming with life (and it is scientifically PROVEN to indeed be true). Does it not then seem coherent to think that our skies are also teeming with life?

 
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Those are completely unrelated. Lightning could not be mistaken for a hallucination of a dragon, and the story was written before WWI. And it isn't even a coincidence that they used the word jellyfish, because the word is about the only thing in common.

Very respectable monthly magazine, The Occult Review. Seriously?

There is life in the sky, such as atmospheric bacteria, or obviously birds.

 
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Those are completely unrelated. Lightning could not be mistaken for a hallucination of a dragon, and the story was written before WWI. And it isn't even a coincidence that they used the word jellyfish, because the word is about the only thing in common.

Very respectable monthly magazine, The Occult Review. Seriously?

There is life in the sky, such as atmospheric bacteria, or obviously birds.

The Occult Review was a magazine that was actually held in fairly high esteem. I've never read a full issue of it, but this is what a close friend of mine has told me and I trust him. Yes, there is life in the sky like atmospheric bacteria and obviously birds, but I also think it is quite plausible that there are other lifeforms at higher atmospheric layers of our planet. If these hypothetical lifeforms exist, I believe that they would be very low-density lifeforms. Lighter than air. There are actually temples from various ancient cultures all over our planet, many of them separated by considerably large gaps of both space AND time, which have been constructed to honour the memories of 'flying serpents'. Mexico is a prime example of an ancient culture which spoke of the existence of such creatures. Check out this clip for some additional information about 'flying serpents'/'space serpents' and also some supposed footage of sightings of these creatures:

 
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Is it wrong that I misread this as Atmospheric Breasts?

 
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Is it wrong that I misread this as Atmospheric Breasts?

datz hot! lol

 
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Why didn't Google Earth pick them up~

 
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Why don't jets find them. OR PEOPLE LOOKING UP IN THE SKY?

 
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Why don't jets find them. OR PEOPLE LOOKING UP IN THE SKY?

That would probably be because virtually all apparent sightings of these creatures take place at atmospheric layers above the troposphere (the lowest atmospheric layer of this planet).

 
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Pics or it didn't happen

 
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Kiorein wrote:


Pics or it didn't happen

Pics? I've already provided a frickin' Youtube clip! �Here's another one (Warning: mild swearing in clip) :�



I'm sure�that at least�most of us�DON'T know what these things are. We can only guess at the moment, so why not be open to a variety of plausible possibilities?

 
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Floating white blob?

A CLOUD?

 
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Floating white blob?

A CLOUD?

A cloud with white tentacle-like things protruding from it? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

 
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First off water only floats when it is really hot. And it is very cold up in the atmopshere so that kinda puts a hole in your theory.

 
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First off water only floats when it is really hot. And it is very cold up in the atmopshere so that kinda puts a hole in your theory.

When did I say that water floats at very high altitudes in Earth's atmosphere? I never said that.

 
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Then these apparent life forms wouldn't be water based then?

 
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Then these apparent life forms wouldn't be water based then?

Nup.

 
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Similarly, the interior of our Earth's crust as well as our oceans are also both known to be teeming with life (and it is scientifically PROVEN to indeed be true). Does it not then seem coherent to think that our skies are also teeming with life?

Interestingly enough, this last sentence here is why I would probably give a nod to the whole nonsense, (sorry, air-jellyfish? Nah-ah). BUT, because we keep finding more and more random... things deeper in the ocean and the such, I'm inclined to say that we may just have other undiscovered thingies above the usual height that man has been to.

Only thing is, these things have apparently never died in the middle of flight, because there's been nothing found on land, (dead body of animal thing found on street?). So that also raises questions. Of all the people I'm not seeing in this thread though, it's Lighty, since I always thought he was master of everything unknown that flew in our skies ^^

 
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@ Second video: I'm more curious to know why the things don't move for minutes on end. If they're lighter than air, which would be a requisite to exist in the atmosphere unbound by gravity...why do they not move? The upper atmosphere is a VERY windy place. Even if they had no musculature and, like jellyfish, were mostly dependant on the mercy of the currents, they'd be tossed around like giant slinkies. If they did, we'd see them moving SOMEhow to fight the wind currents to stay in place.

@ first video: So....other satellites aren't allowed to exist? Those could very well be lower-orbiting satellites.

@ yeah right jellyfish remark: It's entirely possible. Given the right atmospheric conditions, water can refreeze however it wants. It could look like giant jellyfish.

I'm also with Jin on this. If it's alive, why haven't we seen a corpse? You'd think at least fragments of a corpse would survive the descent.

 
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I'm also with Jin on this. If it's alive, why haven't we seen a corpse? You'd think at least fragments of a corpse would survive the descent.

Actually, there is something known as 'star jelly' (AKA: pwdre sêr) which is an alleged compound purportedly deposited on Earth during meteor showers. It is described as a foul-smelling, gelatinous substance, which tends to evaporate shortly after having fallen.
There have been reports of pwdre sêr (Welsh for 'rot of the stars') for centuries. A long article in the paranormal magazine Fate declared star jelly to be of extraterrestrial origin, calling it 'cellular organic matter' which exists as 'prestellar molecular clouds' that float through space.
There have also been connections made between star jelly and atmospheric beasts and that the star jelly is their deteriorated remains which have fallen onto our planet's surface. Who knows, eh?

 
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Venus's upper atmosphere is much warmer, try there

I've seen videos of vibrating steaks shooting past video cameras; those are called animalz by ppl as well. The streaks last about 2 frames o.o

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^ Those are called "rods."

They once analyzed supposed footage of one, and found out it was a moth.

(EDIT: Why does that angry emote always appear after crazy? o.O )

 
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I humbly await the day when someone is man enough to catch Rayquaza.

 
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"Atmospheric beasts are the strangest of the flying monsters from cryptozoology. According to eyewitness reports, they are things that seem like living creatures, but they break all the usual rules that we apply to living things. They fly without the need for wings and their bodies are only semi-solid, often partially invisible to boot. Many atmospheric beast sightings were originally classified as really unusual UFO reports (in the sense of UFOs being defined as supposed alien spacecraft or machines of some other sort, not in the technical sense of being unidentified flying objects). Noted Bigfoot author Ivan T. Sanderson devoted an entire book to the theory that many UFOs are actually extremely low density animals native to the clouds. One of the most famous atmospheric beasts is the Crawfordsville Monster, sighted in Indiana in 1891, which some researchers classify as a dragon.

For those who believe, atmospheric beasts are very fragile and lightweight creatures who are either native to Earth or are aliens that came from elsewhere. If the latter view is taken, then atmospheric beasts are sometimes thought to have originated in the atmosphere of some other planet, but they can also be thought of as originating in interstellar gas clouds so that they are, in effect, aliens without a native planet, able to "swim" through space. Believers generally consider atmospheric beasts to be non-intelligent, so that even if these creatures did originate somewhere other than earth, they still don't count as sentient extraterrestrials. They're just animals.

In various eyewitness accounts, atmospheric beasts can change their density, becoming smaller, harder masses that are usually metallic in color, or they can become larger and cloudlike, even to the point of invisibility. In some reports, they may glow. Atmospheric beasts may roughly resemble whales and are sometimes called air whales or cloud beasts. Believers think that the atmospheric beasts' normal habitat is high in the air, and they might die if they ever touch the ground. Atmospheric beasts that resemble clouds may engage in behavior that is thought to be impossible for a real cloud, such as squirting a stream of horizontal water at people through "lips" or being far too mobile and animate for witnesses to believe it was just a patch of fog. The more solid kinds of atmospheric beasts may have mouths, eyes, flippers and other features, but these body parts are generally arranged and shaped in a fashion that looks utterly alien, more like an ocean invertebrate's body plan than any animal we are used to seeing on a daily basis.

It is said that when atmospheric beasts die, they fall to earth as a gelatinous mass that may resemble a green, purple, gray or iridescent jelly that evaporates into nothing within minutes, hours, or, at the longest, a few days. This is supposed to explain a type of anomalous event, pwdre ser, that puzzled scientists for some time before they decided that pwdre ser did not exist. Pwdre ser is Welsh for "rot from the stars." This phenomena is also known as gelatinous meteorites or star jelly, and reports of it come from around the world, not just from Wales. Gelatinous meteorites are not always connected with the atmospheric beast theory; they are actually easier to find among collections of Forteana that include reports of many different odd things falling from the sky.

Atmospheric beasts, or things that sound like them, are minor characters in the folklore of many regions. They are often given local names. The English variety is often named "Boneless" or "Shapeless" and resembles a small patch of living, animate fog. Unlike fog, it can be felt as a semi-solid mass. One policeman described an encounter with this creature that had supposedly happened while bicycling. The thing felt like a soft blanket and smelled like mildew. After it rubbed against him, it floated away. It was one of the most terrifying experiences he had ever had. He was convinced that the thing was a living creature. In the Shetland Islands, atmospheric beasts are known as "It" and are thought to be "cloud animals" of some sort. Just as the sea has its own life that is often hidden from view, it is thought that the clouds form a vast atmospheric "sea" far above us, and that "It" is merely an animal that is native to the clouds. Those who report being physically touched by atmospheric beasts often say they felt as if they were being licked by an enormously soft tongue.

In the later decades of the twentieth century, the atmospheric beast theory had been almost forgotten. Serious investigators usually stayed away from it. But, today, interest in atmospheric beasts has been growing, mainly because they now seem more plausible after the recent discovery of what might be a related cryptozoological animal: air rods. People have begun to comb through older reports of miscellaneous random unexplained stuff, a place where a few atmospheric beasts often lurk, and they have also re-examined some of the weirdest UFO reports, which sometimes sound a great deal like the witnesses are actually describing atmospheric beasts.

Since atmospheric beast sightings are rare and the creatures don't have much prominence in folklore either, it has happened that few authors were inspired by the concept and so fiction involving atmospheric beasts is also rare. Two of the most notable films are both Japanese: Dogora is about atmospheric beasts that must consume carbon and threaten civilization, while Space Amoeba is about an atmospheric beast native to Jupiter which hitches a ride to earth and then converts normal earth animals into giant monsters. The American movie The Blob is sometimes cited as an atmospheric beast movie, though the connection is iffy. The Blob is supposed to be loosely based on legends of pwdre ser or star jelly, but in the film the presumed atmospheric beast does not die upon contact with the ground but instead travels over land, growing and consuming. The television show Star Trek: The Next Generation occasionally had things like atmospheric beasts that were native to outer space instead of a particular planet's atmosphere, but these creatures were never very prominent."

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http://www.newanimal.org/a-beasts.htm

 
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If a concept is often found in fictions and myths, without any other evidence, that does not suggest it is real. It increases the likelihood that eyewitnesses would interpret phenomena in such a way.

The main evidence are the videos of white blips, which could be anything. They COULD be some kind of life form, but there is no evidence to suggest it.

 
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"Unknown fire and jelly-like creatures live in Earth's atmosphere

On 11 September, 1948, the Empire State Building in New York was attacked with hundreds of birds of various species

The hypothesis about the existence of little-studied forms of life in the Earth's atmosphere has been an attraction for scientists for quite a long time. Nations around the globe have numerous stories, fairy-tales and legends about such creatures, the most popular of which are sylphs, giant fire birds, fairies, flying snakes and dragons. This weird theory has been gaining more and more details lately to prove its credibility.

The mysterious creatures of the sky can be traced in the history of the Roman Empire. According to ancient manuscripts, giant red ravens were seen flying in the sky above Rome in the year 106 B.C. Ancient writings say that the birds were carrying red-hot stones in their beaks. The ravens dropped and stones down on the ground, having scorched a half of the city. Similar fire-like creatures reminiscent of birds were seen in France and Portugal, in Middle Ages. They were called fire elementalias, specters of fire. Fire-birds caused numerous fires in the middle of the 1980s in San-Juan, Puerto Rico. Eyewitnesses said that the birds were huge, with a wing-spread of about four meters.

Fire snakes and dragons were described in historical documents too. An outstanding incident took place in September of 1891 in the American town of Crawfordswille, Indiana. There is a story in the archives of the town about a 10-meter long fire snake, which appeared above the central square of the town. A lot of people saw the snake - they all said that it was a live creature. A local pastor vowed that the snake had red eyes of fire and the heat of its breath could be felt at a considerable distance. It is noteworthy that similar creatures could be seen in the sky above Indiana in the 60s and 70s of the current century. Film director William Gordon Allen used eyewitnesses' stories to create a colorful image of the fire snake. The illustration appeared in the documentary film "Overlords of the UFO," which was released in 1976.

Mass deaths of birds, or their sudden migration can also be considered an indirect evidence to prove the existence of an unknown form of life in the atmosphere of the planet. On 11 September, 1948, the building of New York's highest skyscraper, the Empire State Building, was attacked with hundreds of birds of various species. Eyewitnesses said that the birds were slamming into windows, as if they were trying to fly away from an imminent danger. Hundreds of birds fell down on the ground dead in May of 1917 in the US town of Baton-Rouge, Louisiana. A lot of them had strange burns on their bodies. A similar incident occurred in August of 1960 on the outskirts of Capitola Beach, when numerous birds fell down dead too. Ornithologists could never determine the reason of their death.

American researcher Charles Fort wrote in his work "The Book of the Damned" that there were weird, jelly-like beings living in the Earth's atmosphere. Medusa-like creatures, Fort wrote, had stings and tentacles, which they used to hunt for birds. The existence of such creatures seemed to be unbelievable for a very long time, until American scientists developed a special substance, aerogel. The lighter-than-air gel is a substance, the state of which is represents both hard and gas condition. Researchers proposed that the flesh of the mysterious creatures could be made of a similar substance. The theory can be partly proved with an incident, which occurred on 28 December, 1958, in Florida. Detective Faustin Galegos found a strange object outside his house. The detective said that he took the object in his hands, but could not feel that he was holding it. It was a translucent ball, the size of a soccer ball, and it was practically weightless. The detective did not manage to preserve it, because it virtually melted in the air several hours later. Faustin Galegos said that he had an impression of holding an unknown dead creature in his hands.

The most uneasy mentioning about the mysterious creatures of the sky belongs to researcher Robert Gardner. According to him, a transport aircraft of the US Air Force took off from an army base in San Diego in the summer of 1939. The plane, carrying 12 passengers aboard, returned to the base in about an hour, after it had sent an SOS. When servicemen opened the hatch, they saw that all 12 passengers were dead. The commander was the only person, who stayed alive, but he died in several minutes too. The dead military men had strange burns on their skin, but it did not become possible to find out their origin and what really happened on board the plane. Investigators determined that the crew and the passengers used their personal guns. The hull paneling of the plane was damaged with gunshots, as if the people were trying to kill a very fast enemy. Apparently, they failed to kill a mysterious creature."

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http://english.pravda.ru/.../378/14359_creatures.html

 
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Incorrect.

 
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Incorrect.

No.

 
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Aw man, I was late to the party, oh well, have to make up time...

Okay so, first of all, you Cite The Occult Review as a credible source, and your only evidence that it's a credible source is that your friend told you it is. Give me some actual evidence as to it's credibility and I might take it seriously.

For the First video, it looks to me like there's something stuck on the lens, but I admit it could very well be some sort of lifeform. However, whatever it is is obviously NOT in Earth's atmosphere, as mentioned by the video.

For the second video, it looks to me like a string of balloons that got loose. Honestly, it looks more like a piece of string on the ground, the only reason I'm slightly doubtful of this was the zoom-in with the antenna in it.

Phew, caught up with the old stuff, not on to my opinion:

There isn't anything in the skies we don't know about, besides maybe a few microbes and maybe a species of bird or three. If there was a thriving ecosystem in the skies as you claim, it would be absolutely certain that these creatures would have been photographed by satalites, hit by a plane, just seen from the ground, spotted by a stargazer... the ways these thigns could be seen is endless.

However, if there are only a few of these creatures, then it is somewhat possible that they could have gone mostly unnoticed. However, one must ask the question: What would they eat? There's virtually no sustinance above the troposphere, so both herbivores and carnivores are out. It's possible they could be plants, but still, a plant can't survive on sun alone, and above the troposphere the amount of water is minimal. And they obviously couldn't be carbon based lifeforms, where would be their source of Carbon?

I'm open to the possibility of these things existing, but until you can find answers for these, it's simply impossible for these things to exist.

The Space-worms in the first video, on the other hand? Slightly more possible, if only because we've observed it less and thus there's been virtually no chance of us seeing one even if they did exist.

 
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