So I'm sure anyone who is at least 18-ish, today, remembers the ever-so-famos, "Batman the Animated Series" from the early 90's. Only remembering a few episodes here and there, I decided to get my hands on the complete series, out of personal interest. I've gotten about halfway through, remembering some vividly, others, not at all. But this time around, I picked up on something.
Now, maybe this was obvious to everyone, and I'm just a complete moron. But so far, everyone I've pointed this out to, in the past few days, was just as surprised as me.
It all starts with an early episode. The debut of Harvey Dent's transformation into Two-Face. Now we all know, Dent starts out as the District Attorney, blah blah, split personality this n' that. Yeah... but as a simple recap, Mob boss, Rupert Thorn, discovers Dent's split personality(Big Bad Harv), and steals his medical file with intentions to blackmail. He calls Harvey over to meet up in person, where he confronts him on this. This trigger's a reaction from Dent's alter-ego, Big Bad Harv, and a fight ensues. Dent is trying to take back the files, and Thorn's guys are trying ever-so-hard to stop him. Batman eventually joins the fight to help Dent retrieve the file.
However, as all of this is happening, only one thought is going through my head. And that is, "Geez, haven't ANY of these guys heard of a Xerox before?"
Seriously, any fool would know that if you're gonna blackmail someone with a piece of paper, to make SEVERAL backup copies before flaunting it in anyone's face.
And that's where it all hit me. I started to piece it all together. The reason they never made copies was because they couldn't. Batman the Animated Series, while it's never directly stated, is set in the 30's or 40's (early 50's at the VERY latest). Think very hard... in this show's Gotham City, look at the general style of clothing, the cars. No touch-tone phones. The only computer seen in the show is the Bat Computer, which is treated by the common world as a marvel in technology, and is the size of a wall. Aside from Batman's jet, all planes on the show are propeller-based. Whenever they pop on the TV, it's always in black and white. And Batman was introduced to the world in 1939.
Was I an idiot for never seeing this as a kid?
Actually, I've noticed the style of the show before, but I always chalked that up to the city being nostalgic with modern cars with old designs. If I remember correctly, I believe it has machines that weren't around in the 30s, and as far as the Bat-Computer goes, yes, compared to other computers, it's always top of the line and a technological marvel. Not only that but it's always a huge computer; I don't think I've ever seen a tv version were it isn't a huge computer. Fianlly, considering that B:TAS is in the same universe as S:TAS, JL, and JLU which are set in the modern age, I don't really think it is set in the 30s.
Yeah, it's not really set in the 30s. It's just the style of that city, if that makes any sense. Like FMR state, if you watch JL, as they head to the different cities, they retain their own look. Metropolis looks like Metropolis, (a lot more modern), Gotham looks like 50s 60s eras style.
It's weird and I never understood it, (especially the black and white parts), and, correct me if I'm wrong, (as I'm sure Dubsie would know), but I really don't think they never ever touched up on that.
It debuted on Fox in 1988. Gotham and Metropolis (the same city), are Art Deco hell.
I think that they intended it to be the 30's, or at least an era independent setting with the style of the 30's and no obvious post-50s tech, other than perhaps security cameras.
Justice League came out much later and there was no "DC animated universe" when Batman: TAS started, as far as I know. So if they acted like it was modern, I'd call that a retcon.
Well, when Superman and Justice League came out, Batman actually ended, and was replaced with a new show called, "The Adventures of Batman and Robin." New animation, crossed over with Superman a lot, and set the stage for Justice League. It was heavily implied that it followed directly after Batman: The Animated series, and most of the voice cast was the same. But the series was revamped that way so it could be a part of the DC Animated Universe.
Which still leads be to believe that the Animated series, was made for the original intent of being set in the 30's, and it was just changed around later on with the new series picking up after it.
Given that Batman was probably created around the 1930s, that would make sense, although the guy's like Bond, he merely reboots every decade or so. I must admit, I'd never put two & two together, but there is a very film noir feel about the whole thing, which was a major change from your usual kids' cartoon.
DW
It debuted on Fox in 1988. Gotham and Metropolis (the same city), are Art Deco hell.
Wait what? No? Batman - The Animated Series, by WB aired early to mid 90s, dudeski. Gotham =/= Metropolis, either.
Or are you like, a Bizarro MoFoer?
As quoted from Wikipedia "The original series aired on FOX from September 5, 1992 "...
Or they could have just been lazy (The writers). I'll go with the general opinion here though since BTAS was such a good series.
As quoted from Wikipedia "The original series aired on FOX from September 5, 1992 "...
Well, I think that would vary based on what area in the US you were living in. In Miami, by then I don't believe the WB channel existed yet, and it was airing on channel 39, (at the time, from what I knew, not owned by FOX), and eventually WB took that channel over, and it kept airing through there.
Either way, I knew it wasn't the friggin' 80s. X3
Both The Batman (his proper name) and Superman came out between 1935 and 1937. Action Comics #1 for Superman and Detective Comics (the progenitor for DC comics company) #27 for The Batman. Bob Kane, the creator of The Batman actually has a cameo in the first Batman movie from 1988...
Both The Batman (his proper name) and Superman came out between 1935 and 1937. Action Comics #1 for Superman and Detective Comics (the progenitor for DC comics company) #27 for The Batman. Bob Kane, the creator of The Batman actually has a cameo in the first Batman movie from 1988...
I will take this opportunity to abhor the current generation of cartoons and pine for the glory of the weekday afternoons of mine childhood.
/nostalgia filter FTW
Hey now, don't you be talking smack about Avatar or Chowder.
There are exceptions to the rule!
(For the record, Avatar was awesome, meh on Chowder)
The UK got the world premiere of the show a grand total of four hours before the US. I recall being rather impressed by that - it didn't happen often.
I noticed the mixed mise en scene myself in terms of tech, but I decided to just enjoy the ride.
Avatar is crap. So is Chowder.
Avatar is crap. So is Chowder.
I am shocked that anyone could called Avatar crap; it was perhaps one of the most, if not the most, epic show I have ever seen in my 24 yr. young life. As for Chowder, I give it a meh, it's okay; I just don't think it's all that great especially as those around here let on-same for Flapjack.
If Castor hadn't posted the "I hope you like text" PA strip, I woulda.
~Rico
lol at the penny arcade strip.
i ended up liking avatar in the end, i didn't at first but once you get passed the first season or so it really picks up. flapjack and chowder are ok, *someone seriously had to be high when making flapjack, because quite frankly a few episodes are just way to creepy* but on the otherhand chowder is pretty funny every time i watch it. but sorta on topic, when i was a kid watching batman i always thought it was kinda weird that literally every man wears a suit and every woman a dress and that it seemed so old fashioned. it's probably not something i processed too well at that age but now that you bring it up i look back and realized it seemed strange haha.
It debuted on Fox in 1988. Gotham and Metropolis (the same city), are Art Deco hell.
Wait what? No? Batman - The Animated Series, by WB aired early to mid 90s, dudeski. Gotham =/= Metropolis, either.
Or are you like, a Bizarro MoFoer?
If you grab your ears and pull really hard, you might be able to dislodge your cranium from your rectum.
I suggest you do some research about New York City. Look at the alternate names used to call it. Specifically: Gotham and Metropolis. Both cities were modelled after NYC.
Age has some advantages.
As for YOU, CastorTroy, as if I care what you think. I am entitled to my opinion and I don't give a rat's arse what you think of it. Try using your own words, next time.
It debuted on Fox in 1988. Gotham and Metropolis (the same city), are Art Deco hell.
Wait what? No? Batman - The Animated Series, by WB aired early to mid 90s, dudeski. Gotham =/= Metropolis, either.
Or are you like, a Bizarro MoFoer?
If you grab your ears and pull really hard, you might be able to dislodge your cranium from your rectum.
I suggest you do some research about New York City. Look at the alternate names used to call it. Specifically: Gotham and Metropolis. Both cities were modelled after NYC.
Age has some advantages.
As for YOU, CastorTroy, as if I care what you think. I am entitled to my opinion and I don't give a rat's arse what you think of it. Try using your own words, next time.
nukeallthewhales please.
Don't feed the Troll! :/
It debuted on Fox in 1988. Gotham and Metropolis (the same city), are Art Deco hell.
Wait what? No? Batman - The Animated Series, by WB aired early to mid 90s, dudeski. Gotham =/= Metropolis, either.
Or are you like, a Bizarro MoFoer?
If you grab your ears and pull really hard, you might be able to dislodge your cranium from your rectum.
I suggest you do some research about New York City. Look at the alternate names used to call it. Specifically: Gotham and Metropolis. Both cities were modelled after NYC.
Age has some advantages.
As for YOU, CastorTroy, as if I care what you think. I am entitled to my opinion and I don't give a rat's arse what you think of it. Try using your own words, next time.
Whoa whoa whoa, pally. Slow your roll.
First, Gotham City is not Metropolis. It never has been. That's why Batman and Superman have to travel to meet each other instead of just walking next door. As for the similarities to NYC, you're only partially right. While Metropolis is very much based on NYC, Gotham is the bastard stepchild of NYC (the skyscrapers), Chicago (the transit systems, mostly the elevated trains shown all the time in Gotham) and London (the gothic architecture).
As for taking umbrage with my picture, you should calm down and have some dip. I mostly meant it in jest, although I'm baffled that someone who apparently is into shonen would dislike Avatar, which is the best shonen series that isn't called One Piece. As much as I like to use my own words, the boards frown on flamewars and 'my own words' tend to cause them given my general lack of decorum and goodwiil.
You may feel free to defend your stance on Avatar. Maybe I'll take them under consideration, maybe not. Keep in mind, though, that I will take your Bleach avatar and username into consideration in deciding how much weight to give your arguments.
well said castor *high fives* that was pretty tame haha
Castor, you are an idiot. Did you not pay attention to what I wrote. Obviously not. Go back and reread it. Maybe you'll learn something. Gotham and Metropolis are the same city in that they are modeled after the same city: New York City. Kane made his version dark and Siegel & Schuster made theirs light. Up until the time the two comics merged into the same company, both cities were located IN EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE: Manhattan Island. Only AFTER Superman and The Batman came under the sane publishing blanket and their universes were merged did the two get their locations altered, but not by much.
Know what you're on about before spewing it. The Batman and Superman are owned by the same company now, but not in 1935-44. These comics have been around far longer than you have.
Whoa whoa whoa, pally. Slow your roll.
First, Gotham City is not Metropolis. It never has been. That's why Batman and Superman have to travel to meet each other instead of just walking next door. As for the similarities to NYC, you're only partially right. While Metropolis is very much based on NYC, Gotham is the bastard stepchild of NYC (the skyscrapers), Chicago (the transit systems, mostly the elevated trains shown all the time in Gotham) and London (the gothic architecture).
As for taking umbrage with my picture, you should calm down and have some dip. I mostly meant it in jest, although I'm baffled that someone who apparently is into shonen would dislike Avatar, which is the best shonen series that isn't called One Piece. As much as I like to use my own words, the boards frown on flamewars and 'my own words' tend to cause them given my general lack of decorum and goodwiil.
You may feel free to defend your stance on Avatar. Maybe I'll take them under consideration, maybe not. Keep in mind, though, that I will take your Bleach avatar and username into consideration in deciding how much weight to give your arguments.
Couldn't agree with you more! 
Ichigo, I think you need a nappie.
Castor, you are an idiot. Did you not pay attention to what I wrote. Obviously not. Go back and reread it. Maybe you'll learn something. Gotham and Metropolis are the same city in that they are modeled after the same city: New York City. Kane made his version dark and Siegel & Schuster made theirs light. Up until the time the two comics merged into the same company, both cities were located IN EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE: Manhattan Island. Only AFTER Superman and The Batman came under the sane publishing blanket and their universes were merged did the two get their locations altered, but not by much.
Know what you're on about before spewing it. The Batman and Superman are owned by the same company now, but not in 1935-44. These comics have been around far longer than you have.
His post becomes SO MUCH BETTER if you read it aloud in this guy's voice.
Hey, Ichigo. Stop nerd-raging. I don't care how much wikipedia you've been reading, it doesn't grant you a "Be A Jackass" license.
His post becomes SO MUCH BETTER if you read it aloud in this guy's voice.
Hey, y'know what? It does. It really, really does! 
Ichigo, lighten up and stop being an ass to other members. Consider this an official warning.
It's actually possible to say your opinion WITHOUT being condescending to other members.
Awe man.
You're lucky Lighty stepped in. I'm not so soft and woulda done worse. =3
Good job at telling an admin to get his head out of his ass. 5 points for having balls. -10 points for pulling it off.
He doesn't know what he's talking about, but his title makes him always correct? YOU can kiss his arse, but I won't. I called him out after he attacked me for pointing out FACTS related to this topic. If he wants to hide behind his title, then let him. It just proves he isn't fit to have it. Never start something you can't finish. He did. I'm not backing down, or apologizing.
I admin 4 boards here, so freaking what?
His post was factually inaccurate, denigrating and insulting. I care of he IS an admin, he crossed the line into direct personal attack.
"Keep in mind, though, that I will take your Bleach avatar and username into consideration in deciding how much weight to give your arguments."
THAT constitutes a personal attack. No where on this board have I EVER denigrated someone over their username or avatar. On my boards, he would be banned for that. HE made it personal. Only HE can end it. If he won't man up and do the right thing, then I will have no respect for him whatsoever. If you want to ban me for it, go ahead. It'll just prove my first impression of this place.
If he won't man up and do the right thing, then I will have no respect for him whatsoever.
No-one needs your respect here. Stop thinking you're God's gift to Earth.
I don't. You just won't admit he was wrong. You simply don't understand what respect is all about. More's the pity.
CastorTroy:
"Gotham is the bastard stepchild of NYC (the skyscrapers), Chicago (the transit systems, mostly the elevated trains shown all the time in Gotham) and London (the gothic architecture)."
Wrong. It's obvious that you have never been to New York City. If you had, you'd know that their elevated rail is longer and older than Chicago's. You'd also know of the "Gothic" architecture as well. Kane just condensed and exaggerated what was already in NYC and added some Art Deco. Siegel & Schuster went for an almost purely Art Deco version of NYC. Same city. Different vision.
We do understand what respect is. And it's something that is earned and it's something that has to be shared. You can't just expect everyone to respect you while you refuse to respect or listen to anyone else. It isn't something you're entitled to. It isn't something which comes automatically with age or even knowledge. It isn't something you get for stating facts without discussion then exploding whenever someone dares to disagree. It's something you get for understanding people, listening and contributing. Something you get for being able to argue without the need of insults. You know, being a nice person. Sure, you think you're right which may be true (I don't really know anything about the DC universe so I don't know who's right), but that's no reason to become hostile when people disagree.
In short, I think it's you who doesn't understand what respect is. Either that or you're taking it for granted.
Also looking back on the thread, it was you who started all this for not taking a joke and going off on one. Castor was only using your avatar and username as an example as to why he found it hard to understand why you wouldn't like Avatar. He welcomed you to explain further. You didn't. Instead you chose to take it as an attack when it obviously wasn't.
Also here's a fun fact for you - Jin wasn't talking about Castor when he was talking about the admin. He was talking about himself. So your massive rant about Castor supposedly hiding behind his title isn't valid.
I should also point out that this board is fairly light hearted and you seriously need to lighten up cause you're just annoying everyone. We couldn't care less what you think of us when you're refusing to participate in a way which isn't condescending and argumentative.
No doubt you won't listen to me either. You'll probably just selectively read this and either attack me or ignore me completely like usual. Go ahead.
I don't.
Well, stop acting like it then.
Ichigo Kurosaki wrote:
You just won't admit he was wrong.
BULLSH*T. Dude, I don't give even HALF a crap about the DC universe (I'm more of a Marvel fan, though I don't hate the DC universe). I don't even KNOW what's being discussed in this thread except that it was about Batman. Your FALSE assumption has been TORN to SHREDS - and it took virtually NO effort on my part either.
You simply don't understand what respect is all about. More's the pity.
Au contraire, Ichigo. I COMPLETELY understand what respect is all about whilst it is evidently YOU who simply doesn't understand what respect is all about. Like Trudi said, TRUE respect is NEVER automatically guaranteed - it must be earned. You are NOT entitled to our respect, because our respect is NOT your right. It is your privilege. There is no 'pity' here.
He doesn't know what he's talking about, but his title makes him always correct? YOU can kiss his arse, but I won't. I called him out after he attacked me for pointing out FACTS related to this topic. If he wants to hide behind his title, then let him. It just proves he isn't fit to have it. Never start something you can't finish. He did. I'm not backing down, or apologizing.
I admin 4 boards here, so freaking what?
His post was factually inaccurate, denigrating and insulting. I care of he IS an admin, he crossed the line into direct personal attack."Keep in mind, though, that I will take your Bleach avatar and username into consideration in deciding how much weight to give your arguments."
THAT constitutes a personal attack. No where on this board have I EVER denigrated someone over their username or avatar. On my boards, he would be banned for that. HE made it personal. Only HE can end it. If he won't man up and do the right thing, then I will have no respect for him whatsoever. If you want to ban me for it, go ahead. It'll just prove my first impression of this place.
You know, I think that you should know that Castor isn't an Admin.
Basically, people are acting like this around you because you're throwing a hissy fit over something silly.
Is this Chaos Theory at work? A butterfly flapping it's wings in America causes a typhoon in Asia and all that?
Except instead of a butterfly, it's a picture posted in a light-hearted manner and instead of a typhoon, it's incredible amounts of irrationally thrown-about nerd-rage?
Ichigo, the reason I brought up your avatar/username combo being Bleach-related is because that means you enjoy shonen and thus should enjoy a shonon show like Avatar. Which is why you saying it 'sucks' baffled me, especially since Bleach is probably on the low-quality teir of shonen right now. Nothing 'personal attack' about it.
Maybe I'm wrong about the origins of Gotham. Mostly I didn't know that rather than actual comicverses and whatnot you were instead referring to semantics. Personally, I've always seen London and Chicago in Gotham City. Maybe I was wrong, but for you to get so epicly butthurt over something so minor is ridiculous.
Calm the hell down, Ichigo. The whole board isn't out to get you and it won't ever be unless you keep acting like a jackass.
The above posts sure could've fooled anyone. YOU attack me personally, but I get flack for calling YOU out on that.
As for you, Rishi, your posts to date have convinced me that you are an egomaniac. You proved nothing, but your utter contempt for facts that don't fit your prejudices.
I came here in good faith and NOT ONE OF YOU made even the slightest effort to make me feel welcome. Quite the opposite: several of you, especially Rishi, have made me feel UNwelcome from Day One. You get what you give, with me. You treat me like crap, I pay you in kind.
Respect? Most of you don't even know what common courtesy is. I treat the same, at first. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, at first.
I've held back long enough.
I came here in good faith and NOT ONE OF YOU made even the slightest effort to make me feel welcome. Quite the opposite: several of you, especially Rishi, have made me feel UNwelcome from Day One. You get what you give, with me. You treat me like crap, I pay you in kind.
Respect? Most of you don't even know what common courtesy is. I treat the same, at first. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, at first.
I've held back long enough.
I'm sorry, you don't get to make the 'That's all I can stands and I CAN'T STANDS NO MORE' speech here. Especially since you're the one who has been throwing out baseless accusations, ridiculous conspiracy theories and ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
Quit being upset about silly things and you'll do fine here. Continue freaking out over silly things and your welcome here will probably run out in short order.
Eh, too little, too late. Lighty warned you, and I take it upon myself to sit you in the corner. I'll let other admins decide to do whatever the hell to you.
For now, enjoy an Ichigo-Free-Zone for like, a week or so.
Respect? Most of you don't even know what common courtesy is. I treat the same, at first. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, at first.
I've held back long enough.
Even been warned by Yuku staff (quite an achievement) to show respect and act in a polite, professional or adult manner on the forums 
We expect that all members of this forum will behave in a way that is respectful to the staff and other members of this forum. Discussions will be conducted in a civil and mature way.
Even been warned by Yuku staff (quite an achievement) to show respect and act in a polite, professional or adult manner on the forums
We expect that all members of this forum will behave in a way that is respectful to the staff and other members of this forum. Discussions will be conducted in a civil and mature way.
Good jorb on the internet detectiving, there, Nuke! 
Even more reason to bring out the ban hammer! =3
Man, my last read of this topic was at Lighty's post, and then all this crap happen in about a days time. Why do I have a feeling that Ichi isn't as old as he claims he is cuz it's hard to think a 40 yr. old man would act like this...oh, wait, no it isn't hard to think a 40 yr. old man would act like this, sadly!
BTW, may I asked who it was that put such an Hi-larious custom title in Ichi's post?
As for you, Rishi, your posts to date have convinced me that you are an egomaniac.
I'm not an egomaniac. I'm a sweet widdle boi! 
You proved nothing, but your utter contempt for facts that don't fit your prejudices.
News flash, dude: I wasn't trying to prove ANYTHING! Also, I don't have utter contempt for facts that don't fit my prejudices. I think you're probably confusing me with yourself.
BTW, may I asked who it was that put such an Hi-larious custom title in Ichi's post?
Oh, I love how he also contradicted himself by admitting that Metropolis AND Gotham are in fact different cities by acknowledging that this is how THE CURRENT UNIVERSE - AS DC HAS LAID OUT - RUNS, thus making his previous claims false.
Maybe back in the Detective comics days and such, yes, but not now. So, no, Gotham and Metropolis are NOT one in the same. The Jin Man has spoketh! Spoken? Spoked? ... ...
... hmm, maybe I... no...
SPOKETH!!!
BTW, may I asked who it was that put such an Hi-larious custom title in Ichi's post?
