Box said what I was thinking.

Unrelated to the chat.. but still pertinent.. I assume this same set of rules/guidelines would also apply to Eliteboard once it is over there? Henceforth, a rewrite of the rules might as well start being done o.o

Eliteboard? Whazzat?

(jk sir >>)

It's the degree of warning something inherently contains. I can't think of much that would need to change board-wise save perhaps the censoring.

I will be quick to say that more censoring on the boards would be REALLY asinine...

I mean, seriously, the board rules are nazi-like as they are, (no offense, rule-writers). More censorship would just make it... well... really boring.

I guess it just depends if it means you want to add even MORE words, or fix it to pick up on certain "spelling" variations of already added words, which is cool with me.

Not really. Board rules (or at least the enforcement of them) let people type in most of the letters for the word they are censoring. I'm not allowing that in the chat at all and I see no need for it to be allowed to the extent it is on a message board either on this kind of site.

Most of the board rules concern themselves with spam, sigs, avatars, behavior, etc. that I don't see needing me to conform to some sort of standard. I already handle that kind of stuff for Haven. I'm not making this board conform to Haven's on that kind of stuff. Those main board issues is for the board staff itself to decide, not me.

Of the three "applications", chatrooms (most strict), message boards, website content (least strict) is the attitude I've always had due to the level of warning inherently given while still being able to enjoy the "application."

Out of curiosity, why would you decide the chat to be more strict. In my thinking, having something in print on the board would be more damaging to young eyes than a single message in conversation which disappears after a few minutes.

Not to say the chat offense is any less serious, but it's certainly less damaging and requires equal attention to the board if not less.

This isn't backtalk or whining, as I'd like to think I don't swear on board or chat at all, I'm just curious as to where this passionate drive comes from.

You have no control over what you see the instant you enter a chat. You usually have some warning over what you see when you read a thread on a message board due to topic title. You can be given plenty of warning over what you see that's posted on a website.

A good 95% of the time if you have no warning on a message board it's due to someone spamming and that is something that I'm confident will be handled so I feel no need to bother myself over it. If it doesn't happen, that's a different story and I'll go there if it happens--not before.

Even though I haven't been active around this particular part of the board, unless things have really changed, the only place where the truly inappropriate stuff was ever posted on the board mainly happened in SPA. That will get cleaned up on its own like the chat just due to the language/content restrictions. That doesn't require anything major with regards to actual board rules though.

I'm still a little unclear as to what words are considered cuss words anyway. You say you allow E (and presumably E-10, that being rated for ten year olds) and PG content, so I'm going to assume you're going to allow the words "damn" and "hell" for sure and probably the word "ass," as there's many, many examples of each in E-games (Ace Combat 4) and PG movies (Ever seen the end of Moonraker? Can we post that?). Am I wrong there?

And is E-10 content allowed? You say E and not T. What about the one between that? I'd assume so, it being again rated for ten year olds.

E10+ Everyone 10+: Contains content that is considered suitable for ages 10 and older. Titles in this category may contain more cartoon, fantasy or mild violence, mild language, minimal and/or infrequent blood and/or minimal suggestive themes.

E Everyone: Contains content that is considered suitable for ages 6 and older. Titles in this category may contain minimal cartoon, fantasy or mild violence and/or infrequent use of mild language.

For reference.

The game Blue Dragon is rated E or E10+ - I forget which. Things in the game could involve singing animals one moment and a character saying "You bastard!" the next. Another example.

Oh, there's dozens of examples of things far worse than what I'm asking about in PG films. I know there are things in PG films that are past the limit - my <i>Moonraker</i> question was rhetorical. 😛

I consider those three my "throwing a bone" words, SX. The only word that some people consider "okay" (which has nothing to do with the usual US vs UK vs [insert country] debate over language) would be b---- (and it's zillion of variations) that I'd come down on.

As for your game/movie examples, I've never played/watched them. So, I'm ignorant to what has actually transpired in them for future reference. As TBlood moreso than anyone else (though those that have read my DJ/LJ for an extended period of time should also be aware) knows, I don't watch movies all that often. You're more likely to find me knowledgeable on a reference if it's something I can see on CN or Toon Disney--and possibly Nickelodeon. While it's not definite I've seen it, the chances that I'd tune in to check it out if I haven't seen it are high.

Oh, sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that yuou need to run out and play/watch them - except Ace Combat 4, you need to play the Ace Combat series, no exceptions ever ever - just giving one of a lot of examples.

Anyway, thanks.

Oh, I didn't take it to mean that you were telling me to play/watch. I was just explaining why those references literally go over my head.

Why do I need to play Ace Combat anyway? 😉

He screwed up... He typo'd and meant to say Ace Attorney...

Same question still applies. I've never played the series.

Ace Attorney puts you in the role of Phoenix Wright, a defense attorney straight out of law school. Armed with only his wit and an unwaivering belief in his client's innocence, Phoenix must present evidence and raise OBJECTIONS! in the testimonies presented by the prosecution. Through these 'turnabouts', you will prove not only your client's innocence, but also who the true guilty party is.

The appeal of the Ace Attorney series comes from the amazing story telling and the unforgettable characters.

Ace Combat is a semirealistic air combat simulator series on the Playstation (1, 2, 3), PS2 (4, 5, 0), PSP (X), and coming to the 360 (6). It's known for its' intricate plots, incredible storytelling, great music, and good graphics. If you've never played one, buy a PS2 and 1-5 and Zero. Right now. It's worth any amount of money spent.

Note that I'd consider myself an Ace Combat fanboy, so take my urgency with a good helping of salt. 😛

eh, I wasn't even interested in the Ace Attorney series. Figured you guys were over hyped about it.

and then I gave it a shot and instantly fell in love.

When are they bringing Phoenix Wright 3 to the US? D:
I do'nt want the imports because of their japanese covers.

October 23rd... Hence why a lot of us imported and got it 2 months before

If I had the spare $$$, I'd buy the domestic release as well...

I'm buying the domestic release becaue I'm lazy.

<_< Off topic much?

Why not go off-topic? Theres like, totally nothing left to talk about. We're going to conform to True Red`s rules and apparently its final.

Plus its not like she's here or anything. >_>;

Actually we are totally on topic Oo...

Plus, MFC and the SPA are immune to "off-topic" rules, as they are general discussion and it's generally accepted that unless it's way out of bounds (like talking for 20 posts about Pokmon in the Last Movie You Watched thread) you can generally go anywhere with anything.

EVC is about the only forum where off-topic can earn a lock or slap on the wrist. Marble Garden sometimes.

...but EVC goes off topic in every thread.

lol, I was just going to say that SX

Yeah, and every EVC thread gets locked because of it :3

The bottom line remains that the MoFo Chat is not Ace Combat, Ace Attorney, or any of the media mentioned above. It is the MoFo chat. Therefore, it has its own standards for behavior as outlined by True Red, and TR has been fairly clear about it in her first and in her followup posts on the matter. If there were specific questions, like SX asking about specific swear words, then I think that's certainly reasonable, but citing media that have questionable content despite their stamped PG or below rating is irrelevant because those things are not the MoFo. I understand that people are trying to see where the line is, but certainly better examples can be found than ones that are, at minimum, toeing the line of appropriateness and taste, if not bounding entirely beyond it.

We could argue all day about the efficacy of the rating system, but the point is that the rating system is meant as a general guide, not as a hard-and-fast rule of how many inches of buttcrack can be shown in a particular scene. Plus, most media is an art form, in the sense that directors and producers are trying to push the envelope all the time to shock or amaze; so of course there will be some edgier or racier PG films than others. This does not, however, make it right or appropriate for them to be so, nor should that be a reason for us to justify certain behaviors in the chat.

That on-topic enough for ya? 😛

Yeah, that should do it.

Terg, as I said a few posts back, it's not that uniquely Ace Combat does x, or James Bond (pre-Licence to Kill) does y, or anything. What I'd said was that certain things, by reading some of TR's later posts, seemed dubious in legality, while her original post specifically mentioned PG/etc as the line, and said certain things not only have existed in said ratings, but are common in said ratings. Just for clarity, this is; my question was answered. Though I'll probably have more later.

Also that is a point of people against saying PG/E/12/whatever as the proverbial do-not-cross line. It's, as you said, a general guide, so claiming that as the do-not-cross line can leave people confused. It's essentially pointing at a wide range, instead of a specific line, and saying "Do not cross." Do not cross what part of the range? Sure, there are things that are OK in that range, and there are things that are not OK in that range. But pointing out two extremes doesn't answer the question of where the line is.

Again, that's just for clarity. I feel I have a reasonable idea of what is and isn't OK. Now to remember to follow that idea...

Well as long as you get it then I won't have to explain myself over again. 😛

I expected this thread to last longer.

EDIT: Wow, first being warned for a spoiler and now being warned about off-topic going. Sorry guys. I'm just... not used to EZBoard.

sshhhh just ignore the thread >>

Uh, guys, however lax we've been about going off-topic, it's not really cool to post in a thread if you aren't going to add anything to it. Try to be more productive.

I dunno, this thread lasted pretty long as it was though, and probably is much longer than it needed to be due to misunderstandings and miscommunication.