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(@antipode)
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(@spiner-storm)
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You're kidding.

He's whut? 60?

 
(@super-shadic-01_1722585742)
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Win.

 
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You're kidding.

He's whut? 60?


He's Indiana freakin' Jones...

Besides, he can't die :crazy :

 
(@neoremington373)
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Get back to me when the movie exceeds everyone's expectation, I'm not raising any hope just yet. But that picture is win...and deviously handsome.

 
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I knew this was happening, based on a lot of Wikipedia-reading. But yeah, considering they're even taking Ford's age into account, I don't doubt that this movie might actually be... good! Call me crazy, but if Rocky can do it...

Makes me glad I actually managed to watch the trilogy within the past year. Great films, surprised it took me roughly 19 years to get at 'em.

 
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Except that Rocky Balboa was terrible.

 
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Oh, Wonderbat, you say the darnedest things. 🙂

 
(@superexplosivetails)
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What are you talking about?

 
(@stewie0015)
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That guy up there, that's Indiana Jones... There were a series of movies made about him...

Now he's coming back in a 4th one.

 
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Yep I remember hearing about this not too long ago. I've only seen one complete IJ movie and a good bit of another one. I should probably watch them before this comes out, just in case i'm ever encouraged to go see this new one.

 
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Theres been a bunch of rumors about Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, Beverly Hills Cop, and Rambo circulating around IMDB about new movies.

I doubted all of them minus Indie. I can't wait for this, it'll be great.

 
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Rambo 4 is real. It comes out in September.

Beverley Hills is a "we're looking into it" rumour. BttF4 has never been rumoured. Just dreamed of by people with more hope than sense.

 
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I'm more worried that he said that he'd only make a third film if his current girlfriend - Calista Ally McBeal Flockhart - played the love interest.

Having seen from the screaming harpy that was Kate Capshaw in Temple of Doom what nepotistic casting can do to an Indy film, I'm really hoping that he backed down about that.

 
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And that, my dear Sam, is why we only like Indy movies that involve Nazis...

Hopefully Commies == Nazis

 
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I keep forgetting what this topic is about and reading the title as "He's Black.".

 
(@antipode)
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Mind if I bump from page 3?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMLcC-zh1pE

Panel from ComicCon.

I will hesitantly admit that I got, for the first time in my life, fanboy flutters while watching this clip. Lots of people know how 'anti-fanboy' I am about nearly everything, but I will do everything I need to do to be there opening night for this film.

 
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I gotta be level with ya... Harrison Ford didn't sound much like Harrison Ford, I dunno why. >_>

Also I was kind of expecting that "George L." character that was on The Colbert Report a long time ago to make an appearance...

 
(@antipode)
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Granted, HF didn't get a whole lot of voice time here, but I'm reminded of one of his recent talk show appearances (for Firewall I believe) that shows him to still be that soft-talking smooth scoundrel type he plays in all his movies. In short, he's still got it.

 
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Blocked by G4. =( @ video

 
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(@antipode)
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"Indiana Jones and the Bandwagon of Obscenely Long Film Titles"

Amirite?

 
(@fexus)
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I'm more curious as to why they had to film some of the movie in Connecticut, like an hour from where i live. I mean... wtf is there in CT to use for an indiana jones movie? It's nowhere near a castle, desert, abondon city or pyramid. XD

 
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>> uuuuh. Jones is a professor... He needs a school to teach at, right?

 
(@fexus)
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Ok.. so yale is close by.. and um... harvard >.> Oh well...

 
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Is it wrong that I can't take that trailer entirely seriously? I get the feeling it won't live up to the first three. Which I guess would make two Lucas universes in a row that can live up to that claim.

 
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Way too much freaking CGI >_< Darn you, Lucas. It's also weird to see a Jones who jokes about being old and not up to par of his old self... pulling off more complex stunts than he ever did before O.o

Still looks to be a fun movie, though; not as good as the "original trilogy" (crap, I never thought I'd have to say that about Indy...) but I think that's a given.

 
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CGI? I didn't see any O.o

 
(@gt-koopa)
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I think it was explosions and the rocks moving. Ever think that if CGI is added it makes it less believable than a real model? Is that's what's wrong with today's movies?

 
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Thank god they employed the REAL Arc of the Covenant in the first one. I heard the contract negotiations with God were extremely difficult, especially when they wanted him to melt the faces off all those guys.

 
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@ Trailer --

Nom nom. Delicious. Can't wait.

 
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So, uh, the movie's been out for two days now. Surely somebody here has an opinion?

Y'know, considering it involves some rather whacked things such as

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(@johnny-chopsocky)
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My opinion? I wish it'd been a better movie.

I can't reveal any specifics to my irritation with it due to spoilers, but I will say that it's a cavalcade of poor dialog, bad characterization, forgotten sub-plots and missed opportunities. Instead of giving us a new Indy, they just gave us the next Mummy movie with Harrison Ford replaced Brandon Fraser.

 
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I did spot some Mummy influences, I will admit. It was still an enjoyable enough ride, although I miss Denholm Elliot. No one gets lost in his own museum like he did Not convinced by Cate Blanchett's accent, it seemed almost as bad as Kate Beckinsdale's in Van Helsing.

But there were some great set pieces, some nice nods to original cast and settings (including a Breath of God, I swear). There seemed rather too much CGI in places. It seems to have got to the stage where CGI now is more obvious than just using painted backdrops in the sound stage.

I also loved how they kept the Paramount mountain turning into part of the scenery in the opening scene.

They also resisted turning Shia LaBoeuf (sp?) into Short Round.

And all hail that fedora!

All in all, enjoyable, but it'll never supplant the original trilogy in my heart - partly, I suspect, because I am no longer 10 years old. To paraphrase, I got a lot of fond memories of that trilogy

DW

 
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...y'know, I thought it was a pretty good movie. Then again, I haven't seen the original trilogy in a long time and don't recall enough details to compare by. Which might have been a good thing in terms of enjoying this movie.

The main problem I had with it was that some of the lines got swallowed up by the sound effects so I couldn't quite figure out what some people had just said or why they said it. I had no problem with the use of CGI, although I was a little shocked at what the "treasure" and what was connected to it was this time (maybe because it had a different source than the mystical artifacts/features of the past three movies).

I also think that this movie may have been given better reviews, in a way, if people didn't have the original trilogy to compare it to. Let's face it, when you make a new movie based on a well-beloved series that has achieved a legendary status (Star Wars anyone?), you're gonna make a movie that will be compared to the originals no matter what you do, and probably not match what the fans think is the criteria for a good movie of that series.

 
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The movie was friggin' AWESOME and had the exact same charms as the first three. Why do I know this? Because I friggin' binged on the first 3 on DVD right before I went to go see this new one, (seeing as I had only seen them once or twice as a little kid growing up, but remember them being awesome, anyway).

The dialogue in the movie was just as cheesy as the first 3. Granted, there was much more dialogue than in any of the first three movies, but I found that a trend. It's like, the first movie had 10 lines, the second had 100, and so on, (exaggeration of numbers, btw). The delivery was just as good, (thank you, Spielberg), and the CG work wasn't overbearing. Yes, there's a part that involves a fridge, and a lot of people have been going "WAHH! WAHH THAT IS SO OVER THE TOP AND UNREALISTIC", but opening a raft in the middle of the air to land safely in the sea isn't?! MELTING HEADS ISN'T?! A knight that's been waiting over 500 years with the holy grail isn't?! C'MON!!! The movie's always been over the top - in a good way.

I loved the movie. Two PiEs up.

 
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For one thing...I say we should not compare it to the original trilogy. Usually when one does something like that...they end calling out all the bad points with little to no regard of the good points. So seeing it as a movie and not a fourth...I found highly entertaining. Worth the money in my opinion. Not sure if i'd say it's Iron Man stature, but it is pretty darn close. By my standards atleast, and honestly what else matters to me, but what I like. 😛

Edit: Just saw Terg's last note there. Yea...what he said.

 
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I liked it.

(omg I wonder why)

 
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Just saw it, and I wanna see it again. That is all. =3

 
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Aliens. The very concept on an Indy flick is jarring to say the least. But then again, I also have to keep in mind this time around the year is 1957. Roswell incident just a mere ten years back, the age of space--what with the race for space between America and Russia, astronauts in favor over cowboys, yadda yadda. Compared to the original trilogy, it has a very distinct feel of the future, a time period where Indiana Jones just can't seem to grasp. Lighthearted adventures are replaced with constant panic and fear over communists, with bigger and scarier weaponry. I think the first 20+ minutes or so where Indy witnesses a dead, mummified alien, survives a nuclear explosion, and gets creamed by the government really does an appropriate job on just how much time has changed between 1938 and 1957. It ain't fun and fancy free anymore.

In an Indiana Jones flick, the concept of an alien (actual aliens, mind you) doesn't match quite as well as the Holy Grail or the Ark of the Covenant, but within the 1950's setting, it does. Characters Mutt, Doc, and the return of Marion all have their own unique personalities to land to the show, even if they had to all struggle in one screen (none of them did anything to make them too memorable for me). It took a while to warm up to the idea that Indy should have a son (frankly, I think the father/son was underplayed--Short Round and Indiana exchanging hats in Temple of Doom had a far more emotional presence for me), but all the more fitting when Indiana calls him "Junior" by end, the nickname Indiana hated, but passes on--hey, if his father can irritate, why shouldn't he to his own son? And I admit, the wedding at end felt kind of cheap, but theoretically, this might be the last Indiana film; Harrison Ford is fit, but he ain't getting any younger. The villain Spulco (sp) is straight to the point, but wonderful in her role. I am just in love with her short to-the-point hair and clean gray uniform.

It still has that charm and Indiana Jones feel, great battle and action sequences delivered with topnotch graphics now that the filmmakers have them new-fangled technology at their disposals, cheesy lines, exploring vast lands, mysterious on top of mysterious, and funny moments. In a way, it's a different Indiana Jones, but it's still Indiana Jones. Not as solid as my favorite: The Last Crusade, but good in it's own way.

Well, with all the classic trilogies getting another film in their resume, I'm waiting till someone announces a Back to the Future 4. It's just begging to be made at this point.

 
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I guess I'm in the minority on this particular forum, but the more I think about this movie, the less I like it.

LENGTHY SEMI-SPOILER THOUGHTS FOLLOW (big spoilers hidden through forum wizardry)

To me, Indy 4 is a bottomless pit filled to overflowing with bad ideas, poor dialog, dropped sub-plots

and missed opportunities. Even in the vile mish-mash of exposition and Pavlovian moments that the movie ended up being, it could've been so much better if they'd tried harder. I haven't seen Spielberg this lazy since 'The Lost World', and he may have even been lazier in this movie than in that abomination.

Also, I missed the history lesson where the entire Russian Special Forces core was staffed entirely by a bunch of Yosemite Sams and Elmer Fudds. For all the menace they displayed, Indy might as well have been fighting the CGI prairie dogs the entire movie.

Crystal Skull is not a bad movie by any means. It is also not a good movie. It is mediocre. Middle of the road. Unmemorable. Generic. Interchangeable with other movies like it in the genre. Things that no other Indiana Jones movie had been. THAT is far more irksome to me than if it was merely "bad", because it's so obvious that nobody in the production save for Shia LeBouf really gave anything to the picture. God, at least if it was actively bad, I'd be able to derive the same kind of enjoyment that I got out of movies like Torque and House Of The Dead.

As for the "realism" nonsense, none of the Indiana Jones movies could ever been known as 'realistic'. That said, the Spielberg that made Raiders, Doom and Crusade was far better at cinematic slight-of-head than the Spielberg that made Crystal Skull. Instead of the skillful covering of coincidences and plot holes through cinematic wizardry that made the others great, Crystal Skull's plotting issues are right up front where everyone can see them. No effort was made to mask them, they just happened where everyone could see them while the makers prayed that the haze of nostalgia would be so thick that nobody would see them. It was sloppy writing, sloppy plotting, sloppy shooting and sloppy editing. God help me, it felt like I was watching Indiana Jones fanfiction instead of a real sequel. It's so artificial and Pavlovian that it's more placebo than movie. This isn't Indiana Jones, this is sugar water.

It's not a bad movie, it's just... lazy. I feel almost condescended to by it. "Yeah yeah, here's your friggin' Indiana Jones movie, now leave me alone I got other stuff to do."

But hey, at least it proves something: Steven Spielberg really CAN make a movie just as good as 'The Mummy' in his sleep.

 
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F************************ YUKU... I had a whole reply typed up and it logged me out >=

In short, I agree with CT. Movie was "meh". Better than Temple of Doom IMO, but not by much.

A couple of quick problems I had

Adding on to CT's list of missed opportunities, I thought of one at the beginning.

Should have been a lot better than it was =

 
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I'm waiting till someone announces a Back to the Future 4. It's just begging to be made at this point.

Oh dear god no. It's a trilogy, it ends neatly, a fourth film would be entirely unnecessary.

As for Indy 4, I haven't seen it but I decided to read a plot summary last night. i've gotta say it was very offputting. Doesn't sound like the kinda thing I'd like to see tbh

 
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Awww...I know how that feels Hiro. Happens to me sometimes. But wow...Castor...sorry you were so disappointed. =/

 
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I think aliens is a bit more realistic than divine intervention.

 
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(where'd the FBI agents run off to anyway? They seemed so intent to piss in Indy's cornflakes, so why did they stop so suddenly?)

Dude. Who cares? What happened to the Brotherhood after they tried to kill him for looking for the Holy Grail? "BECAUSE HE SAID HE'S LOOKING FOR DADDY!" No, because daddy WAS looking for the grail; shouldn't that, by proxy, still place a target on Indy's head? Oh, but we don't see them again until, oh, 20 minutes before the end, and then the knight, if you want to count him.

It BEGGED to be done, it MADE SENSE for it to be done and what happens with it? Nothing. And that's just one of the many opportunities missed.

Uh? Nothing? Dude the thing blows the hell up and takes a couple of other trucks along with it. The entire FIGHT sequence between all the trucks with Indy, Henry, and Evil Russia Chick was FAR awesomer and lengthier than your friggin' idea. And much more bad ass, what with Indy admiring the boy as he whooped some commie ass.

Also, I missed the history lesson where the entire Russian Special Forces core was staffed entirely by a bunch of Yosemite Sams and Elmer Fudds. For all the menace they displayed, Indy might as well have been fighting the CGI prairie dogs the entire movie.

... and you liked the first three movies how?

And Ray Winstone's character could've been left out of the film and nothing would've been lost. Especially given his exit. Jesus, I love the actor, but his role was pointless. "Now, Jonesy, I shall betray you in a fashion that makes my character look like he has a bowl of Cream of Wheat for a brain and wind up dying for it! BLARG I DEAD NOW!"

That's where I'll agree with ya. He should've been done after the first scene, or at least after Indy kept his promise and whacked him in the nose.

Instead of the skillful covering of coincidences and plot holes through cinematic wizardry that made the others great, Crystal Skull's plotting issues are right up front where everyone can see them. No effort was made to mask them, they just happened where everyone could see them while the makers prayed that the haze of nostalgia would be so thick that nobody would see them. It was sloppy writing, sloppy plotting, sloppy shooting and sloppy editing. God help me, it felt like I was watching Indiana Jones fanfiction instead of a real sequel. It's so artificial and Pavlovian that it's more placebo than movie. This isn't Indiana Jones, this is sugar water.


Wow. Now you're just being an elitist, purist, fanboy whore. Seriously, I mean that in a totally non-insulting way, but Jesus H. Christ on a stick, dude, did you watch the movie an official Indy hat and whip, with your official Indiana Jones fan-club creed patched onto your shirt or something, ready to swear off and go "BOO" as soon as the film ended? Listen to yourself. You sound like all those raging-elitist-nerds about this crap. It was a great movie. Also, you bad mouthing the other characters is pure hypocrisy because THEY ALL have that same feel of mediocrity yet awesome cheesy one liners and direction they did TWENTY FRIGGIN' YEARS AGO. Relax, brohams. Your first three movies are still there, untouched and walkie-talkie less.

 
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I agree with Jin 100%

 
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SPOILERS AND A LONG POST AHOY

Uh? Nothing? Dude the thing blows the hell up and takes a couple of other trucks along with it.

And it served no purpose in the movie. They may as well have not built it if they weren't going to use it for anything.

Why? Because apparently God or aliens or whatever had already cut interlacing vehicle paths through the DENSE FOREST THAT CIVILIZATION HAD NEVER FOUND and all the jungle cutter was needed for was to just clear a path to get to that conveniently-placed trail.

The entire FIGHT sequence between all the trucks with Indy, Henry, and Evil Russia Chick was FAR awesomer and lengthier than your friggin' idea.

So wait, you think blue-screen driving, Shia getting hit in the nuts with shrubbery, a magnetic skull that's only magnetic when they need a deus ex machina being thrown around while surrounded by metal with no effect and Shia becoming King Of The CGI Monkeys that attack on his command is more awesome than Indy fighting from truck to truck, gaining ground as the jungle cutter ahead drops trees all around until he reaches the cutter and has a big fist-fight with the Henchman With Screentime on top of it before leaving the commies behind to journey onward to glory?

And much more bad ass, what with Indy admiring the boy as he whooped some commie ass.

And that's the other thing: after the RPG launch, Indy grabs a truck and does... nothing. He lets Shia fight after that. Indiana Jones, riding shotgun in the movie with his name in the title. In fact, the RPG launch is the last actiony thing Indy himself did in the whole movie.

... and you liked the first three movies how?

Because the Nazis and Thuggies were THREATENING. They beat him, cut him, nearly tore his heart out, poisoned him, tried to brainwash him, shot him, while the Commies could barely land a single punch on Indy. Indiana Jones got hurt in the first three movies, whereas in Crystal Skull he's the nuke-surviving Terminator.

Wow. Now you're just being an elitist, purist, fanboy whore. Seriously, I mean that in a totally non-insulting way, but Jesus H. Christ on a stick, dude, did you watch the movie an official Indy hat and whip, with your official Indiana Jones fan-club creed patched onto your shirt or something, ready to swear off and go "BOO" as soon as the film ended?

Did I say that my childhood was raped? No. Did I put out a bounty on Spielberg and Lucas' heads? No. Did I wish they'd made the movie 10 years ago with a better script (Frank friggin' Durabont had one in the can, why couldn't they just use it? Did it not have enough aliens?)? YES.

And I didn't go to the movie to hate it. Nobody spends $9 to have a bad time. I went in hoping for a good time and got disappointed.

Listen to yourself. You sound like all those raging-elitist-nerds about this crap. It was a great movie.

No it wasn't. A great movie is one that stays with you for years, molding the genre it's in for years to come. A great movie is transcendental. This is not a great movie. Raiders is a great movie. It's not a perfect movie, but at had a lot of perfect moments. That's why it's the only great movie of the bunch. Temple and Crusade were just good followups, but at least they had the spark of the original. On-location shooting, practical effects, a nonstop race to the finish. Crystal Skull has none of those.

Also, you bad mouthing the other characters is pure hypocrisy because THEY ALL have that same feel of mediocrity yet awesome cheesy one liners and direction they did TWENTY FRIGGIN' YEARS AGO.

I'm sorry, are you pissing on Raiders of the Lost Ark just to legitimize the exercise in getting paid that is Crystal Skull? No sir, that dog don't hunt.

I am not a fanboy. I just know what's in a good movie. I am first and foremost a fan of movies in general, and Indy 4 is not a good Indiana Jones movie nor is it a good movie in general. I'm not saying it's face-rape, but I'm not buying the DVD. Maybe I'll rent it to give it another go, but I don't see myself spending more than $5 to see it ever again.

After all, I'm not one to enjoy a crap sandwich just because someone tells me that it will taste just like the excellent sandwich I had before.

 
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Someone asked re the Holy Grail - I got the impression that it was only immortality if you drank from it every day. So the Knight was still there, albeit very frail. Henry Jones Senior did not stay in the temple, did not drink from the cup daily and therefore was not immortal.

It wasn't Star Wars versus Phantom Menace scale, but I still prefer the originals. I probably won't go to the cinema to see it again and I potentially won't even buy the DVD. It was an enjoyable enough way to pass the time and I'm glad I've seen it, but that's it. Excuse me while I return to the eighties whence I came

DW

 
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