In today's day and age of franchise movies and sequels, it's becoming increasingly easy to categorize movies as "can change minds" and "wont change minds". I consider TMNT and Spider-Man 3 as movies which can change minds. I doubt many people were expecting TMNT to rock as hard as it did (it had no business being that good!) and Spider-Man 3 sucked so hard that even those convinced it would rock knew deep inside that it sucked.
Indy IV could not change minds. I went in apathetic, I left apathtic. Some went in thinking it'd be on par and left feeling the same. Some thought it'd never match expectation, it didn't.
Though, to be fair, I agree with the stuff Castor says. The jungle fight seemed to be Shia's scene. The entire movie seemed to be about him. Setting him up, ala River Phoenix, to be the new young Indy.
Problem is Mutt is not a hero name. He is an amoral lazy bum without intellect who is good with a sword (never used his knife once) and can ride a bike.
Indy is a highly moral, very intellectual guy with a burning sense of justice and near fearlessness who uses a bullwhip and a gun and his name is Indiana Jones.
I like Shia LeBeuf, I do... but he is not leading man material. At the moment, thanks to this and Transformers, he is just the leaching man who gets more attention than the one we paid to see... and cannot really do anything to make us care.
Problem is Mutt is not a hero name. He is an amoral lazy bum without intellect who is good with a sword (never used his knife once) and can ride a bike.
Indiana was the name of the dog, Mutt is a dog name... HAHAHA....
Spider-Man 3 sucked so hard that even those convinced it would rock knew deep inside that it sucked.
Spider-Man 3 sucked? Man, I thought it was pretty awesome especially some of the fight scenes between Spidey and New Goblin! I really don't see it as being inferior to that first two movies and enjoyed it thoroughly!!
Oh dear god no. It's a trilogy, it ends neatly, a fourth film would be entirely unnecessary.
That's why it's a joke, sweetie. 
Though at this point, I wouldn't be all that surprised if someone announced one.
I don't think Michael J. Fox is up to the task
I don't think Michael J. Fox is up to the task
That's what they said about Harrison Ford!
Harrison Ford doesn't have Parkinson's.
Instead of ranting about Spider-Man 3, I will instead envy you Rayzor... sincere and true envy. I really wish I could see it the way you did.
I knew the film would rock when I walked in. I so wanted it to rock. But... but... emo jazz dance where he punches Mary Jane in the face. Unbaked villain motivations... alien suit not actually doing anything... *sigh*
That film hurt my soul in ways of which I'll never recover. Like those Star Wars fans who saw Phantom.
I can see your point. Yeah, they should have had a more active role for Venom, maybe the symbiote survived somehow, and I can understand your feelings about the Mary Jane thing, but the symbiote does have a way of making one kinda emoish. I think I understand you though, you're acquainted with Spidey mostly from the comics, right; however, I'm only acquainted with Spidey, and all DC and Marvel Heroes, though TV shows, movies, video games, and Wiki and therefore I probably don't have enough background to really see the bad points in the film.
As a matter of fact, since I didn't watch the Iron Man cartoon, I know virtually nothing about Iron Man so when I see the movie, which I have yet to seen, it will be pretty new to me and I definitely won't be able to pick out things that are not in the comics. On a topic related note, if I go to see this movie, I definitely won't be able to see the bad things as I haven't watched an Indy movie ever (Well, I think I may have seen part of one on TV when I was a wee little lad.) and would have nothing to compare it to.
They completely destroyed Venom's origin story is the problem. They shoehorned him into a movie he wasn't meant to be in because they made the mistake of listening to the fans.
Okay, in the animated series, Venom originated from space which I believe JJJ's son brought back with him; if I'm not wrong, this is what it was in the movie. Is that not what happened in the comics? Also, I bet y'all didn't like that Venom didn't refer to itself as "We" either did you; I didn't care much for it either but wasnt' that bothered.
eh @ Rayzor. I'm the same way with respect to the Marvel movies. Never read any of the comics. Still thought SM3 was kinda eh. Ironman was awesome though.
Full Metal Rayzor - Your avatar is like 1.7 MB. This is very large! Can you please resize it to something more avatar sizish... Remember, on this board yuku will use the original size/dimensions. It's just artificially resizing.
Venom randomly fell out of the sky in SM3
Ah, didn't remember that. @ Lighthead: it's funny but I had photobucket resize it and it still stayed big.
OH, now I remember what I was going to say... And I'm really surprised that no one mentioned this... ESPECIALLY you Craig!
OMG SCRUBS, etc.
I did mention it in the cinema, jabbed my friend in the ribs and said effin' JANITOR. Was upset his character did not return later in the movie.
As for comics vs TV. I would have been very satisfied with a John Jameson shuttle origin (Spectacular Spider-Man used the same gimmick 2 weeks ago), but falling from space infront of the world's only super powered person is stupid... as stupid as a sand mutation test in the middle of the night where no one notices the guy forming into a human being in broad daylight.
As for "suit doesn't do anything" it only implys that it makes Peter stronger... but doesn't show it. In the cartoon and comic it morphs, shoots it's own webbing and even heals wounds and acts as a shield. The thing was too useful to rid of. In the movie it was just the emo-suit.
Referring back to the horrific suggestion of BttF 4, either Variety were celebrating April Fool's rather late this year, or Paramount are making Beverly Hills Cop 4.
Good grief.
Mind you, I own Lethal Weapon 4, so I guess there's one born every minute 
DW
I saw the movie on saturday and I liked it. With them somewhat acknowledging and having some fun with Indiana's (Ford's) age (ex. the mishap with the whip), along with the setting of film being in the 1950's made it that more fun and acceptable to me. If they continued doing the same exact thing from the other films then it would have been boring. As for the special effect, I thought it a bit much at the beginning but got use to it quickly. The only time I thought the CG was over the top was with (OF ALL THINGS) the prairie dogs, that seemed unessarary.
Setting him up, ala River Phoenix, to be the new young Indy.
Problem is Mutt is not a hero name. He is an amoral lazy bum without intellect who is good with a sword (never used his knife once) and can ride a bike.
I agree his lack of intellect does make him quite Indy like but he's young and can learn. Hell a young Indy wouldn't be Indy at least not the one know now. Beside what's wrong with being a litte unothodox.
Indy is a highly moral, very intellectual guy with a burning sense of justice and near fearlessness who uses a bullwhip and a gun and his name is Indiana Jones.
Are we talking about the same Indy? and when did he become a superhero, fighting for truth and justice. He is just very smart guy that goes on adventures and loves his job to a fault. His love for archaeology has made him lose sight/forget (temporarly) of some of his other priorities such as love ones/friends/family/associtates (ALL INDY MOVIES), his very life ( The last Crusade, if his father wasn't there...) and alligance (The Crystal Skull, this time his son...). Indy is great guy and all but he shouldn't be put on that type of pedestal.
Are we talking about the same Indy? and when did he become a superhero, fighting for truth and justice. He is just very smart guy that goes on adventures and
loves his job to a fault. His love for archaeology has made him lose sight/forget (temporarly) of some of his other priorities such as love
ones/friends/family/associtates (ALL INDY MOVIES), his very life ( The last Crusade, if his father wasn't there...) and alligance (The Crystal Skull, this
time his son...). Indy is great guy and all but he shouldn't be put on that type of pedestal.
Wait, what? Isn't this the Indy who only went for the grail because dear old dad was shot?
Wait, what? Isn't this the Indy who only went for the grail because dear old dad was shot?
I was talking about after Indy uses the grail to save his dad, when the temple was collapsing. The grail fell into ravine that open and that obsessed nazi women fell in trying to go after it. Indiana would of had the same the fate if his father hadn't snapped him out of it by acknowledging him as "Indiana" instead of his birth name. Indy's father said it wasn't worth the effort to go after the grail and pulled him out of the ravine, saving him.
Yeah, but I think that was the grail having an effect on Indy's mind... Just moments before that scene, Indy was telling Nazi chick not to go for the grail, that it wasn't worth it.
