It's just a thought that suddenly occured to me.
- Does Sonic have anything that he dislikes himself for? I have yet to notice if he does.
- Sonic has all these envy-able powers, and he can use them to beat a bad-guy single-handedly. People can get the impression that Sonic BARELY had to train to use these powers for good.
- The anime sorta shows Amy easily forgiving Sonic if he does not give her her way. That kinda screams Gary-Stuism. (Unless we're supposed to blame it on her childish crush.)
(NEW!) - Sonic is too brave. Gary-Stues are impossible to identify with. One of the reasons why Sonic is so hard to identify with is because of his overdone courage and cockiness, and what's worse is that he never seems to pay for this. He always wins.
- If I notice anything else, I'll add it to the list. But this is all I can remember for now.
Arrogance, stubborness, power-tripping, insolence, pigheadedness, hero complex. Lazy, if you count Sonic X.
Great points.....What exactly is "Hero Complex"?
I hate to reply with a simple picture, let ALONE a meme... but I have no words for this.
~Tobe
Although Sonic has some good superhero qualities, I thought people who didn't know him thought he was also a jerk. That's the impression I got from watching Sonic X, but he's probably better off in other versions (mileage may vary). But, if Sonic is a Gary-Stu, then what is Chris Thorndyke?
Sonic dies when he has no rings. He is too weak to be a gary stu.
He also can't swim. A Gary-Stu is perfect at anything.
And most of all, he's a main character! That's CANON!
That reduces Gary Stu potential by an order of magnitude.
None of the Sonic Characters have enough depth for this topic to make any sense.
I wish I could help out in posting and replying here, but I don't really know what a Gary-Stu is.
I see a strong resemblance.
Rabid
We need more You around here~
Gary from Pokemon huh? Nice picture you got there Rabid Rodent.
Oh That Gary Stew made me Lolz. Good job!
Gary Oak is badass.
He also can't swim. A Gary-Stu is perfect at anything.
Unless you're a Suetiful All Along.
Hmm, you may have a point.
I lol'ed at Rabid's pic.
Sonic is nothing more than a tool.
I thought he was the fastest thing alive?
*Crickets chirp*
Sonic is nothing more than a tool.
LOLWUT?
Gary from Pokemon huh? Nice picture you got there Rabid Rodent.
Great job explaining the joke.
It's just a thought that suddenly occured to me.
- Does Sonic have anything that he dislikes himself for? I have yet to notice if he does.
- Sonic has all these envy-able powers, and he can use them to beat a bad-guy single-handedly. People can get the impression that Sonic BARELY had to train to use these powers for good.
- The anime sorta shows Amy easily forgiving Sonic if he does not give her her way. That kinda screams Gary-Stuism. (Unless we're supposed to blame it on her childish crush.)
- If I notice anything else, I'll add it to the list. But this is all I can remember for now.
I disagree, sir.
-So he has a good sense of self-esteem. A good number of characters have this and they aren't considered Gary Stus. To name a few: Spiderman, The Sailor Scouts, Ash Ketchum, Phoenix Wright and Rouge (The Bat). They don't hate themselves and that in no way makes them overbearingly perfect.
- They're not THAT great. I mean sure, he's freaking fast and he can cut through a bunch of stuff but that's not exactly God-like. He's just as fragile as anyone else if he gets hit (Mephiles killed him with a single energy beam shot.) and that spin-dash of his doesn't go through anything. If they did, Boss Fights would be easy as hell. He usually has to exploit weak points.
-Well, she does have a crush on him and I doubt he did anything inhumane to her... it's pretty easy to forgive someone if it's not too serious. I don't see how it screams Gary Stu... unless you mean he's too likable. Which is wrong. Knuckles doesn't trust Sonic enough to not beleive Eggman when he lies to him, Rouge and Shadow both called him a loud-mouth in battle and in Sonic Adventure even Tails is annoyed when Sonic ignores him, stating "I hate when he doesn't listen." Hell, Amy Rose chased him around in Riders when he pissed her off somehow. Everyone seems to dislike him if only a little for some trait of his.
Lets see sonic isn't perfect, but I do agree they make him too powerful. Well at least he is not superman.
Ps: Krptonite doesn't count!!
(NEW!) - Sonic is practically indestructible. He can't be hurt when he's doing the Sonic-spin. If anything, others are easily hurt by it. In the anime, he gets stomped on by a giant robot machine, and he can still move afterwards. He should've been virtually immobolized after such a crushing.
No. Energy shots, spikes, bottomless pits, pointy things (ever spindash into a Caterkiller's open mouth?) and a few other things can hurt Sonic while he's spinning.
Wrong he cannot swim and the earth is 3/4s water. Thefore he is useless.
Aquaman is the most important superhero as a result.
Wot Stair said. 
~Tobe
Wrong he cannot swim and the earth is 3/4s water. Thefore he is useless.
Aquaman is the most important superhero as a result.
mind = blown
(NEW!) - Sonic is practically indestructible. He can't be hurt when he's doing the Sonic-spin. If anything, others are easily hurt by it. In the anime, he gets stomped on by a giant robot machine, and he can still move afterwards. He should've been virtually immobolized after such a crushing.
No. Energy shots, spikes, bottomless pits, pointy things (ever spindash into a Caterkiller's open mouth?) and a few other things can hurt Sonic while he's spinning.
Is it bad that I read Caterkiller as Cartman? o_o
Cartman vs. Sonic
DISCUSS
Sonic Vs Aquaman.
Aquaman For the Win!
Heh yeah Sonic could beat just about any other super hero. Even Superman when he's Super Sonic. So Aquaman is the only guy who'd stand a chance utilizing the only weakness Sonic has.
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Heh yeah Sonic could beat just about any other super hero.
Probably not Son Goku though when he's in his super saiyan 4 form. Hell, even his super saiyan 1 form could probably own Sonic (in his Super form). However, saiyans can't breathe in outer space (presumably even in their super saiyan forms) whilst Super Sonic evidently can. This is a conundrum!
Thus Sonic beats Goku....sort of. Goku killed Freeza who could breath in space....
So Super Sonic would use Chaos Control on Goku to send him into space.
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Goku killed Freeza who could breath in space....
Goku didn't kill Freeza, he only defeated him. Future Trunks killed Freeza. Yeah, I'm still a MASSIVE DBZ fan. So what? 
*Loads shotgun*
I don't think I need to tell you guys what happens next, do I?
GT ended in 98 or something. Japanese kids must think us american kids are so lame....
Please don't let this topic get derailed...
...I like the subject matter too much. 
What are we talking aboot again?
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GT ended in 98 or something.
Dragonball GT ended in 1997 if I remember correctly.
Rishums is being quite cheeky.
Rishums is being quite cheeky.
You're being 'quite cheeky' by still calling me 'Rishums' after I asked you to stop once already.
Dawww, Rishlysquislyishums is getting all cheesed off *pets*
Try to stay on topic, people. We're supposed to be discussing Gary-Stuism, and Sonic's apparent contribution to it.
ZonicVoom wrote:
- Sonic is too brave. Gary-Stues are impossible to identify with. One of the reasons why Sonic is so hard to identify with is because of his overdone courage and cockiness, and what's worse is that he never seems to pay for this. He always wins.
Nobody has made a contribution to agree/disagree with this point yet. It might just be the most valid point about Sonic's Gary-Stuism....Also, it's not enough to list Sonic's faults (like MattManic7325 did). You should back up your claims by pointing out WHERE in the games has he shown to have these faults.
When has Sonic ever been arrogant?
When has he ever been stubborn?
When has he ever suffered from "power-tripping"? (What the heck is power-tripping anyway?)
When has he ever been insolent?
When has Sonic ever been a pighead?
HOW does Sonic have Hero-Complex? (What is hero-complex, and how is it a fault anyway?)
When in Sonic-X has Sonic been lazy?
Also, you have to point out HOW Sonic suffers for having these faults, otherwise these faults would just be unintentional side-effects of Yuji Naka's non existent character development.
Nice quote... but, uhh... are you agreeing or disagreeing with it?
- Sonic is too brave. Gary-Stues are impossible to identify with. One of the reasons why Sonic is so hard to identify with is because of his overdone courage and cockiness, and what's worse is that he never seems to pay for this. He always wins.
I am agreeing with this quote. Like I said, it's probably the most valid point about Sonic's Gary-Stuism....
Sonic is a Gary-stu who cares? He's a cool character nobody has character development everybody is flat. Sonic is just the heroic archetype why is this so bad? Why why wai?! I mean honestly who.........the stories....THE STORIES! Sonic the Hedgehog's plot itself is supposed to be light hearted and fun who cares if Sonic is too much of something? He's the HERO!
I see your point... and raise you 10 EXP Points!
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cheers sonicvoom/laura/harry megamix for edit bumping... 
Ya know, Harry...maybe nobody cares enough about the topic to contribute...making such an edit a desperate cry for attention that wasn't naturally going to happen. Let it go!
I've always actually found Sonic to be a compelling character, because he is so under-developed. We have no idea how he became who he is, we have no idea what it is that really motivates him, all we know is that he shows up in the nick of time and saves the day. The other characters are (slightly) more developed in comparison, and this makes some of them compelling for their own reasons (I particularly like Knuckles). However, Shadow is over-developed, and has been since the very beginning. I think this was originally Sonic Team's idea of poking fun at typical anime/game characterizations, but then when the character became so popular with anime/game fans, they started taking Shadow seriously, which only (unintentionally) stressed the point further.
The reason I bring Shadow into this is because Shadow is the anti-Sonic in a lot of ways. The single best example of why I like Sonic as a character is in this dialogue with Shadow from Sonic Adventure 2:
Shadow: It wasn't a Chaos Emerald, was it? But, there's no way you could have activated the Chaos Control using an emerald that's fake! So, there's more to you than just looking like me... What are you, anyway?
Sonic: What you see is what you get! Just a guy that loves adventure! I'm Sonic the Hedgehog!
What Sonic says has to rub you the wrong way, because you know there's more to it than that. There just has to be. Shadow can do Chaos Control because he was genetically created to do things like that. How can Sonic possibly be able do it, too? And with a fake emerald, no less? The answer, of course, is that he's able to do it because he's Sonic. What exactly that means, we'll never be sure, but that's what he is. And there's something captivating about that.
In fact, I think Sonic becomes far less compelling as a character when you give him a childhood, introduce us to his parents, and explore why he does what he does. I like SatAM and Archie all right, but by delving too deep into the character something important is lost. One of the reasons I loved Sonic X was because it showed a version of Sonic that seemed always to be lost in thought, but we never, ever, ever had any idea of just what it was that he was thinking or why he behaved the way he did, except for what the other characters said about him.
Are Sonic and friends dynamic, three-dimensional characters? No, not really. They are very simple and can usually be summed up in a sentence or two. But I think that if they're used well, then that can make for a compelling story.
