PETA do more harm to animals than the people they campaign against.

Watched an episode of Penn and Teller on them.

I think that the ethical treatment of animals is a fine and worthy cause.

I think bullying the youth of the world into believing their parents are murderers for eating meat or releasing "Killing Mama" for PC is unforgiveably sick.

I have more to say on this, but need to pool my sources. But the bottom line is, the cause is good, PETA are not. In my eyes, anyway.

The game never came out on DS that i was aware.

You watch a thing on PETA by magicians wow

Apologies, the assumption was made due to Cooking Mama being a DS game. I've edited my post now.

edit button is such a marvelous piece of technology, removes the need to double post and all...
hmm meat

But its true have you played the game? You do have to do all those things to a turkey in real life right?

But its true have you played the game? You do have to do all those things to a turkey in real life right?

You should define "all those things" for those that perhaps haven't, can not or will not play the game.

Ok you pluck, gut, stuff tell me if I'm missing something the game just opened peoples eyes to what happens be for you eat.

I pretty much echo Craig's opinion (despite popular belief, we are not the same person 8D). There are things that do need to be fixed in various industries to make better living conditions for animals, and there are things we all can do to help with that. As good as their cause is, PETA go about informing the world in the wrong way, to the point where I would say they're more cruel than the people they're working to get rid of.

Also, I am a part of the food chain. As an omnivore, I love me my fruts and vegetables and nuts and grains, but I also love me some good chicken and beef. 8D

EDIT: And yes, you do have to do that to a turkey before you eat it. By that time though, the turkey is very dead, so you're not really hurting anything o.o

~Shadowed Spirit Sage

I didn't realize I needed formal education to realize that you remove the giblets from a turkey and put in stuffing. Hell, Mr. Bean taught me that in his Christmas special when I was a kid

I don't have a problem with it.

I would guess that most people would already know that turkeys (and most other animals) would be grown, killed, plucked, and pregutted before appearing on supermarket shelves. o.o and as long as the animals are slaughtered to a legal standard to minimise pain, then most people would accept this.
edit: and what the combined power of the Bayfields said, especially Bean's christmas

yes we are more curl than the people working with the animal(but at lest I'm not a murder) that cant fight for themselves they cant fight for freedom there just $$$ in most peoples eyes and just product in other in my eyes there living breathing animals with feelings.

Thing I don't get is why an organisation set up for the ethical treatment of animals would be so dead set on stopping the public eating meat, which has nothing to do with the treatment of animals at all, just the supply and demand to the people who trade and work with the meat.

It's the same mentality as the RIAA suing people for downloading music files rather than using legal action to stop people uploading them to the internet in the first place.

I think the reason for both companies is the same. RIAA can't stop illegal uploading as it is not in their legal power to do so, given that content providers are not in their jurisdiction and obey the laws of their country. Likewise, PETA cannot take down farms and those who trade, raise and slaughter animals, because they are following the legal ethic code.

Thusly the only thing the two can do is bully consumers in hoping that the problem will just stop because a few people get bent over in court or blood thrown over them.

that and all these animals would have never existed if it wasn't for people farming/breeding them for livestock to be slaughtered etc. therefore these animals wouldn't need their "freedom"

Because that's what you grew up learning that it was ok to kill animals defenceless animals to eat

So I take it you're vegerarian then, kiwi?

As said, all this stuff which happens to the turkey/chicken/whatever happens after it's died. Usually, the animal is killed in a way to try to cause as little pain as possible. And anything with free range on it has the extra bonus that the animal wasn't shoved in a tiny cage for it's lifetime.

And I'm afraid people aren't going to stop eating meat. It's good for us and some people just love how it tastes. And some people, myself included, just don't like enough fruit and veg to be able to support a vegetarian lifestyle.

Also, I take it you're anti-cheese as well?

can you say that with a 100% positivity

o.o I think a little story is in order for Mr. Kiwi, here.

My aunt lives on a farm. She owns plenty of animals, including well over twenty chickens. She and her husband work hard to take care of all the animals, and my aunt obsesses over their well-being to an inhuman degree. We sometimes joke about her, but we know it's what she likes to do, so it's okay in everyone's books.

Now, most of the chickens she owns are meat chickens. Once every season or so, when the chickens are large enough, she takes them to the butcher and returns with enough meat to last them all several months.

With all of this in mind, I'm curious. Do you think my aunt is a murderer? ^^

~Shadowed Spirit Sage

yes i am vegetarian animals are not produce.

did she take life form another being that can fell emotions???

Well, they're not "defenseless animals" those would be the wolves that Governor Palin and her cronies are shooting from a helicopter.

Farm animals are bred for consumption, left to live their life with much comfort, food and are protected by law from being mis-treated. Then they just get Soylent Greened.

Whether it's a bad thing is a matter of semantics, but if you look at the alternative, which would be everyone freely hunting, then species would go extinct, animals would suffer and it would just be a mess. Having some order is the best way of preventing chaos.

I mean, you can't expect 6 billion to turn vegeterian overnight, that is ignorance and wild daydreaming.

If you feel that the status quo is a bad and horrible thing, then what would you suggest as an alternative?

I normally give the turkey a fair chance by offering it a choice of weapons during a pistol duel (or a banjo) to date i have never lost once.
tl;dr version: don't think your opinions are greater than everyone elses, especially before you accuse people of being "murderers" or killing "defenceless" animals which wouldn't have ever existed without humans.

We could live among the animals as equals but i am just daydreaming

So your saying without people taking care of farm animals they would die out that would be the natural way of things.

Unfortunately, the food chain still exists. And if you live among the animals, the larger animals will eat you without remorse or guilt. And I doubt you're gonna convince a lion to go vegan. :p

~Shadowed Spirit Sage

most carnivorous animals in the wild kill their prey in a pretty painful manner and then eat from their fresh corpse

why are peta not preventing this it is a serious issue

is what we are doing natural is it natural to the animal giving them injections to enhance there weight

kiwi have you ever thought of this:

There is such a thing as predetors and prey in the animal kingdom. Foxes eat rabbits. That sort of thing.

Well, have you thought that the human race might just be one of these preditor species? Yes, we can survive without meat, but disallowing humans meat while letting other animals kill one another is a bit of a double standard, don't you think?

i think you should be focusing more on other forms of animal cruelty, such as dog fighting and such.

[edit] I type too slowly

So your saying without people taking care of farm animals they would die out that would be the natural way of things.

farm animals exist in their current format because of humans. the millions of turkeys, cows etc would've never been born if it wasn't for humans being involved.
also nb: humans are animals

its the way nature wanted it to be

yes and millions of animals wouldn't have died

would you eat an human??? anyone?? we are animals

its the way nature wanted it to be

we humans be part of nature, and will kill animals with more respect and less pain than other predators in "nature"

also use quotes and stop triple postings =/

most animals in nature don't eat their own kind...

its the way nature wanted it to be

we humans be part of nature, and will kill animals with more respect and less pain than other predators in "nature"

also use quotes and stop double postings =/

ok this is my first topic

Nature also wanted the Earth to be rich with natural habitats which humans have long since destroyed and made cities or diverted natural habitats by attracting animals via farmlands and such.

Long story short, the only way to have your running free with the animals dream is if we all went out to live in the wild, abandoning society all together.

I'd go on with the analogy, but it hardly needs to be stated. Point is, we've upset the balance and only via direct intervention can we maintain it.

Nature also wanted the Earth to be rich with natural habitats which humans have long since destroyed and made cities or diverted natural habitats by attracting animals via farmlands and such.

Long story short, the only way to have your running free with the animals dream is if we all went out to live in the wild, abandoning society all together.

I'd go on with the analogy, but it hardly needs to be stated. Point is, we've upset the balance and only via direct intervention can we maintain it.

yes true, i am also an environmentalist

I'd like to point out a few things.

First if we're going to argue nature then we need to bring up a little thing called EVOLUTION.

Humans EVOLVED to eat meat, it's part of our natural diet and removing it removes some of the nourishment we'd need to build muscle, keep warm in winter, etc. Admittedly we can claim we've moved beyond that what with central heating and cars, but that's encouraging laziness, and with the current economic crisis not all that viable right now for some.

Also, if we're bringing up nature then we're STILL on EVOLUTION! Which is about SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST!

No, I'm not saying we should slaughter anything weaker than us, but, like others have stated, if it weren't for us Chickens and such would be extinct. As such it's because of human that they can live in what we can assume is happiness and comfort for chickens.

Another point, none of the animals seem to be fighting for liberation themselves, meaning either they're powerless to stop it, like chickens, or the big ass bulls that can flatten a man are rather happy with their lives.

The notion of a vegetarian world would cause a lot of harm to Third World Countries too, where they don't have a choice in what they can eat, and need meat for the above mentioned reasons. If anything we should be marching for more meat to be sent there than trying to stop it entirely.

Haha, I remember you saying you were an activist. Welcome to the board and such.

The PETA are to animal rights what the KKK are to the christian rights. Neither cause is bad, but the way those two groups go about it is inane, insidious, and just plain stupid.

~Rico

After they tried to compare slaughterhouses to Nazi death camps, I've ignored everything PETA spews out. I'm completely disgusted at them. They throw animal blood on people and try to convince children that their parents are murders simply because they like meat.

I'm an omnivore and no amount of insane rhetoric is going to make me not like meat.

If you want to support a legitimate animal rights group, support the ASPCA. They rescue abandoned and abused animals and help find them new homes. It's worlds above PETA.

After they tried to compare slaughterhouses to Nazi death camps, I've ignored everything PETA spews out. I'm completely disgusted at them. They throw animal blood on people and try to convince children that their parents are murders simply because they like meat.

I'm an omnivore and no amount of insane rhetoric is going to make me not like meat.

If you want to support a legitimate animal rights group, support the ASPCA. They rescue abandoned and abused animals and help find them new homes. It's worlds above PETA.

but why do you tell me your an "omnivore", why are you telling me what PETA does i know what they do,do most the people posting on this fell threatened in some way?

You are aware that punctuation works wonders in making your posts more legible, correct?

Anyway, who said they were feeling threatened? Most of us are just disgusted at the lengths these people will go to for their cause.

but why do you tell me your an "omnivore" why are you telling me what PETA does i know what they do most the people posting on this fell threatened in some way?

qué?

You are aware that punctuation works wonders in making your posts more legible, correct?

Anyway, who said they were feeling threatened? Most of us are just disgusted at the lengths these people will go to for their cause.

Ok now you know how i feel.

why do people keep falling

Gotta say I just watched the Penn and Teller show on the subject, and damn, I knew they were bad, but sweet zombie Jesus I didn't know THAT much.

Have you sceen what they think about the bible??

Have you sceen what they think about the bible??

They didn't insult the holy bible? did they!!!!! :O

yea they have an hole thing about it