Have you sceen what they think about the bible??
They didn't insult the holy bible? did they!!!!! :O
Looks like a job for BibleMan. He'll show them who's boss.
Also, Kiwi, you've been told there's a thing called an EDIT button. I suggest you use it instead of double and triple posting.
Yep, saw that aaaaages ago, and guess what! I agree with them! 
Haha, I remember you saying you were an activist. Welcome to the board and such.
The PETA are to animal rights what the KKK are to the christian rights. Neither cause is bad, but the way those two groups go about it is inane, insidious, and just plain stupid.
~Rico
....Wait what are you saying that the KKK stands for good things? >_>;
PETA? I support PETA 100%, and act on behalf of PETA every day. Yep, I sure do love the People for the Eating of Tasty Animals!
No. The analogy was that while animal and religious rights are good causes. People like that PETA and KKK are DOING IT WRONG. You don't fight for animal rights by bullying kids and you don't fight for religious rights by killing Dubs.
~Bunnybuns
Whatever one's views on animal rights, (and though I still consider myself anthropocentric, I'm not as sure of that as I used to be) it should be agreeable that PETA is WAY over the top. Comparing those of us who eat meat to the Nazis is practically an IRL Godwin's Law, if not worse. Eating something that resulted from the deaths of animals isn't as severe as actively killing millions of human beings, some for the sake of strategy to further their chokehold on the world, and others just for the sake of extreme persecution. Now perhaps within meat-eating it might be an idea to avoid factory-farmed food, if only for the environmental reasons, (and while we're at it, avoiding meats whose production causes lots of carbon dioxide emission, like beef; granted, I don't always remember to avoid it, it's not on my mind as much as it should be) but I doubt we'd have to all go vegan to be unlike the Nazis...
Though I noticed people seem to be focusing on their views on meat-eating; what about their views on experiments on animals? Eating some meat is probably healthier than eating none, but experiments on animals led to many treatments, one of which saved my life; Banting and Best doing experiments on dogs led them to see the connection between the pancreas and type 1 diabetes, which in turn led to insulin therapy. If you ended up with type 1 diabetes, overlordkiwi, would you use insulin to save your life?
Some animal rights people argue that we should be doing experiments on pedophiles instead. Well, my perspective is that criminals are still nonetheless human beings, and I prefer to think of things in terms of "members of human societies" and "not members of human socieities"; (though if a criminal were to otherwise be executed, I'd rather experiments be done on them instead) and IIRC, aren't there certain kinds of apes often argued to be our "evolutionary cousins" that don't have a taboo against pedophilia? Wouldn't that make those pedophile-equivalents? And that's not even close to the worst things about animals; life outside of civilization is full-blown survival of the fittest. How much more humane would you expect the wild to be than the lab? As such, how much would the animal benefit from being released into the wild, compared to the benefits to humans of the experiments on them?
The killing in the wild may be more "natural" but when you really think about it, is the distinction really meaningful? Technology is an indirect result of our evolutionary history; artificial things, being a result of the natural world, are therefore technically natural. It really depends on what you claim the distinction is. Oh and as for the P&T episode on PETA... (EDIT: Language warning!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0exLa6saV9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAJ6-X7zvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gpEyHWXqQ4
Not that I always agree with their views, but I think they made good points here, especially in the scene starting at about 2 and a half minutes into the second video.
Normally, I like to live and let live. I let the vegetarians and vegans eat their menus while I stick to mine. Whatever someone wants to do with their own life is fine by me.
But when someone from another faction comes into my personal area and tries to tell me I'm a bad person when I've refrained graciously from doing such to them, I tend to get sore about it. Whenever hypocrites like PETA, who wind up euthanizing more strays than they save and fund terror groups, try to subject me to their opinions and call me a monster when I speak my opinions to them, I tend to care less and less about their feelings and more and more about how they annoy me and how I'd like to see terrible things happen to them.
Nobody with any sense likes PETA anymore. I've never met a single vegetarian or vegan (and I've worked with several in the past year alone) who doesn't see them as a corrupt bunch of hyperbole-abusing hypocrites who accomplish nothing of worth in this world.
tl;dr: PETA are a bunch of fat money-grubbing terror-funding animal-genociding hypocrites who are disallowed from having opinions ever.
Hey Troy? Will you marry me?
~Tobe
LOL Kiwi's one of those foolish vegetarians who thinks we can't just eat animals despite the fact that we have the sharp teeth and we're on top of the food chain.
PETA and other animal activists annoy me to no end. PETA for the obvious reasons.
And the fact that people always cry about cute animals being endangered. Think about it, when was the last time people worried about bees, snails, and frogs compared to something like pandas and polar bears. The former three are endanger as well. And the fact that they're also low on the food chain doesn't make it better.
I don't think this is gonna go anywhere decent with Kiwi's hostile/ignorant nature...which is a shame, since the topic itself is a pretty serious one and actually warrents a conversation. Not like I support Peta, given my LOVE of meat, but I recognise there are problems in this area...
But all the pointing fingers and screaming murderer...eh, doesn't solve anything at all. :/
I was once primarily a vegetarian that loved animals, but now I love animals even more. In my stomach.
On the same subject, why doesn't anyone think about how the plants feel? They have just as much a right to live as farm animals, but you don't see anyone raising a fuss over a cabbage going in a pot of boiling water. Plants have feeling to, ya know!
That's sarcasm in case our friend thinks otherwise. Though I do believe it is a valid point.
Hey Troy? Will you marry me?
~Tobe
BACK OFF I called dibs on Troy First! >:(
This whole thread is like Mr.Stubborn from the Mr. Men show. No matter how many times you try to tell him that he is incorrect, he'll keep denying it, then repeat the same thing over and over again hoping that everyone will just give up and agree with him.
... Oh, Welcome to the Board overlordkiwi! :D
On the same subject, why doesn't anyone think about how the plants feel? They have just as much a right to live as farm animals, but you don't see anyone raising a fuss over a cabbage going in a pot of boiling water. Plants have feeling to, ya know!
That's sarcasm in case our friend thinks otherwise. Though I do believe it is a valid point.
Pretty weak analogy, since plants probably wouldn't have feelings; IIRC, consciousness is the result of interaction of neurons in the brain, so plants wouldn't really "experience" what's happening to them.
But yeah, they do seem to focus on the cuter animals. I don't notice much PETA campaigning for the "rights" of spiders and ants...
Pretty weak analogy, since plants probably wouldn't have feelings; IIRC, consciousness is the result of interaction of neurons in the brain, so plants wouldn't really "experience" what's happening to them.
Not really. PETA seem to be campaigning on the right to life, not on the right to not be hurt.
Pretty weak analogy, since plants probably wouldn't have feelings; IIRC, consciousness is the result of interaction of neurons in the brain, so plants wouldn't really "experience" what's happening to them.
Not really. PETA seem to be campaigning on the right to life, not on the right to not be hurt.
Zuh? So it's okay for people to 'hurt' an animal, but only to the extent that it doesn't violate that particular animal's right to life? The hell kinda logic is that?
You people! You monsters! Don't you want to save the sea kittens!
http://www.telegraph.co.u...anded-as-sea-kittens.html
http://www.peta.org/sea_kittens/
I mean, nobody would want to eat something called a sea kitten(despite being slimy, ugly, and tasty when cooked or even raw)!
So yeah, save the sea kitten or something. See ya all at the sushi bar...
Though I noticed people seem to be focusing on their views on meat-eating; what about their views on experiments on animals? Eating some meat is probably healthier than eating none, but experiments on animals led to many treatments, one of which saved my life; Banting and Best doing experiments on dogs led them to see the connection between the pancreas and type 1 diabetes, which in turn led to insulin therapy. If you ended up with type 1 diabetes, overlordkiwi, would you use insulin to save your life?
This is a far more interesting subject than veganism and I think that's why it's not as commonly argued. Inhibiting science is far more dangerous than making choices about what not to eat that is a common food.
The killing in the wild may be more "natural" but when you really think about it, is the distinction really meaningful? Technology is an indirect result of our evolutionary history; artificial things, being a result of the natural world, are therefore technically natural. It really depends on what you claim the distinction is.
Everything is natural, otherwise it wouldn't exist.
And the fact that people always cry about cute animals being endangered. Think about it, when was the last time people worried about bees, snails, and frogs compared to something like pandas and polar bears. The former three are endanger as well. And the fact that they're also low on the food chain doesn't make it better.
That is an extremely ignorant but too common argument. Everybody who is remotely competent about the subject knows that every species is important. We just use the popular species to get people to donate. See recent WWF commercial to save "the polar bear and many other species."
PEOPLE
people
please
PETA is not trying to make all of the world veg.
it is for the ethic treatment of animals
if they went massed produced it would be different
PEOPLE
people
please
PETA is not trying to make all of the world veg.it is for the ethic treatment of animals
if they went massed produced it would be different
So does peta have a description of what they'd accept as being an ethical method in which to slaughter animals? otherwise we would now have consume animals whilst they are alive in a manner that causes them no pain?
no not that i am aware of but there trying not just complaning about it trying they have hope.
So why aren't PETA campaigning against crocodiles? They drown their prey, and drowning is an awful way to die. Not to mention they often dismember it before they eat it.
What about jellyfish? They go so far as to painfully paralyze their prey before eating it.
How about snakes? Some kill like the jellyfish and some suffocate their prey.
Or spiders? They liquify their prey's innards.
The animal kingdom has been killing its prey in far more inhuman an unethical ways for much longer than humanity has.
Well one thing yeah killing is wrong but as most people say it all predators kill animals and eat them. How come PETA doesn't jump on the animals?
Not to mention the human body sorta NEEDS protein and iron and stuff and most of that is found in animal meat.
PEOPLE
people
please
PETA is not trying to make all of the world veg.it is for the ethic treatment of animals
if they went massed produced it would be different
I have a Cracked article just for you. Language warning.
America outlawed slavery...but we have ants that continue the practice in our own backyard. Literally.
Dolphins kill each other just for the heck of it, apparently.
Oh yeah, and let's not forget chimps occasionally eating their young.
Also, I submit the Brazilian Wandering Spider for case study.
Pretty weak analogy, since plants probably wouldn't have feelings; IIRC, consciousness is the result of interaction of neurons in the brain, so plants wouldn't really "experience" what's happening to them.
Not really. PETA seem to be campaigning on the right to life, not on the right to not be hurt.
Zuh? So it's okay for people to 'hurt' an animal, but only to the extent that it doesn't violate that particular animal's right to life? The hell kinda logic is that?
No.
matthayter was saying that it makes no sense for PETA to try and protect plants as they can't feel pain. I said that doesn't make sense as PETA's priority seems to be stopping people from killing things, not from hurting them. That's not to say that they *encourage* hurting animals, but killing something is, in their minds, a much worse action than just hurting it. So Rose's point, although sarcastic, does kinda ring true - it doesn't matter whether a plant can feel pain or not - by their logic, killing a carrot should be just as reprehensible as killing a cow.
Don't forget that a lot of the plant kingdom grows toward the sun, and some like sunflowers will actively follow the sun as it moves across the sky, so they must have at least enough sense to know where it is.
For every animal you save I shall eat two.
I see your two and raise you a turkey.
I'm going all in with a 10-piece chicken nugget meal.
I think you can find the site from the picture, and search around for the rant to go with this if you want. I don't tend to actually directly link things that are over the rating limit. Unlike Ultra that vulgar mouthed spreader of liberal propaganda. 
~Tobe
PETA's also been involved with like, a bunch of shady terrorism that kind of deals with their idea of their organization. I forget the details, really, and it's too late to cite. Just google "Pen and Teller Peta" and I'm pretty sure the first link you'll get will explain everything to you.
Warning though, it's... Pen and Teller. So you're bound to hear naughties.
This thread is making me hungry. *Eats Kiki*
Also it is reminding me of Kill it, Cook it, Eat it, a very educational show.
