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(@veckums)
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What is your position on vegetarianism and animal rights and how do you justify it?

I'm not a vegetarian, but I try hard to eat any meat I do order. I also only eat prey animals. "Animals eat animals" is a rather simple answer that is convenient but a person doing something is not a justification. Personally I just eat what I do because I like to. Demand isn't increased much by my few orders, so I'm probably not killing anything. Veganism, well, sorry, I just need cheese.

Of course animal rights are important and I don't believe in sport hunting or fishing, especially fishing for environmental reasons. Sport hunting I could support if it was environmentally required. Medical research is a trickier subject. If it's actually an important experiment, sure, but students could be using simulations and cosmetics testing is not an important area of research.

 
(@trudi-speed)
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I eat meat solely because even if I did want to turn vegitarian or vegan, the amount of fruit and vegitables I like is so low I'd starve. I'm low on iron anyway and struggle to swallow tablets so I need all the iron I can get.

Humans have evolved so we need meat as we can't make our own vitamins very well. Sure, some plants do provide a lot of the vitamines, but do they supply enough without needing vast amounts? They might, I don't know. I haven't heard of any myself.

I've said in one of the other sub-forums that I don't like eating anything which looks like the animal it came from. Hypocritical? Probably. Just how I am.

I am generally pro-animal rights, but not like those lunitics who blow things up about it. I don't like the idea of hunting and fishing unless it's to supply food, or animal testing in cosmetics. I definatly disagree with fox hunting, as ripping the poor thing apart is just gruesome.

As for medical research, although it's not particularly humane I agree with it. As long as the animals are given otherwise good living conditions, not packed into tiny cages, then it's okay as long as it's needed.

I'm not going to put a rat before a cure for cancer, I'm afraid.

 
(@john-taylor_1722027898)
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I likes my meat. I live on a dairy farm and I don't have an attachment to the cows. There is nothing personal, its just that they are made of beef and I need something in between two bits of bread.

Hell, I've even had deer. Its like a sweet lamb. Don't say "I'm off to eat Bambi" before your meal though. Horrible feelings. Was going to try pheasant at one point. Didn't look tasty though.

I am against animal cruelty.

I don't hunt or fish. I do think "what wankers..." when people fish for sport. Throwing the fish back in afterwards just seems pointless.

I do think animal testing for medical uses is kinda acceptable. A lot of procedures have been tested on animals first and thanks to them we are able to perform organ transplants and more. But it is something I don't like thinking about too much.

 
(@saint15)
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im a vegetarian, but mainly because i just dont like the taste of most meat. i do eat fish on occasion but thats because i dont really have any other way to get protein..and it does taste good :)

im not against testing stuff on mice and rats nd stuff like that, because well people said before, it helps us understand cancer and other deseases better.

i am against people who throw and hit their pets, people who dont feed or take care of their pets, they dont deserve their animals. hunting i dont really support either.

im not against dairy products, because milking the cow doesnt really hurt it, and actually it makes the cow sick if they arent milked from what ive heard.

most uber animal rights people take it too far anyway..blowing up buildings and stuff.. its not right. and also the vegan couple who didnt feed the baby his mother's milk, that was rediculous.

 
(@sandygunfox)
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I'm not really opinionated on this matter. I don't really understand people that hunt for sport; and while I don't really strongly disagree with it, I do consider it pointless killing of animals etc.

However, I have met hunters that at least eat the animal (Had deer with the guy; it's actually pretty good.). I have no problem with that in that case - I mean, if not, they'd just buy a burger or something anyway, and that'd just be a different animal death. But to kill animals for the sake of killing animals...eh. Why? It doesn't really prove anything other than a man with all the natural conveniences, like chemical lures and high powered rifles, can best an animal defenseless to such things.

I don't understand vegetarians. Man was designed to eat meat. Man has eaten meat for all of recorded (and unrecorded) history. Beyond that, I couldn't fathom a life without honey-batter chicken.

 
(@ultra-sonic-007)
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I don't like the PETA people who demand I do not eat any animals whatsoever. I like meat, and I need the protein. It's not like I'm forcing them to follow my diet either. Seriously, aren't we animals too? Watch a shark eat a seal; does that mean one animal can eat meat, but I - another animal - can't?

I have nothing against vegetarians. They tend to be less militant than some vegans I've read about (note, I said SOME vegans).

Animal cruelty is a no-no. All the dogs in Michael Vick's neighborhood agree.

I'm all for using animals for medical research. Without animal test subjects, much of the progress we've made in the field of medicine simply would not exist. It would grind to a halt.

I don't like the idea of sport hunting, but I know that a lot of hunters are conservationists, and they can keep some populations in balance to keep one animal species from overcrowding and dominating others. And there's the whole meat and pelt thing. Ever had bison steak? Mmm...it's got a tangier taste than regular beef.

Oh, don't forget deer sausage. It's the only kind of sausage I've ever enjoyed.

 
 Kaze
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I'm no vegan, but these days I can say I've been eating less meat save for chicken, fish, and beef, though mostly chicken.

I don't understand what the purpose of some animal testing is, so I can't form any opinion on the matter.
What really grinds my gears are people who hunt for sport and cruelty to animals. Pointless killing and the mistreatment of animals is just not cool.

 
(@steebay31)
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I eat meat, and I don't see myself not eating it. I mean, my mom's meals always had some sort of meat in it, so it's pretty routine for me. I kinda feel wrong about it since the animals that I'm eating were raised just so humans could eat them. It just seems that humans have totally f**ked up everything with how many chickens and cows and other animals we raise in billions, just for eating. And I would never really go out of my way to stop us from raising that many animals.

Yeh, I believe in animal rights, but I hate people who are extreme about it, actually for that matter, I hate people who are extreme about anything. Sport hunting is pretty lame, but my dad used to take me fishing, which was sort of enjoyable.

Medicinal testing on animals I approve of. I would rather have an animal die than a human. Cosmetics testing and stuff like that I feel is very unnecessary and shouldn't be done.

SX quote:


Man was designed to eat meat.


I read somewhere that it is debated whether the tooth structure of humans is designed for a herbivorous diet or a carnivorous diet (or both). And just because peoplekind (lulz) has eaten meat for ages, does not mean we were meant of it.

 
(@cykairus)
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Actually, humankind is omnivorous, meaning we were meant to eat both.

 
(@spiner-storm)
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I'll eat whatever I want. No one's going to stop me, and quite frankly, nothing's going to change my mind on the matter.

 
(@stewie0015)
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I like meat... meat is yummy.

I like how the Vegans try to push their views on others... like it's a damned religion. That's what irritates me. And don't get me going on PETA... lolz, those guys make me laugh. (If I can be arsed, I'll dig up an article about them that made me laugh =)

Hunting... I'd rather see you use the meat than throw it away. Actually, hell I will go as far as saying I really dislike sport hunting. There are enough starving people in the world, no need to waste good food (I sound like a mother D: THINK OF THE STARVING CHILDREN IN AFRICA!!!).

As for the testing... Hell, instead of waste space, I'll just agree with Susan.

 
(@saint15)
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i think its horrible how many people support PETA without even knowing what they are doing.. especially younger people, which is -my- generation, and i really dont want PETA in the future :/
and i forgot to mention before that while i am against hunting, its not as bad if you are going to eat the animal, because once i went fishing, but we cooked and ate the fish and we only caught three to feed me, my brother, and my cousin. but its not something i would do every day.
and also people who stuff the animals and put it on their walls or on the living room...i find that repulsive :(

 
(@erika-the-ocelot)
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While I don't really mind eating only vegetables, eating meat is important for a healthy diet (as long as you don't exaggerate and eat too much too often), so I don't mind it at all.
I could become a vegetarian if I wanted to, but I'd never ever become a vegan. Pasta without cheese just isn't the same thing.

Animal rights are important. They're living beings just like us after all. This doesn't mean we can't kill them for food, though, that's just the way nature goes. You kill to eat. Unless you're a plant and can live on unorganic things.

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As for medical research, although it's not particularly humane I agree with it. As long as the animals are given otherwise good living conditions, not packed into tiny cages, then it's okay as long as it's needed.


And Susan put it much better than I could have done.

 
(@sandygunfox)
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Yeah, I hate vegetarians that feel they need to flaunt vegetarianism, just like (PLEASE don't think I'm making an example of anyone; I'm not) gays that feel they need to turn everyone around them, or Holier-Than-Thou religious types, or gamers/computer geeks that feel they need to oppress anyone who likes a diffrent genre/console/OS. Or any other example, I have dozens.

It's not a damned religion, the Church of Lettuce doesn't require tyou to spread the word, and if the person next to you is eating meat, don't hate them for it.

As for PETA, they kinda scare me. In the humourous way. But not as much as those fronts that blow up chicken coops and throw blood on people as they walk out of fur stores.

 
(@Anonymous)
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I once tried becoming vegan, but it turns out my craving for the taste of meat beats out my will power by a pretty big margin. Aside from that little trip I'm not to knowledgable of vegetarianism or animal rights.

 
(@gb-supernova)
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I don't mind if people want to be a vegetarian, but I don't like the activism on the parts of some. One simply cannot bind something like this on others.

Personally, I'm not a vegetarian; I like meat too much to want to give it up.

 
(@xagarath-ankor)
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I eat animals.
I otherwise do not harm them unless they're a direct threat to me.
This is how most animals react to one another, so I see nothing wrong with it.

 
(@matthayter700)
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Well, it's one thing for someone to choose not to eat meat and completely another for someone to try to stop others from eating meat; in the first they're only affecting themselves for their reasons and in the second they're affecting others for their reasons. For some animal rights activists I find them hypocritical for NOT being vegetarian, like those who eat meat and yet are opposed to experiments on animals. Eating some meat may be a bit healthier than eating none but some people with life-threatening diseases need treatments that experiments on animals helped develop in order to SURVIVE. Banting and Best experimenting on dogs led them to discover the connection between the pancreas and type 1 diabetes. This shows that experimenting on animals saved millions of lives, including my own, and for the latter, I owe it at least my support, even though I was opposed to animal rights even before my diabetes diagnosis years ago. Who knows what further discoveries could come from these kinds of experiments?

Vec, what do you mean you "only eat prey animals"? What you're talking about with the "Animals eat animals" part may seem simplistic but it's part of a broader concept, that animal rights is contradictory in itself; animals are cruel to other animals and yet it's somehow worse when humans are, so if animals are "equal" to humans then animal rights itself IS reverse discrimination. Nature is all about survival of the fittest, but at least human society tries to establish certain standards of rights and/or ethics, depending on the society, and we've made a lot of progress compared to animals in a level of constant change unique to humans.

Why don't we see much popular support for the "rights" of spiders, or ants, or insects? Such inconsistency and one has to wonder where to draw the line, but I think a reasonable place would be at whether or not they're "members of human society" which in turn satisfies analogies about racism and sexism. Women are members of human society. Ethnic minorities are members of human society. Homosexuals are members of human society. Even pets could be considered members of human society given how they're, well "adopted" by humans.

Vec, you mention cosmetics testing being unnecessary, and I agree, but if animals' "rights" depend on the reasons for "violating" them then we have a bit of a problem with consistency; after all with consumer demand for cosmetics it could be considered going against "consumer choice" to say that one reason is better than the other, even if we have reason to believe that, especially in a society where companies get away with selling junk food to kids.

As for the part about hunting, I find cases where hunting actually benefits the environment ironic, especially since I so often see animal rights be associated with environmentalism when they're two different things; an example showing where the two contrast shows that we really should be looking at them separately. It's almost like how the political spectrum associates opinions on way too many different issues with each other at the same time to make sense; though then again, that's another story.

 
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