You know, I have no problems with people doing whatever they want with their own bodies to attain whatever goal they wish to seek, even if it leads to greater issues in life. Bruce Lee pushed himself above and beyond and acheived almost super human feats, which probably lead to his young death.

However, this is kind'a creepy...though that might be because I'd like to keep my eye's away from glue as much as possible.

I've heard about this before. It's not so much to look like anime characters. Its more a thing of trying to look caucasian. The main difference between the caucasian and asian eyes is in the folds in the eye-lids - caucasian have more folds. It's been going on for a while now, but not openly. I read an artical in NEO Issue 53 (Jan '09) where a popular Taiwanese actor, Zheng Yuan Chang, publicly admitted that he glues his eye-lids to this effect.

The main issue is whether it should be considered wrong, or disrespectful to ones genetic heritage, or whether it's just yet another form of cosmetic surgery, like getting a face-lift.

"It's not so much to look like anime characters. Its more a thing of trying to look caucasian"

hey almost every race has wide eyes! although i get what you're saying

"The main issue is whether it should be considered wrong, or disrespectful to ones genetic heritage, or whether it's just yet another form of cosmetic surgery, like getting a face-lift"

i have wide eyes and i have to say i honestly think the girl in the video is prettier then me (before she glued her eyelids) it just works for her face its cute and attractive.
i think the make up is okay, but widening their eyes.. its not the same as a face lift.

If I did not see how it was done, it would not be creepy, because the effect is quite natural looking. The only thing that's creepy about it is EWW GLUE NEAR EYES.

Just because a person is of a race, that doesn't mean they have to identify with everything about that race. I hereby create the word "transracial!"

its poking that plastic wishbone-like thing in her sockets that scare me

As someone lightly immersed in the cosplay community, I have to say those tutorials were pretty bland. I mean, those are all well and good for "I'm going out and want to look pretty" make-up, but it doesn't even touch on the obsessive craziness of the real "I want to look like an anime character" madness we cosplayers endure.

This said, the glue behind the eyes thing for Asians is a stroke of genius, I commend the person with bravery enough to have invented it.

craaaaaaaaaaaaaaig! how could you support that eye gluing thing?
   are you saying her eyes werent pretty before? <is in shock>

Of course a girl can be pretty without cosmetic alterations, but that's beside the point.  The point of makeup is to please yourself, and if that means covering freckles with foundation or using glue to widen your eyes, so be it.  Of course girls should love their natural bodies, but what's wrong with changing things up?  Widening the eyes with temporary glue is exactly like any other modern cosmetic.  There's nothing wrong with it and I support this endeavor.  :3

Mada, I am in favor of anyone doing anything to their body that makes them feel they are prettier. I have no ideals of a generic and overal "beauty" standard which runs across all of humanity. One person's disgusting wad of flesh with icky veins, poking bones and these hideous little knubs that wriggle around is another person's foot fetish.

So, my perseptions on a person's beauty are based on their own, not mine. If someone who wakes up at 5am and goes to work without coffee is complaining about their hair being a mess, when I see a sexy wild kitten nest of raw sexual heat in hair form, I am not going to say "You kidding me, you look sexy as hell", as that would be offensive to them, who percieve themselves as looking less than their best.

Now, if we're talking low-esteem, then I'll step in, but if they just think they look better when X-Y or Z is applied, who am I to judge. I hate piercings, but they are rampant. Why not eye glue, ear elongations, tri-color nails and all the other fancy make-up awesome which makes people individual and stand out.

"If someone who wakes up at 5am and goes to work without coffee is complaining about their hair being a mess, when I see a sexy wild kitten nest of raw sexual heat in hair form, I am not going to say "You kidding me, you look sexy as hell", as that would be offensive to them, who percieve themselves as looking less than their best"

<scratches head> i dont get it why wont you say you like it if you do? its true pluse its a compliment isnt that a good thing to say? i dont think its offensive.

"I hate piercings, but they are rampant. Why not eye glue, ear elongations, tri-color nails and all the other fancy make-up awesome which makes people individual and stand out"

it's not the same as widening the eyes, its like those fake breasts some women wear. its a lie that can't last forever. what if a guy liked that girl for having wide eyes or she hears people complimenting her glued eyes ... that can't feel good.

"Try pushing your finger above your eyeball into the socket; it's powerful and it hurts!"

noooo scary >_<   i look much better without glasses but i'm too scared of contact lenses so you can imagine this method is never gonna get into my head.
but your explaining of that ... um tool thing was interesting. still its gross and worrysome, what if someone suddenly opened the door and spooked her or something.

That train of thought leads to a slippery slope, though, Mada. If you consider unnattural and temporary alterations to be a "lie", then where does it begin and end. Fake nails and eyelashes are commonly accepted into society, and are clearly lies. The entire concept of make-up is to temporarily enhance beauty, and will always come off and reveal a bare and naked original self.

And what of permanent surgery. What if a person were to forever have their eyeslit folded, making their eyes wider, or use plastic surgery to enhance their chest size? Then the lie would last forever. Is it still wrong in that case?

Forgive me, as I am playing devil's advocate. I just want to see where your opinions stem from, even though I understand and even partially agree with them.

"i dont get it why wont you say you like it if you do? its true pluse its a compliment isnt that a good thing to say? i dont think its offensive." - sonicsfan1991

"Offensiveness" is somewhat subjective to begin with. I thought the concern was more so that if she doesn't like her own appearance, she might not react well to others who claim to like it. Not sure though.

"it's not the same as widening the eyes, its like those fake breasts some women wear. its a lie that can't last forever." - sonicsfan1991

The same could be said for makeup or stuff like that. There's all kinds of phony things done with appearance.

"what if a guy liked that girl for having wide eyes or she hears people complimenting her glued eyes ... that can't feel good." - sonicsfan1991

What do you base that on? Besides, she's choosing to give herself those "fake" eyes, I doubt people are forcing her to.

"i look much better without glasses" - sonicsfan1991

Now I'm curious as to what you look like with and/or without glasses. Attractiveness is subjective, and different appearances can be attractive in different ways.

I haven't bothered with the videos linked to, partly because I'm not that interested in videos about ways to fake appearance. I just found some posts made in response somewhat interesting.

noooo scary >_< i look much better without glasses but i'm too scared of contact lenses so you can imagine this method is never gonna get into my head.

Eh, I'm a contact wearer, and it's gotten to where it doesn't hurt to stick my finger in my eye. Sometimes, I even forget I have the contacts in.  It only hurts when something, like an eyelash, gets under the contacts. That hurts worse.

I've worn contacts for nearly thirteen years now and wish I'd gotten over the feelings you described enough to try them sooner - the reality isn't scary at all.

"I've worn contacts for nearly thirteen years now and wish I'd gotten over the feelings you described enough to try them sooner - the reality isn't scary at all"

i dont know i still get afraid of eye drops and i'd never use any make up or such near my eyes -.- i wish i could be brave like you and kayla  and go for the contacts but i guess i cant.

"The same could be said for makeup or stuff like that. There's all kinds of phony things done with appearance"

make up, fake nails .. those all highlight beauty, it doesnt have the same transformation as widening the eyes.

"And what of permanent surgery. What if a person were to forever have their eyeslit folded, making their eyes wider, or use plastic surgery to enhance their chest size? Then the lie would last forever. Is it still wrong in that case?"

i wish they wouldnt, i honestly think plastic surgery should be to fix problems not cause vanity issues. what then? what's the point? and is it good for younger girls to see other woman reject their natural appearance, not everyone can pay those operations.

"Forgive me, as I am playing devil's advocate. I just want to see where your opinions stem from, even though I understand and even partially agree with them"

no way its totally fun talking to craig, be that um advocate thing anytime!

"i wish i could be brave like you and kayla  and go for the contacts" - sonicsfan1991

Why, exactly? If you went into some college-level chemistry labs with contacts on, you could risk losing your eyesight. I'm guessing there's a variety of other problems relating to contacts. Are you sure a supposedly better appearance would be worth those kinds of problems?

"make up, fake nails .. those all highlight beauty" - sonicsfan1991

In what sense is that "highlighting beauty" that ISN'T fake like "fake breasts" are? Where do you draw the line?

"i wish they wouldnt, i honestly think plastic surgery should be to fix problems not cause vanity issues. what then?" - sonicsfan1991

As if treating appearance as enough of a reason to wear contacts wasn't vain? Granted, it's not as drastic as surgery, but I mean in terms of the same general principle, from makeup to plastic surgery, it's still vanity.

Let people do what they want to themselves. Although there should be a line. I place the line round-about here:

As it's been said before, it's impossible to draw a line because there really isn't one when it comes to temporary cosmetics. Can someone correct me?

I personally think women are more attractive without makeup, but hey, I'm not a chick so I'm not gonna tell them what to wear/not to wear. To each his/her own as far as I'm concerned, as long as they don't hurt themselves or others.

Y'know Mada, your opinions seem childish as they often vary- what I mean is, you say that you dont know why saying that someoen's sexy when they think their not is sexy, then, without even noticing it, you give an exact example of that very thing...

i dont get it why wont you say you like it if you do? its true pluse its a compliment isnt that a good thing to say? i dont think its offensive.

Then you go and say...

it's not the same as widening the eyes, its like those fake breasts some women wear. its a lie that can't last forever. what if a guy liked that girl for having wide eyes or she hears people complimenting her glued eyes ... that can't feel good.

Seriously. I hope you aren't offended by this question, because I don't mean it that way, but how old are you?

I think the best way of wording this is how comfortable she feels doing it. If she's comfortable doing it then why not. If she's more comfortable with the wider eyes then that's how she is really.

Personally I feel really uncomfortable wearing make up so I don't. Most of the people I know feel uncomfortable without make up. We've never really remarked on it to one another so it's no big deal.

If she's uncomfortable with her own appearance it's quite sad but it's not really unusual in the slightest. If she wants to change it then she's in her right to do so. After all, I want braces when I can get to afford them to correct my stupid crooked teeth. It's a similar thing.

I was kind of grossed out by the video but I get quite squeemish about my eyes ahaha!

I hear you. I'm uncomfortable touching that area with my finger, let alone a contact lens or a little pink fork. In my high school production of Macbeth, we'd decided that my Banquo would wear an eyepatch. Then, when his ghost haunts Macbeth, I wouldn't be wearing it. My drama teacher teased me over how twitchy I got while she applied the "empty eye socket" makeup. ^^

Why, exactly? If you went into some college-level chemistry labs with contacts on, you could risk losing your eyesight. I'm guessing there's a variety of other problems relating to contacts. Are you sure a supposedly better appearance would be worth those kinds of problems?

Why do you think goggles or safety glasses are required equipment in such labs?

I'd say the benefits of contacts outweigh the possible problems. For one, I don't have to worry about glasses getting smudged, scratched, or broken.

Like I said, it really only becomes a problem when something gets under them or when they dry out. The former can be remedied by taking them out and cleaning them, and the latter by putting some eye drops in. I keep a little bottle of eye drops in my purse for such an occasion.

Isn't having big innocent round eyes a fetish a lot of Japanese men have?

"Why do you think goggles or safety glasses are required equipment in such labs?" - KaylaTheHedgehog

To protect the eyes from potential splashes of chemicals, I think. But goggles and safety glasses don't protect from fumes, and IIRC part of the issue with contacts was that some of the fumes in the air could react with some of the chemicals in the contacts, creating harmful by-products that could cause blindness. I guess it's an issue of remembering to take out one's contacts before entering the lab, but there's still potential issues like forgetting, or thinking you already have them taken out when you don't, etc...

"I'd say the benefits of contacts outweigh the possible problems. For one, I don't have to worry about glasses getting smudged, scratched, or broken." - KaylaTheHedgehog

I realize that personal appearance isn't the only reason for wearing contacts, but I was responding to sonicsfan1991 who was giving a very appearance-centric reason for wanting to wear them. Of course, it's up to her whether or not she wears contacts, too, but I also found it a bit ironic to be calling things like "fake breasts" vain while using appearance as a reason to wear contacts.

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Isn't having big innocent round eyes a fetish a lot of Japanese men have?

GOD! Can we PLEASE have a topic on this forum that DOESN'T end in talking about FETISHES~!

Well, the thread really wasn't heading in that direction, but since you mentioned it...

You joke, but I honestly think a decent thread in Marble about the nature and tolerance of fetishes is a legitimate topic of discussion. Maybe it's because we're hip-joined to the furry community we treat it as a joke, but this talk never does get treated with the serious and mature respect that it deserves.

Well, the thread really wasn't heading in that direction, but since you mentioned it...

Shoehedgie is a Japanese man that wears Eggwoman clothes and has a fetish for female big innocent round eyes? O_O

Also, mofo? mature?

I thought that immaturity was one of the pre-reqs for membership.

Have I been lied to all this time?

i been seriously debating topics on the forum... its just cause i'm from another world my thinking and ideals are unusal i havent been taking seriously. as for the others i think its a "phase" with them, being singles and over 20 and probably financially struggling makes them look for a cheap laugh -.- rather then be serious topic debaters that is.

Mada, some people have a sense of humor that they actually use, even in serious debates. There's nothing wrong with it, and doesn't mean that they're financially struggling bachelors looking for cheap laughs. I actually find that offensive, and honestly, it comes off as immaturity,

Mada, some people have a sense of humor that they actually use, even in serious debates. There's nothing wrong with it, and doesn't mean that they're financially struggling bachelors looking for cheap laughs. I actually find that offensive, and honestly, it comes off as immaturity,

episonic, please when you say i offened you i get hurt really badly, my heart just sinks... i know i lack the ability to tell when i'm being honest or when my honesty is rude that's why i try carefuly to make my statements general. so try to be patient around me and dont take my words to heart.

anyway debates are intersting cause you get to see how other's thinking is and maybe enlighting your own thinking from the opposing opinions and learn new ideas and views...it's a grown experiance. if people arent going to be serious we'd miss out on all that, and there's lots of interesting people here i'd like to see them in action  that's why i aid serious topics in the marble section.

as for the others i think its a "phase" with them, being singles and
over 20 and probably financially struggling makes them look for a cheap
laugh -.- rather then be serious topic debaters that is.

You don't think that that's potentially offensive, Mada?

You don't know the age, gender or status of the vast majority of the people you're talking about - but ever since you started posting on this forum, you've been making these sweeping statements about who we must be and how we have to act to fit your definition of being a good person, and feeling mortally offended on a personal level when we dare suggest otherwise.

For somebody who gets outright preachy about the slightest hint of other people generalising, you're one of the most unthinkingly judgemental people here and you don't even grasp your own hypocrisy, even when it's pointed out.

Please don't start talking about how I'm somehow always out to upset you and making you cry again after reading that. I'm not saying this to be mean to you - I'm saying this because I've seen multiple people react like this, or tell you to stop generalising or acting as though your morality is the only game in town, or question your age because you do come across as immature. Just like I said before when you stormed off the forum for the second time because you claimed I upset you that much.

I'm not angry with you or out to get you. I'm watching people questioning you or even mocking you and you're not even realising it, and I want you to understand why that is, because I don't like seeing someone being made the butt of the joke or being needlessly upset like that.

... i read what you said i'll try to pay attention to what i say next time.

Mada, I think a major part of the problem is jumping to conclusions... both here and in a couple other cases I can think of you seem to have assumed as to someone's real-life personality, and in turn even their age, based only on their online personality, which for all you know could be all an act. Perhaps refraining from jumping to conclusions in the future could help solve this?

I agree completely with what MH and Sam said.

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Shoehedgie is a Japanese man that wears Eggwoman clothes and has a fetish for female big innocent round eyes? O_O

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Craig Bayfield"]You joke, but I honestly think a decent thread in Marble about the nature and tolerance of fetishes is a legitimate topic of discussion. Maybe it's because we're hip-joined to the furry community we treat it as a joke, but this talk never does get treated with the serious and mature respect that it deserves.