Why is the country getting so worked up over this?

This is just an issue of people trying to blame video games when bad parenting is involved.

*RANT*

1.You do NOT see this cutscene during normal gameplay.

2. From what I understand, it takes at least a gameshark or something like that to open it, so the kid would have to know what he was doing in order to get at it. It's not being forced upon him.

3. If you were stupid enough to buy this game for your undrage kid then you, my friend, are an idiot. Plain and simple.

4.HOW MUCH CLEARER CAN ERSB BE?! Seriously! They put a rating out that's even clearer than the movie rating system (haven't heard anyone complaining about it lately...), and people still buy games rated M17+ for kids. NOTE THE 17+ on the package!

*END RANT*

That's all I got ta say about dat.

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Meanwhile, California Assemblyman Leland Yee, a well-known anti-game Naz--er, lobbyist, fired a verbal broadside against the Entertainment Software Rating Board for "failing to appropriately rate" the game. "Once again, ESRB has failed our parents," quoth Yee. "Plain and simple, parents cannot trust the ESRB to rate games appropriately or the industry to look out for our children's best interests." Remember, the minigame can only be unearthed by installing the Hot Coffee mod.

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What rating did the game have in North America? I was under the impression that it was already 18+/Adults Only or whatever equivelent they use. Parents shouldn't be letting their kids play games intended only for adults in the first place.

M 17+.

What losers.....

What rating did the game have in North America? I was under the impression that it was already 18+/Adults Only or whatever equivelent they use. Parents shouldn't be letting their kids play games intended only for adults in the first place.
It got a Mature rating, or 17+. There's another rating above that called Adults Only (18+) which is reserved for games with porno in them.

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It got a Mature rating, or 17+. There's another rating above that called Adults Only (18+) which is reserved for games with porno in them.

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What's the friggin' point of having a 17+ AND an 18+? It's only one year of difference.

And how is it pornographic in anyway? They're both wearing clothes, dammit (I've seen the mod in "action"). It's nothing big.

The rating system isn't to blame at all though, considering this is a recent discovery in a game that's 8 or 9 months old now, you can hardly expect them to have found it without tampering with the game itself.

In a similar note, a servay was carried out, by some company or other (I'll get back with the name later), in which the majority of parents said they had no problem with letting their kids play mature rated games. I'll get a scan of the page later if asked for specific details. Even though this is obvious it is troubling, if more kids are allowed to play these games then blame the games themselves for the problems, all we can expect is constant stupidity from parents who don't realise their own faults, and thus, companies end up getting into court over things that are blatantly not their fault.

I'm glad my Mom hates the fact that I play these games, even though I don't go out and commit acts of violence or theft from their influence (and sometimes it would be much diserved, but I know better anyway).

What's the friggin' point of having a 17+ AND an 18+? It's only one year of difference.
Most retailers don't sell AO-rated games. An AO rating would severely undermine the game's profitability.

I don't get why people find such joy in opening fire on police and innocent bystanders in the first place. Yuck.

I think video games have a significant amout of fault in this. Games like GTA glorify breaking the law and also desensitize people to guns and gore. Parents make the stupidarsed mistake of feeding this shtah to their ten-year-olds, and then wonder why their kids do the things they do. People shouldn't be exposed to this stuff until they're good and ready to handle it and correctly determine what is right and wrong. Actually, you know what? I take that back. People shouldn't be exposed to it at all. It does nothing but poison society.

OMGIGGLE! It SAID 17 yr olds can ply but only 18 year olds should be allowed to PLAYZORZ!!!!1111oneonePTAMOMSCREAMING

~Rico

I don't get why people find such joy in opening fire on police and innocent bystanders in the first place. Yuck.
That isn't, technically, the object of the game and quite frankly I don't really bother with it anyways. I prefer to do the missions, which are usually fun, insane, hilarious, or a combination of the three, and never require the player to shoot innocent bystanders. Personally I can't get over how often the media casually drops steaming dog turds like "players score points by stealing cars and running over pedestrians".

Games like GTA glorify breaking the law and also desensitize people to guns and gore.
Every year, dozens of movies are released that glorify violence, drug use, rape, and organized crime. Nobody cares about them.

People shouldn't be exposed to it at all. It does nothing but poison society.
Poison society? Give me a break. I suppose, apart from the litany of incessant violence that gets shoved in our faces on broadcast news every day, our obsession with celebrities, and image and other people's personal tragedy, our need to chase after cars and fame and money we'll never have, the sensationalism and lack of anything even remotely ressembling insight that plagues the news media, and the political extremism that has the US more divided than ever, yeah, I guess Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, a videogame that, among other things, depicts scenes in which two low-detail representations of consenting adults engage in sexual relations (hetero, I might add!) is a plague on our society and is the reason for everything from the falling dollar to the rise in crime. Nevermind the fact that most violent, sexual and drug-related crimes are committed by people who can't afford PS2s.

You're welcome to not like it. You have no right, however, to tell people what they can and can't watch, hear or play.

Most retailers don't sell AO-rated games. An AO rating would severely undermine the game's profitability.
And also, more or less, they can only advertise on late-night cable channels. Such as how CBFD was advertised. (Heh! You thought the squirel was doin' her!)

That whole paragraph shoe said that's too big to copy
Alright, bud, I beat the game twice. And have somewhere around 110 total hours of play time on it.
Pop quiz, bud: How many shootings have I been in? How many people have I killed? Zero! I'm such a good samaratan. I have no intentions of doing such, either.
Guess I must be magically protected against this mind-poisening, huh?

So, y'all are saying that it's okay for people to indulge in this kind of entertainment?

And I'm not trying to say what people can and can't do. It's none of my business what they do; I just think it's terrible that this kind of thing is so popular.

I know there are plenty of people who have the game that have never gotten into any scrapes with the law. And I'm gonna be honest here-- I have no witty come-back. You've got me.

I swear, it's bizzare. I played GTA3 and Vice City and I have no interest or delight in becoming some gun toting criminal. They're just games to me. It's rated for 17+ for a reason though. However, they must have forgotten that....

~T2K

Call me old-fashioned, but I'm terrified to play too many games like GTA because one eventually outputs what is first input. I'm afraid my character would change.

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So, y'all are saying that it's okay for people to indulge in this kind of entertainment?

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Yes. Why would you think otherwise? As long as whoever's playing the game is mature enough to handle it, I see no reason why they shouldn't.

I suppose you're right... I guess I just need to let some things be. That way none of it is my fault if the earth suddenly explodes into hundreds of trillions of pieces that all fly into the sun to be incinerated. ^_^

I just don't find many games fun that involve realistic killing. Doesn't float mah boat. If people are mature enough to handle it, then so be it. But I'll be damned if small children are playing this stuff.

The first thing I ever got carded for was the Ren and Stimpy DVD box set, and boy, was I ever proud to flash my ID for it. Now, if the register goes off in alarm for Ren and Stimpy, why doesn't it do this for video games? It could just be our store... Has anyone else been carded for a video game?

I get carded at EB every time. London Drugs doesn't seem to care though. In fact, when I was 13 I bought Unreal Tournament and the guy said "An excellent choice, sir."

Normally in the UK video games have a European pegi rating which is similar to the ESRB rating scheme. However all of the GTA titles released to date do not fall under this scheme but instead fall under the BBFC (British Board of Film Classification) and are rated at 18. With this it can be a criminal offence if selling/buying this digital material to those under that age group. The original Dooms are at 15 still and Doom 3 is at 18.

Ah. They actually enforce it? How I wish they enforced it more here... I envy thee.

Just to be clear, this is what the kerfuffle is all about:

Pornographic? Like hell it is! They're not even nude! Jesus Christ, Hillary, have you nothing better to do with your time and influence?

O_____________o How do you know my name? I'm certain it's not in my profile.

By the way, I wasn't ever talking about anything that had to do with porn. Please dun attack me!

And that pic is more humorous than anything. XD I just about cracked up laughing when I saw it.

Unless you're Senator Hillary Clinton, I don't think he was talking to you.

HOT CLOTHED PIXELATED ACTION

...yeah, it's kinda stupid.

Unless you're Senator Hillary Clinton, I don't think he was talking to you.

Wow... What an amazing coincidence. "Hillary" happens to be my name. XD Sorry for freaking out.

Don't worry, it was a very nice freakout. 😀 Do you mind if I call you Hillary the Talking Shampoo Container?

Um...not sure if I understand, but okay. =P It makes me feel loved.

Spread the lourve! [spreads]

I don't think violence or sex in a game is as bad as what context it's in. There's a lot of violence in "America's Army," too, and yet no one complains. It depends on the context.

The whole stealing cars and shooting cops and hookers.. hm.

I'll defend people (over 18's) right to play GTA, but I think it's pretty pathetic that a game company would come out with a game like this in the first place. (violence-wise, I mean. Sex.. feh! It's consentual!)

I've seen the vid, and I don't think it's as tame as Cycle puts it. The lady is nude in the version I saw. Also, they make, er, sounds ...that could be distressing to parents. I personally don't care, but I do see how people could rightfully be offended.

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but I think it's pretty pathetic that a game company would come out with a game like this in the first place. (violence-wise, I mean. Sex.. feh! It's consentual!)

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It's just like why McD's is still using the Supersize stuff, the consumers want it. Supply and demand...even if the supply has horrible quality...

I personally don't go for these games but MAN, I'm hating to hear the reception on Focus on the Family in the coming days...

Yeah, games are disgusting. We should just watch TV instead.

*flicks on lifetime*

*See's woman being held down in bed and making er, sounds.*

*flicks off and goes back to saving innocent cilivans from gun-toting thugs in his videogame.*

But seriously, from a guy that started with Atari playing Combat and Star Raider, up through Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake, UT, and on up. I'm 24, have a IT director job at my tribe, I'm unmarried and spend time with my dadless little cousin, and I fill my diabetic aunts needles weekly. No, I don't think video games/rock music/bugs bunny/power rangers/D&D/or anything else can be used as a scapegoat for mentally unstable kids/people in general.

One day the world, and yes EVEN Hillary Clinton will have to face the fact that people are responsible for their actions.

~Rico

Of all channels Rico, you have to pick Lifetime...

Could be worse, could have hit the channel with MXC (Funniest show ever)

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One day the world, and yes EVEN Hillary Clinton will have to face the fact that people are responsible for their actions.

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Other than this case (which I think maybe has a bit more to it then what's being said in this thread) I don't really see alot of examples of where she hasn't implied that people are responsible for what they do.

As for the games themselves, I think they refect on a culture that is very anti-woman and very pro-violence. Only because it's just a video game otherwise educated individuals feel that it doesn't have any consequence on society.

Buy whatever you want, play whatever you want. Ignore years of evidence that media influences children.

I must be the most strong willed person around then. Boy is THAT a sad thought. o.o

~Rico

This is no way explicit compared to Playboy the Mansion... BAN FRIGGIN' PLAYBOY THE MANSION, THEN!!!!!

*Slams fist on desk*

I demand to hear Jack Chick's opinion!

^_^

Anywho, they removed it from the game to prevent this happening, GTA has always painted itself as a target for free publicity, and I for one think they're laughing their way to the bank.

The ultimate irony in these matters is that contraversy often increases sales. I remember that the relatively unknown "Manhunter" for the PS2 was suddenly selling like hotcakes after HMV "banned" it for inspiring a UK teen to murder someone with a hammer (of course, you know, ignoring the kid's drug problems).

Perhaps those kicking up the fuss should focus more on the fact that a game intended for over 18's is making it's way into children's hands, anyway, or that people are spreading this code which threats the children who shouldn't be allowed to play the game anyway.

The problem here is the people who allow the game to get into kids hands, not the games creators (who again, deleted the mini-game, they just couldn't remove it from the disc, in the same way that Sonic 2 has the hidden zones, Sonic 3 has S&K music and such, practically every game includes stuff which was removed or never used).

This is just sheer hilarity.

I still laugh at middle America's rabid reaction to sex when no eyelids're batted at one's constitutional right to mindless violence. Just as much as I'm fascinated by the fact that I could cuss up a storm in front of some people, but if I say "d*mn" (I hate speaking in asterisks) or take God's name in vain, only then am I seen as swearing.

The key word in that whole article is "parents", though.

Although I still have a vivid memory of standing in Asda a few years ago (buying a DVD), behind a woman and a kid who couldn't have been more than somewhere between 11 and 13.

The kid had just selected a copy of The Getaway - which has big, red BBFC 18+ only stickers all over the box - and is paying for it himself at the counter as the proud parent looks on.

Not only does Mummy not bat an eyelid, but the girl behind the counter reacts with "Oh, that's a really good one!" and says that she hopes that he's got a widescreen TV and/or surround sound to get the best effect out of it.

There're danged great signs both above and actually on the counter saying in big, bold letters that it's illegal to sell a product to someone below the age rating.

I know deep down that I should've had a word with the silly little girlie's manager on my way out. But I just had this terrible feeling that if that's the attitude of the staff and the parents, talking to the manger would probably be a waste of my time.

That, though, is the problem. I also can't understand the "entertainment" value in this sort of extreme sex and violence. I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this, but so-called "mature" content always seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator, bestial or mindless side of human nature for the sake of a bit of cheap sensationalism.

I'll bet that sales of GTA: SA go through the roof after this has come out, thanks to all of the horny little 12 year olds who've probably never gotten within ten feet of a girl before and think it's going to be "kewl".

I also believe that video games're a different ball game to movies, on the grounds that a movie is a passive thing. In a game, the player has control over what happens and actually causes the controversial stuff.

But for all I'm mystified by the appeal, I've stated every time that this subject comes up that I believe that to actually take acts like this into the real world, there has to be a susceptible mind to begin with.

Children shouldn't be exposed to this sort of desensitising material before they're emotiionally developed enough to handle it - that's what ratings systems are for, rather than purely a tool for the politically correct watchdogs.

And yes, there're always going to be those damaged people out there who will take things too far.

But it's a bit much for the games companies to wash their hands of the responsibility for their own creations when they're instrumental in the content - and the hype.

If you're going to make a game glorifying blood, guts and illegal acts, then you take the responsibility later, because you know what that sort of thing can do in the wrong hands as much as anyone else.

I think Sam sums it up quite well in many places.

I just think it's funny that before Grand Theft Auto it was Doom that is what was spurring up the controversy. Which....looking at it, is kinda bizzare. Wielding a shotgun against demons and zombies had so many parents and politics freaked out. I played Doom at the young age of 8. Some of the bizzare images from the 2nd half of Shores of Hell and Inferno was enough to scare me pretty bad. Whats funny is I started playing it last summer again and some of the old music was making me feel sad and gloomy inside....Odd.

~T2K

See, this is my mission - to spread hot, textual and badly pixelated corruption throuout the MoFo.

People doubtless complain aboutthis sort of thing cus they're not getting enough of the genuine article.

It says 18 on the case in the UK. 17+ in the US. Not much difference.

So, the parents have no problem with their kids walking up to a civillian with a knife and doing the old stab stab, but when it comes to something you have to hack into - and you need the PC version anyway - they go crazy.

I as an individual have always thought of consensual sex as a beautiful thing, not something that should be treated as vile and disgusting.

You are going to have sex sooner or later, unless you do a bit of home surgery, and it's something all creatures were designed to do. Murder and theft though, is rather different. You walk down the street in GTA, and nobody bugs you. It's part of the game to start beating seven shades of crap out of people, and that's the main problem I have with it.

I'm pretty desensitised to violence, but I still don't think GTA is a healthy game to enjoy playing.

I don't get the deal with this.
It's just a game, get over it.
I'm tired of politics trying to protect everyone from sex and violence.
Seriously, if you don't want your kid to play it, don't buy it.
I've never played a GTA game, but I really don't care if a game is really gory or not. It doesn't make a game more enjoyable or more crappy to me.
I've played really gory games and it doesn't affect me. Heck, I've never even been in a fight in my whole life.
Personally, I think Congress has more important things to do than worry about what game companies come out with.

Where do I even start. A lot has been said already.

As someone who works at one of the many GameStops, and someone who has literally gone his hole life with a controller in his hands, through many, many genres, kid friendly and adult-violent-happy, this really saddens me.

There's nothing more that I hate than censorship.

One, as a salesman, I have a duty to tell everyone who comes up to buy an M rated game about the mindless violence and naughty words found in said game. I have a duty to card everyone I feel is underaged; hell I've carded 22 year olds for GTA: SA, God of War, Halo 2, Getaway, etc. I don't sell to minors, I tell them to get their parents. When the parents come in, I tell them everything that the game has. Half the time they'll do the parent thing and DECIDE for their kid in this situation, other times, "it's just a game", which it's true, it is, and then they buy it for their teenage kid.

In the same situation of "it's just a game", it's these same numbnutted parents buying this crap for their TEN YEAR OLD KIDS that bugs the hell out of me. I re-explain it to them, saying "Are you sure? Because in this game you can kill anyone you see, cops, civillians, pick up hookers and have sex with them in the car, then beat them to death afterwards and get your money back. It's a fun game ma'am/sir, but I honestly don't think it's something you may want your kids playing, unless you want to have a nice talk with them about right and wrong, fact and fiction, real and fantasy."

At this point they think for a second, and go "N'ah, they know better than that," and still end up buying it. Hookay, I've done my job. The parent has decided, and by the end of the week, he'll be grounding the kid and causing an uproar at some stupid online parenting message board regarding the game and how they can't believe they let this crap be sold to kids, etc. Lovely.

I've had grandma's come up and admittedly say they don't know anything about anything videogames, picking up GTA's for their under 10-year olds, for Christmas and birthdays. And even after going through the babble cycle above, THEY STILL BUY IT!!!

@#$!#@#$!$@#$!#$@#%@#%!@#$!!!

It's total proof that parents are NOT doing their job and finding a scapegoat to go apesh@#$! No mommy and daddy, it's not your fault you don't pay attention. It's the people who made, they have to telepathically tell each and every single parent in the nation when their games go to print that it's going to be bad and that you shouldn't even touch it, nevermind the blatant rating system that's on both sides of the box, let alone on the back it gives you DISTINCT details of what type of bad stuff it contains.

Anyway, back to other points on the topic. The game, is by far, one of the best games out there. It captures the 90's, and hell, even current "gangsta" life, the "ghetto", current day slang, the incorrent use of certain words. In other words, it captures reality pretty much down pact when it comes to the storyline. The missions are excellent, the driving portions are enormous, given the fact that it's three freakin' cities and the country side. If you follow traffic laws in the game, it WILL take you ten to fifteen minutes to get to other part of the state, and that's with taking the highway.

The senseless violence in the game? It's fun, nothing short of fake. Heads explode into nothing when using a sniper rifle, people burst into flames when using the flame thrower, flail around for a bit, then fall. People DON'T burst into anything when hit with a rocket launcher. They just fall and die. Pickin' up hookers for health, 'eh, it's a cheap laugh, but seeing as there's now a bajillion ways to keep health up, there's really no point to it than that.

The game is all around fun, and DEFINATELY not for anyone. People saying it's violent and demoralizing; yeah, it's violent, and it's only demoralizing if you let it be. Does the game use women sexually? Yeah, for cheap laughs, seeing as the game does it in a very comical fashion. Is the game anti-woman to the point where it demoralizes them completely? Nope, seeing as there are three very strong lead roles in the game that are women, and are tough as hell, kind hearted, and one of them is the main character's sister, trying to get everyone back on the same page, and leading everyone away from the "gangsta" life, all scripted very, very well.

If anything it shows how idiotic men are, or rather, were (since it took place mid 90's), with the whole "gangsta" thing and their territorial fights, which all in all, turned men into dogs.

About the "Hot Coffee" mod. Yes, the Hot Coffee mini game WAS coded into the game, but was later on left out of regular play before the game went to print, because it would've given the game the AO rating, thus lowering sales like CRAZY because there are a lot of stores that WILL NOT carry AO games. A lot of people scream "WHY NOT JUST DELETE IT!" It's not that simple. There's so much coding that goes hand in hand to what will happen when something happens and triggers to this and that, that it would've just been time consuming to just delete something off of the game. What did they do instead? What EVERY game developer out there does, lock that part of the game up indefinately so there's no actual way to access it at all.

"But you can do this on the PC AND console versions!" Yeah, on the PC, you have to MOD the coding, telling the game "HEY, the sex mini game is now part of regular gameplay!" And that's that. That means you manipulated the coding of the game to include something that was NOT meant to be playable in the final print, and thus you nullified the EULA that is two pages worth in the manual that technically you agreed to when you bought, opened, and played/installed the game.

Same thing with the PS2 and Xbox versions. What do you need? An Action Replay. What does an Action Replay do? Manipulate Hex Codes to change the game around or to open up something that the game was not supposed to originally have in the final print. Which means? You've nullified the EULA and it's all now in your hands, your own doing, your own fault.

It's just like all these "findings" at one point in the Sonic gaming community, folks. Sonic 2 "Hidden Palace Zone"! Look, look! We've unlocked it, the level exists in the game! But, it was pitched and not used in the final version. Could you even remotely get to it in the final home version everyone probably still has stashed away at home? Nope. Not if you didn't manipulate the hex code of the game in some form or manner, thus revealing every little tid bit that was not used in the game.

Every game in EXISTANCE has these. It doesn't have to be a finished piece. It could be part of a level, a character, a prop, it could be anything. They are in just about every game, and now, developers will either have to start deleting these completely, or waste time with the ESRB showing them every single bit of code that was left out of the game, in action, to make sure it's nothing "naughty".

And now, Take-Two is suing the Action Replay people, to which I say good for them. Action Replay, Game Shark, etc, has never been licensed by any of the console companies, ie; Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo. WHY they have stayed in the market for so long is beyond me, seeing as whenever someone makes their own homebrew game without a license and puts it out for free download, these companies go crazy and give out cease orders. Yet these companies are making money off of these things without a license. Something is very wrong there.

Well, them's my rantings. In no particular order. Because god knows I've never been good in putting my arguments or anything in a good order.

Parents should pay more attention to rating systems. But then again, how many of us saw rated R movies before we were 18? How many of us played games/saw TV shows at friend's houses as kids that we KNEW our parents didn't want us to watch?

It's really not as simple as just saying "Okay well this movie/game says 18 so you can't have it till your 18". Plus our parents generation isn't exactly used to "17+" or "Mature" being as violent, graphic and sexual as the things that gain those ratings today.

I think this entire conversation is very telling that none of us are parents.

I'm replying to myself, because I've been thinking about this and it's entirely on a different subject of this whole case than my above post. It's summed up in a short MSN convo:

Texas says:
I think the problem is just dishonesty. The game makers told the rating guide that the game did not have sex. The game did have sex, and I don't buy the arguement that it was just "left on there". They want people to find stuff like that because it extends the duration of the game.
Texas says:
Whatever your views on sex, it is not right to say "this game doesn't have sex" when it does.
Bubblegum Blues says:
Yeah
Bubblegum Blues says:
I thought the game had sex in it anyway
Bubblegum Blues says:
I've never played it
Bubblegum Blues says:
But a lot of games are full of leftover unused source code
Bubblegum Blues says:
They always have been
Bubblegum Blues says:
But intentional or not they should have covered that
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Because the data is still there
Texas says:
And those leftovers happened to be a fully programmed sex game?
Bubblegum Blues says:
I don't find that too hard to believe, there's a Zelda game that still has a fully working programmer's tech demo in it
Bubblegum Blues says:
It's how they make video games, they take shortcuts
Bubblegum Blues says:
Rather than fully removing anything that isn't used in the final
Texas says:
Yeah but if they always knew it would be a 17+ game and not a 18 game then why did they even make that part in the first place?
Bubblegum Blues says:
I don't know, maybe they were told that they couldn't include it so it had to be removed and they obviously didn't do a good job of getting rid of it, which is unprofessionalism and dishonesty on their part
Bubblegum Blues says:
It's normally not a problem leaving leftover material on a game, but in a case where the leftover material exceeds the age rating the rest of the game would get then they need to be responsible and either erase it entirely or let ESRB know about it

I think looking at this from the angle of honesty/dishonesty is alot more logical than "what are your views on censorship and sex?"

You're exactly right! My kids can play whatever the hell they want! I even play alongside them. We really dig those GTA:SA two players parts. You couldn't count how many hookers I've scored in Video games since GTA3. My child is a close second! Children have to learn about it sooner or latter!
If you didn't already guees all of this is a joke(except the hookers). I don't have kids if I did they wouldn't play GTA anyways!

It's once again the fine line between porn and stupid pixels.

I really think it should be illiegal for children to even play these games, let alone buy them. Likewise they shouldn'tbe allowed to watch films, just like at thetheatres. The M, or R or whatever is there for a reason, not just to get a little extra publicity.

You can't say much for a lot of the sellers of these games either. For those who are decent, I'm sorry. But when I was 11, I went up to adesk with the 18 film Barb Wire in my hand. They turned me away. So I went and got my dad and came back and bought it anyway.

Yeah, it was a film not a game, but that's besides the point.

It's once again the fine line between porn and stupid pixels.

dead or alive xtreme beach volleyball w/ nudehax plz

I've never heard of it, but I can guess - you enter a code of some sort, and you get to play with attractive and badly animated naked young women and men. Although probably not the men, since male genitalia is a definite no-no.

So it's just the women who humiliate themselves as ever. As if the (probably) skimpy bikinis aren't enough.

Female empowerment my fat rear end.

DoA Volleyball is a game designed to show off the Xbox's capabilities and is more or less totally encoded for the graphics and jiggles of the female characters.

Models are getting better and better every year. With it the realism of depictions is going up and up. I can understand where people are coming from with the worry of them, but as a wise woman said on the radio today, people need to trust that media will not corrupt them and that there are alot more dangerous things in the world than a videogame.

It's not like the industry is or ever has turned to sex. This is an isolated incident and there are only 2 or 3 other mainstream games (both AO rated) with sex themes.

Sex has been used to SELL games, such as DoA and that BMXXX game, but it's certainly not making an outright attempt to force sex upon children. So this is all a big thing over something which should never have happened. The code was taken from the game, hackered put the patch out 8 months after the game's release.

Seriously, I think this is a case of Marilyn/Eminem syndrome. People are using GTA as a scapegoat of contraversy in the gaming world, because it has always been centre stage there and Rockstar games have ALWAYS been happy to boast themselves on the contraversy (noting that I mentioned Manhunter in a previous post which was made by the same company)

This is a case of the name GTA causing politicians to act with zeal, with the issue gaming itself. GTA is just a voice to get heard and as long as this cycle continues, Rockstar will keep pushing for more and more contraversy and politicians will keep putting it on a pedestool and attacking gaming using it.

Personally I think it's ridiculous.

You forget, Craig, that the controversy here isn't even about violence or drug use -- it's about consenting adults engaging in sexual intercourse.

I've never heard of it, but I can guess - you enter a code of some sort, and you get to play with attractive and badly animated naked young women and men.
No, you spend two hours hacking the game to bits using expensive, possibly-illegal peripherals, and then you get to play with attractive, very well-animated naked young women who don't have nipples. Unlike the Hot Coffee minigame, naked girls was not at any point supposed to be possible in DOA:XBV. Besides which, the whole point about them humiliating themselves is misleading. It's not like the DOA girls are helpless bimboes -- one of them could kill me with her bare hands in like five seconds.

Close enough. Now I'm gonna complain about that in a different topic, and get back to publicity...

Yeah, this sort of publicity is the sort that Rockstar loves. The Manhunt thing wasn't so wonderful, but they seem to be the type that believes there's no such thing as bad publicity, or something like that.

It's the "This game is for 18 year olds, so getting it, playing it and completing it will make me, a 10 year old boy who still believes in cooties, seem older!" thing.

Yeah, I realise that alot of my post was regarding the wholemind-warping, rather than the SOMEONE PLEASE PROTECT THE CHILDREN FROM SEX! attitude.

However, it's not exactly an issue, is it? The gaming industry already has guidelines for games with sexual content. The thing that is widely being forgotten here is that the mini-game WAS taken out of the game itself, thusly there is no way the ratings board could have predicted it's existance.

So I don't even understand WHAT exactly Hillary and co are arguing.