The main issue for me is that Rockstar denied it existing. BIG no-no.
...and then you get to play with attractive, very well-animated naked young women who don't have nipples.
More advanced hacks have added nipples and genitalia to the models.
Don't ask me how I know that.
No real need to, it's pretty obvious. 😉
Although this sounds like a lame cover-up, I actually found out about this from my friend. Believe that or don't.
So... the female in it is actually nude? In the screenshot she has some type of corsette on. oO But those pixels are mighty convincing...
Then again, there are most likely different versions of the mod, so I'm just an idiot.
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Parents should pay more attention to rating systems. But then again, how many of us saw rated R movies before we were 18?
I watched Constantine, it being the only R movie I really liked.* (Like most, apparently, my mom and step-dad don't really care. I've just got enough sense not to take advantage of that.) I'll add my opinion, as this is more about ESRB stuff than just about only games.
The only reason this got an R, to my knowledge, is the scary demons, and maybe a few really unneeded curse words, that could have been taken out to get better ratings. It had violence, true. It had cursing, true. I've seen worst in quite a few PG-13, to be honest. Yet, as an example: I was getting accustomed to the channels at the motel we stayed at during our vacation. (Just got back today) And it was on the very end of Billy and Mandy. (I can just kinda stare at the show and not take much in. It's watchable, I'd just rather do a lot more than watch it.)
So, Billy sticks his head through the ending black-screen, and his face gets smashed, and mutilated into some sort of... just *ugh* thing. Crooked nose, scaly, warty, pressurized ooze-eyed monster. To be honest, compared to the Gollum rip-off, bugs and flying gargoyles in Constantine, that was probably just as bad...
Another thing. I couldn't get to sleep one night, so I was skimming through the channels when I came upon some thing about Indians, or some native tribe in Africa. I didn't stick around long enough to know.
So, anyway, there was this indian dude who was supposed to jump across a bunch of cows as some sort of ritual. (I speak so casually. They were probably dancing for the gods, or something to that extent) The thing: He was completely naked.
Now, I wasn't terribly offended. I didn't throw up, say, "UGH!" and throw my controller half-way across the room. I'm more mature than that, all modesty aside. I just changed the channel. The thing is, the thing was rated only PG!? I mean, it wasn't designed as, "NATIVES OF AFRICA: GONE WILD," but still. You get the point.
My conclusion: Perhaps ESRB ante's up things. Example:
Game-maker: I want to make this game. It's violent, but in a sort of cartoony way.
ESRB DUDE: "RATE IT 'E,' BECAUSE I COMMANDETH IT!"
Game-maker: "Sweet. Okay, how 'bout this one: It's got the same amount of violence, but with swear words!"
ESRB DUDE: WHAT KIND OF 'SWEAR WORDS?'
Game-maker: "The hot fiery place, the act of sending one to the hot fiery place, and all references to the word, 'poop.'
ESRB DUDE: "RATE IT 'T,' BECAUSE I COMMANDETH IT!"
Game-Maker: "Okay, this one has all the above, plus drug and alcohol references!"
ESRB DUDE: "Rate it 'M,' and leave me alone. I need a glass of water, my throat hurts."
So, have I found the great mystery of life, or what?
~Nytloc Penumbral Lightkeeper
Love your view of the ESRB system. It's so true. *clap*
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"RATE IT 'E,' BECAUSE I COMMANDETH IT!"
Actually at this point it'd be more E10+...
I watched Constantine, it being the only R movie I really liked.
Somebody doesn't watch enough movies.
So, anyway, there was this indian dude who was supposed to jump across a bunch of cows as some sort of ritual. (I speak so casually. They were probably dancing for the gods, or something to that extent) The thing: He was completely naked. ...The thing is, the thing was rated only PG!?
No violence, no swearing, no drug use... and yet a single instance of male nudity -- in an EDUCATIONAL program, no less -- is enough to get it up to PG13? Christ, the world really has gone insane.
Parents should pay more attention to rating systems. But then again, how many of us saw rated R movies before we were 18? How many of us played games/saw TV shows at friend's houses as kids that we KNEW our parents didn't want us to watch?
It's really not as simple as just saying "Okay well this movie/game says 18 so you can't have it till your 18". Plus our parents generation isn't exactly used to "17+" or "Mature" being as violent, graphic and sexual as the things that gain those ratings today.
I think this entire conversation is very telling that none of us are parents.
No, it's more like a conversation where people here DON'T listen to their parents.
I'm sorry, until I was 17, I NEVER went to an R rated movie by myself, I never bunnyhopped to other theaters. My parents said no, I obliged. Mad I was, but I obliged. Why? Because they were my parents, and they were the wiser.
If I were at a friends house and they started doing something my parents were against, I would speak up, and go elsewhere.
When Mortal Kombat arrived at arcades, I played once next to my parents. When a fatality was performed against me, they noticed, and let me play when I was done. After the day was done, on the ride home, and further on at home, they talked to me about the difference between fantasy and reality.
When GTA came to PC, they repeated it to me. By then, I was already smart enough to know the difference. Why? Because I was raised well.
I know here some might say "But unfortunately some kids didn't have good parents like that." Well, there you go, there's the fault right there. If the parents are smart enough to teach kids right from wrong, then IT'S THE PARENTS FAULT for not being there for their kids.
That's why we're seeing all these commercials recently about "know what your kids are doing", "talk to them about school", "try to know their every move", and "talk to them about everything."
And as far as telling me I'm obviously not a parent; sure I'm not, but don't tell me it's not easy to do this or that. I grew up with a freakin' HUGE family. I have a total of about 47 cousins. Out of those 47, 39 of them are younger than I are. Out of those 39, 24 lived in the same area as I did. Guess who 24 of those cousins of mine looked up to when their parents were out and I was stuck baby sitting them and growing up with them?
I passed on to them the values my parents passed on to me. I'm sorry, it is NOT HARD to be a good influence on kids. It is NOT HARD to earn their trust and vice versa. Yes, there will be hard times, but if you are with them 100%, you will find that those hard times won't be the overblown horror stories of bad children and teenagers you read about and see about on tv about sex, drugs, alcohol, or otherwise. It'll probably about, "Oh, I lied. I'm doing bad in school and I need help. I don't know where to turn," or some other stories about their sexual urges coming up or whatever the hell.
You DON'T have to be a parent to start learning the values of how to parent for your own future. If the parents were never there to begin with, then obviously don't know how to parent, and they will turn to scapegoats.
If you can't teach your kids right from wrong, and not able to give them good values, you're not fit to be a parent.
My parents were subscribers to the theory of "discuss real and not real when they're young, and let them watch the movies when we judge them to be ready." They judged me to be ready when I was about 13. My brother, on the other hand, has not been so lucky. The specified ages they use in ratings are just generalizations.
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No violence, no swearing, no drug use... and yet a single instance of male nudity -- in an EDUCATIONAL program, no less -- is enough to get it up to PG13? Christ, the world really has gone insane.
That was: Letter: P, Letter: G, Exclamation Point, Question Mark. PG, not PG-13. (I overemphasize. I know.)
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I watched Constantine, it being the only R movie I really liked.
Somebody doesn't watch enough movies
I failed to emphasize upon the *. Wasn't one of the Matrix'ses..s... *drools for a moment with rolled-back eyes* Oh! *shakes head* Rated R? Maybe even all of them? Other than that, I think that'd be all.
In all fairness, I was built in most ways to have my limits set at just before the R level. I prefer violence with little or no blood. I don't like graphic mutilation. (See Star Wars and their cauterizing lightsabers) I don't see the fun in watching a dude spout blood from a now-non-existant limb. Swear words, in all honesty, have been far used up comedically. There are a few people at my school that know no other adverbs than the 'F' word.
Schoolboy 1: "So, I was just runnin', like, **** fast, and there was this * car over on the street with the *-colored street sign, and then we ran up on the old dude's street, and started throwin' the cushiony-sof-er, uh, ******* toilet paper into the trees."
Don't get me wrong. I don't cover my mouth, and go, "Ummmmm!" I just think they can be used in three ways: Emphasize upon a sentence, such as a big speech. (Tidus from FFX did this well) Used comedically, but only if used rarely throughout the movie/game/whatever. (Ron did it once in the second Harry Potter movie, after drinking the Polyjuice Potion) Or just simply... blegh. (Such as many of the black stereotypes in many movies.) Wait... Was that just stereotyping a stereotype? I HAVE SINNED!
Also, I don't get a lot of the adult comedy.
Dude: "So, I went with her to the McDonalds..."
Adult Comedian: "Oh, yeah. He took her to, 'McDONALDS.' *finger parentheses thingy* "So when's the baby comin'?"
-_-
~Nytloc Penumbral Lightkeeper
That was: Letter: P, Letter: G, Exclamation Point, Question Mark. PG, not PG-13.
You implied that PG was not enough. The next rating up is PG-13. Therefore you implied that it merited at least a PG-13.
I failed to emphasize upon the *. Wasn't one of the Matrix'ses..s... *drools for a moment with rolled-back eyes* Oh! *shakes head* Rated R? Maybe even all of them? Other than that, I think that'd be all.
Somebody needs to watch more movies.
In all fairness, I was built in most ways to have my limits set at just before the R level. I prefer violence with little or no blood. I don't like graphic mutilation.
Here are some great movies which are rated R and contain little or no blood and no "graphic mutilation":
- Donnie Darko
- Clerks (no violence)
- Being John Malkovich (no violence)
- Dark City
- Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (no violence)
- Man on the Moon
- Monty Python and the Meaning of Life
- Monty Python's The Life of Brian
- Office Space (no violence)
- One Hour Photo (no violence)
- Snatch
- Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
- The Shawshank Redemption
- One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
- The Usual Suspects
- Memento
- A Clockwork Orange
- Crash
- Blade Runner
- The Sixth Sense (no violence)
- The Green Mile
- I Heart Huckabees (no violence)
- The Big Lebowski (no violence)
- This is Spinal Tap (no violence)
Why are they rated R? Don't ask me, ask the morons that invented the crappy American rating system.
Here are some great movies which are rated R and contain little or no blood and no "graphic mutilation":
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
I think the Black Knight might have to argue with you there. <.<
....anyway, I did play and view 15 or 18 rated games and movies before I was those ages, but very rarely, the only ones I can think of are GTA3, Metal Gear Solid and the Mortal Kombat series, but I had to turn the blood of in MK4 due to my mom's reaction. I watched very few movies too, I can only think of Terminator 2, the MK movies and the Matrix.
Still, my parents tought me about right and wrong, how to be a good person and to be strong willed also, if there was something my friends were doing that I wouldn't want to, like smoking or drinking, then no amount of peer preasure could make me. So basically I agree with Jin, while my record of following the rules isn't spotless, I would never let my younger Brothers try a GTA or MK title, and if parents let their children play this stuff then they had better make sure they take the responsibility.
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So I don't even understand WHAT exactly Hillary and co are arguing.
They're mainly complaining about the "deception" along with the usual thing about "adult stuff" being too easily accessible for children.
I for one think this videogame is horrible.
Children will be tearing off their facial features and standing behind one another in CLOTHING. >=(
BTW, happy 6666th, Cyc. You evil person, you. I mean, 666 is bad enough, but 6666...
Anyway, yeah, this is pretty silly, but, eh, that's America the Overprotective for you.
If the US is such a child protective country, why are they letting the big buisnesses poison the planet?
They're doing this to show that they're in charge of the media.
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- Monty Python and the Holy Grail
That's PG, actually. So's Spaceballs, despite using the F-word.
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- Oldboy
No graphic violence? Not what I've heard.
That's PG, actually. So's Spaceballs, despite using the F-word.
Something that the movie "Be Cool" taught me when I saw it...
Trevolta: Did you know a movie can get away with a PG-13 rating if they only use the F-word once? You know what I gotta say to that? Pffft! F@#$! that!
^________^ I laughed so hard. Throughout the whole, it was the only "major" swearword. Lo and behold, it got a PG-13 rating. =3
The Wedding Singer with Adam Sandler is also an example of that. :O
Star Wars Various. There's billions of deaths throughout, but because none of them are graphic or bloody - Lightsabres sear wounds closed, conveniently - and there's no sex and less swearing, they manage a PG rating.
That's PG, actually. So's Spaceballs, despite using the F-word.
Fixed. I never mentioned Spaceballs.
No graphic violence? Not what I've heard.
Oh yeah, now I remember... the guy cutting off his own tongue, removing teeth with the butt end of a hammer... maybe this kind of violence does desensitize us.
Well what would you know, Thompson, not content with his victory over San Andreas, has immediately moved onto The Sims 2, claiming the content worse than Hot Coffee.
But of course, this one sounds like a mere modification, and not part of the actual code, so he might just be setting himself up the bomb this time around.
Yeah, that's a full-on nude hack. There's no console command to disable the blur. Plus he's full of it because the game's nude character models don't have genitals. You'd have to design a nude skin by hand.
You'd have to design a nude skin by hand.
Sadly, people have done that. 🙁
Egads, this is just ridiculous. I could understand the politicians getting on GTA since they've been doing that since forever. Now the Sims 2? C'mon!
It seems like they're getting on these games because you can patch them to make them nude, since you can do that to all PC games (as mentioned before). So, with that logic, an EC rated PC Game (I'll use Math Rabbit as an example) should be rated AO, since the patch can turn the rabbit, all the numbers , and symbols nude and somehow have genitallia. Not only that, but the rabbit is considered to be doing something naughty when he's bringing attention to the '8.'
These politicians really need to get a life, and these parents need to quit being so naive. >.>
It seems like they're getting on these games because you can patch them to make them nude, since you can do that to all PC games (as mentioned before). So, with that logic, an EC rated PC Game (I'll use Math Rabbit as an example) should be rated AO, since the patch can turn the rabbit, all the numbers , and symbols nude and somehow have genitallia. Not only that, but the rabbit is considered to be doing something naughty when he's bringing attention to the '8.'
Thank you for ruining my computing childhood memories.
The Sims 2? Double-you tee eff, mates? It's a life simulator. Sex is a part of life. Thus, the Sims 2 includes sex, and not even graphic sex at that. It's all under the bedcovers or underwater(!), and the sims are blurred out anyway.
I remember when I was little, a friend and I broke into giggles at removing Ken's shorts, even though there was absolutely nothing there.
I don't know why I said that.
I remember when I was little, a friend and I broke into giggles at removing Ken's shorts, even though there was absolutely nothing there.
I don't know why I said that.
My friends and I had similar experiences with our sister's Barbie dolls.
I don't know why I said that, either. 😀
My friends and I had similar experiences with our sister's Barbie dolls.
I don't know why I said that, either. 😀
We were all hilariously stupid when we were little, weren't we? 
"To me, small children are a barbecue waiting to happen." -Shoe
Okay, if you're going to call for a ban on the Sims, you might as well put a ban on MANY dolls/action figures, or make it in a way where their clothes can't be removed. This is insane!
I haven't played a Sims game in far too long, I felt it got rediculous after they decided to make another expansion after Hot Date, so I stopped at that particular title. I've been itching to play too, however, I don't have the original CD anymore because my brother let a friend borrow it. #2 Always looked like a blast though...but I'd love to get it before there is a mindlessly cut version.
~T2K
Somebody should point out to Jack Thompson that extending EA's Barbie metaphor, the process of getting nude sims like he described is simillar to taking a marker and drawing nipples, genitalia and pubic hair on a Barbie doll.
Somebody should point out to Jack Thompson that extending EA's Barbie metaphor, the process of getting nude sims like he described is simillar to taking a marker and drawing nipples, genitalia and pubic hair on a Barbie doll.
Never, ever thought of doing that. And I'm kind of scarred at the thought.
Jack Thompson...pardon my language, sounds like an inhuman assbite. I have gone to many forums and read from many people about the letters they sent to Thompson, some realy calm and reasonable, and he sent some realy immature, jerkish things in return. So quite honestly, I can't believe or agree with a single thing he has to say. Even 8 year olds are more mature than himself. The only difference is he has a wider vocabulary.
~T2K
Jack Thompson is living proof that lawyers are gradually eating away at society.
Apparently, here's his overall response to this all:
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If you videogaming thugs don't like what I do, then get off your rear ends and talk to the media, talk to your representatives, and write articles for your Internet game news sites.
Sure, I would, but given that nobody seems to be doing anything about his latest attack, I see no real reason.
Oh, and he openly admits that The Sims 2 problem IS a mod or something. Thing is he's now saying that the game companies should prevent sex mods and the like from even being made. Which, if you ask me, is pretty stupid, seeing as the Internet probably has more freedom of speech than any other Earthly place, and it's really not Thompson's business what you can download from there, only what remains in the game's actual code. In GTA's case, there WAS something in there that was activated by changing a few flags. In Sims 2's case, though, it's just a flippin' download. Nothing you do in it will create anything like what he's saying, IF you stick to what came out of the box (and I see little reason why you shouldn't).
Well we can't let him know that it's stupid, we must let him think what he is doing is smart, or dangerous. Last thing I want is someone censoring the internet over this. However, I did read at gamespot or somewhere, that he said even the "Doll-like" nudity was still bad to have.
I believe this is what I'm referring to, but it doesn't sound like the exact one....
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.......Thompson doesn't buy it. "The sex and the nudity are in the game. That's the point. The blur is an admission that even the 'Ken and Barbie' features should not be displayed. The blur can be disarmed. This is no different than what is in San Andreas, although worse."
In terms of GTA, I still am unsure if I can agree with the AO rating, even when I still look back at it. I mean, does anyone remember BMX XXX? I guess if the game is unpopular and doesn't sell well nobody will give a McDamn. That takes quite a lot for me to say, since I have a strong distaste for San Andreas. However I did enjoy 3 and Vice City. (Needs to get the PC versions soon.)
Now, I think I'm going to finish my Doom 3 demo. Chaos, mutilations, death, blood, and destruction. But it's better for me than the Sims! Because I don't see any non-nippled exposed breasts!
~T2K
I mean, does anyone remember BMX XXX?
That game was so stupid and funny because it tried to be funny so hard and failed. It mostly just tried to be inappropriate and shock critics and bombed in doing so. With how unsuccessful it was, I'd guess that Thompson has never even heard of it.
LOL @ Australia's OFLC.
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Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is no longer available to buy or rent in Australia after the country's Office of Film and Literature Classification got wind of the increasingly notorious hidden sex-mini-game known as "Hot Coffee".
The game had previously been rated MA15+, which allowed retailers to sell it to people over that age, but Hot Coffee has apparently seen to that. The Aussie office has now revoked the certificate, effectively banning the game from sale, as the OFLC doesn't do a UK-style "18" rating.
Jack Thompson is living proof that lawyers are gradually eating away at society.
You obviously don't understand that if lawyers weren't around, there would be next to no safety labels, there would be sharp edges on playgrounds, hairdryers wouldn't have shut-off switches, there would be asbestos in all the pipes, factory machines would be killing employees, pez dispensers would shoot like guns, etc, etc. I don't see how lawyers are "eating away at society".
Now, when they deliberately attack stupid stuff like Jack Thompson, that's a totally different situation.
You obviously don't understand that if lawyers weren't around, there would be next to no safety labels, there would be sharp edges on playgrounds, hairdryers wouldn't have shut-off switches, there would be asbestos in all the pipes, factory machines would be killing employees, pez dispensers would shoot like guns, etc, etc. I don't see how lawyers are "eating away at society".
I was CONVINCED that was sarcasm until I read the last sentance.
Wait, so are you saying that lawyers shouldn't be making everything safer? What do you mean?
Lawyers are a wonderful thing, Shoe, but their benevolent power is more often bastardised in the hands of the naughty than used in it's true, pure form of delicious goodness.
I mean your list had a very sarcastic tone. You don't start a Pro arguement with the stupidest things in the world, like safety labels.
The only reason Starbucks has to put "Caution: HOT!" on their cups is because people abuse the system and sue for their own stupidity.
I don't think lawyers were sent to this Earth to make sure we could work out that coffee is hot and may likely scald if brought into contact with the skin.
I don't have an opinion on the whole lawyer thing, but your reply was laughably silly because of the way you stated it.
Friviolous lawsuits are the main reason why I hate lawyers, that and most of them are dishonest...okay not all but a nice share of them are...
Lawyers don't come up with the lawsuits and are no more dishonest themselves than you me or the Dairy Queen.
I don't know about you, but the Dairy Queen where I live is
pretty darned dishonest. I worked there for a while, and some of the ethings I saw disgusted me to the point where I can't even look at a Blizzard from there any more.
And seriously, safety labvels are the stupidest things in existance. I say we get rid of the safety-enforced labels,stop protecting the shallow end of the gene pool, and everything else Shoe mentioned, and go back to good ol' Darwinian survival of the fittest.
Oh my God, they're afraid it's going to encourage PEDOPHILES! 🙄
Gee whiz, doesn't ANYONE on this green earth realize that PEDOPHILES ARE HUMAN BEINGS and have desires just like everyone else? And as long as they're content to look at little pixelated pictures of naked kids, does anyone really need to interfere? The more time they spend doing that, the less time they spend molesting real kids!
And who's to say that all pedophiles molest kids? Not all gay men butt-rape other men in prison! 🙄
If you REALLY want to deal with the pedophiles, get them some counseling... or heck, even euthanasia would do the trick! 😛
GRRR...
