THE STORY...
Astronomers find space for three new planets
Astronomers are proposing a galactic shift of our solar system that could raise the number of planets from nine to 12 and open the way to naming dozens more.
After two years of debate, a draft resolution will be formally presented to the International Astronomical Union at a convention in Prague on Wednesday with the aim of settling once and for all what defines a planet.
For now, it appears there will be cosmic consensus and Pluto's solar system status is safe.
But the proposal could change.
Nearly 2,500 astronomers from 75 nations meeting in the Czech Republic capital to hammer out a universal definition of a planet will hold two brainstorming sessions before they vote on the resolution next week.
Still, it's likely the resolution will pass and Pluto won't be booted out from its planetary posse.
The draft is coming from the IAU's executive committee, which only submits recommendations likely to get two-thirds approval from the group.
IAU President Ronald D. Ekers said the draft definition was an attempt to end decades of debate.
"We don't want an American version, a European version and a Japanese version" of what constitutes a planet, he said.
Besides reaffirming the solar system status of Pluto, the IAU draft resolution recognizes 2003 UB313, the farthest-known object in the solar system; Pluto's largest moon, Charon; and the asteroid Ceres, which was a planet in the 1800s before it got demoted.
The IAU panel also proposed a new category of planets called "plutons," referring to Pluto-like objects found in the Kuiper Belt, a disc-shaped zone where thousands of comets and planetary objects float beyond Neptune.
Pluto and two of the newcomers, Charon and 2003 UB313, would be defined as plutons.
If the resolution is approved, the 12 planets in our solar system listed in order of their proximity to the sun would be Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Ceres, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Charon, and the temporarily named 2003 UB313.
Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology, who discovered the celestial object UB 313, nicknamed it Xena after the saucy warrior princess in a television series.
But the panel said it would likely be renamed under another moniker. The name Persephone is said to be a leading contender.
Even if the family of planets grows when astronomers vote on Aug. 24, the universe is likely to continue expanding.
"The snag is, of course, that the moment we say there are going to be three, four, five more planets in the solar system -- how are we going to deal with the objects that might be that size, even further out?" York University astronomer Paul Delaney wondered.
"The Kuiper Belt -- which is this trans-Neptunian area in our solar system -- is populated probably by tens of thousands of objects," he said, appearing on CTV's Canada AM.
The IAU has a "watchlist" of at least a dozen other contenders that could receive planetary promotions once more is known about their sizes and orbits.
"The solar system is a middle-aged star, and like all middle-aged things, its waistline is expanding," Jack Horkheimer, director of the Miami Space Transit Planetarium in the United States and host of Public Broadcasting's Stargazer television show, told The Associated Press.
Pluto's critics, who argue the planet is too tiny, might still enter the ring for a fight.
Experts have been split over whether Pluto should remain a planet, as it is the smallest of the current nine planets and farthest from the sun.
The debate about Pluto's status as a planet has been ongoing for decades after the planet was found to be only one four-hundredths of the mass of Earth.
When it was confirmed in the 1990s that the Kuiper Belt was sprinkled with numerous bodies similar to Pluto, some scientists voiced their doubts about its status.
Under the IAU proposal, however, Pluto meets its proposed new definition of a planet -- it is a round object larger than 800 kilometres in diameter that orbits the sun and has a gravitational pull strong enough to pull itself into a spherical shape.
"People were probably wondering: If they take away Pluto, is Rhode Island next?" Binzel quipped. "There are as many opinions about Pluto as there are astronomers. But Pluto has gravity on its side. By the physics of our proposed definition, Pluto makes it by a long shot."
Intresting story? yes.
Developing story? not so much, pretty much said and done.
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I'll belive it whean I see pictures. But the story is interesting.
When you say 'galactic shift,' do you mean an actual, physical change in the makeup and functioning of our galaxy or in the accepted definition of what is or is not a planet? Judging by the rest of the post, I tend to assume it's the latter, but if it isn't I'm officially confused.
{EDIT: Having reread the post, I'm now certain it's the latter. Did you write this or get this from a source, because 'galactic shift' just sounds like a physical change to me. But I'm an English buff, so forgive me that...
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Anyway, it's an interesting debate despite simply being one of terminology. Is Pluto a planet or not? Who cares. It's a big chunk of matter that orbits the sun. There are lots of those. Classifying them is just a preoccupation of us silly humans.
-Jake
There are some images here: www.iau2006.org/mirror/ww...lease.html
I hope the draft definition for planets gets an upper limit defined before August 24.
This infromation that I posted above is from a canadian news site, it's offical I did not write it Ultra.
But they are building a launch pad and such where I live within a few years it's big news around here that I just heard about yesterday.
The Launch pad that is being built will have something to do with the lauching to view these new planet's. Even though right now this is not so big news it will be soon enough.
I heard on the news that possiable launches would take place in the next few years.
They sure are small. But SOMETHING that small should not be called planets IMO.
It's been called a planet for hundreds of years, and it seems it's gonna stay that way. I just hope we have the Tech to get to it withing the next Hundred years.
Siv. Pluto wasn't even discovered until 1930 (the day before my -58th birthday, no less), 76 years ago, so praytell how has it been called a planet for hundreds of years? :O
As for the story: yay. I'm a big proponent of convention and standardisation, so it's good to hear they're finally getting round to properly defining a term that's been in use for thousands of years now. I just hope the new regulations don't introduce too many planets - with the three newbies and the dozen in the watchlist, the number of planets could potentially almost triple in size very soon.
So much for my very easy method. :O
I understand that people are so anxious to name planets, but we still havnt even been able to get to another one with more than a couple people. I know we have the technology... but i guess nobody wants to take the risk. Hey, you can name planets, but they wont let you go see them!
Nuchtos, you're talking to Silver the Hedgehog, dude. Where he comes from, Pluto HAS been a planet for hundreds of years.
Cut him some slack. He's from the future.
-Jake
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I've already named them, and gave them fan sailors. XD
I think "Xena" should be called Vulcan, and its moon Aetna, as it goes with the scheme of Roman gods (and not because of Star Trek). Of course, that is me.
*is all happy about this news*
As always, I love to hear news of the planets!
Maybe next time we can find one that is inhabitable!...which is unlikely. o_0
~T2K
This is nice and all, but I'm not so sure Charon should be named a planet. I mean it's Pluto's moon, but it's not the first time I've heard of Dual Planets. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought our moon was bigger than Charon; does that mean that our moon should also be considered a planet under this new definition?
No, because of the location of the barycenter (center-of-mass). This article will explain: www.space.com/scienceastr...lanet.html
Ah, thanks Forte. Now I know why Charon is going to be called a planet. I don't think our moon shall ever be called a planet then because I don't forsee the universe, let alone earth and the moon, existing in a billion years, at least not in its current form.
So that's why its being called a planet hmmm interesting.
and with the moon being IN it's current state it'll be gone in probably 10 million years or so.
Here is a link to the picture of the line up of planet's
and a little more on the story.
Sadly, this has all NOT come to pass, and Pluto has been demoted to "dwarf planet". Now, we only have 8 "official" planets in our solar system.
However, I read that there's already a movement in the astronomical community to restore Pluto to planethood.
We covered that about two months, yeah. I hadn't heard of a new movement for that, though I should have expected it.